17:00:50 <zbyszek> #startmeeting FESCO (2023-03-07)
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17:00:50 <zbyszek> #meetingname fesco
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17:00:50 <zbyszek> #chair nirik, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, music, mhayden, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor
17:00:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku dcantrell decathorpe mhayden mhroncok music nirik sgallagh zbyszek
17:00:53 <zbyszek> #topic init process
17:01:29 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa
17:01:29 <nirik> morning. I'm here, but also poking at beta rc's, so might be distracted.
17:01:30 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
17:01:40 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard
17:01:42 <zbyszek> .hello2
17:01:42 <mhayden> .hello2
17:01:49 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
17:02:15 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
17:02:18 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <mhayden@redhat.com>
17:02:48 <zbyszek> We have quorum, but let's wait two more minutes.
17:04:07 <zbyszek> OK.
17:04:10 <zbyszek> #topic #2960 FESCo blocker bug: Popular third-party RPMs fail to install/update/remove in F38 due to security policies verification
17:04:13 <zbyszek> .fesco 2960
17:04:14 <zodbot> zbyszek: Issue #2960: FESCo blocker bug: Popular third-party RPMs fail to install/update/remove in F38 due to security policies verification - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2960
17:04:46 <nirik> I thought we decided this one?
17:04:46 <Eighth_Doctor> I have a hard stop in an hour since I have a dental appointment
17:04:49 <zbyszek> I think this one is fine. There are confirmations in the bug that the proposed errata works as advertised.
17:05:01 <nirik> yeah.
17:05:06 <zbyszek> If nobody objects, I'd just move to the next one.
17:05:25 <music[m]> .hello music
17:05:26 <zodbot> music[m]: music 'Benjamin Beasley' <code@musicinmybrain.net>
17:05:35 <mhayden> no objection here
17:05:40 <zbyszek> #info An bodhi update has been submitted and tests indicate it solved the issue.
17:05:44 <zbyszek> #topic #2958 F38 incomplete changes: 100% complete deadline
17:05:46 <zbyszek> Let's go one by one.
17:05:48 <zbyszek> .fesco 2958
17:05:48 <nirik> I think that one can be closed.
17:05:49 <zodbot> zbyszek: Issue #2958: F38 incomplete changes: 100% complete deadline - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2958
17:06:07 <zbyszek> Ah, OK, just closing it works for me too.
17:07:06 <zbyszek> If nobody objects, I'll go to the next topic and close the ticket after the meeting.
17:07:47 <zbyszek> #info The ticket has three items, and they all seem to be on track.
17:07:47 <zbyszek> #topic #2951 Proposal: policy for resubmitting rejected proposals
17:07:48 <zbyszek> .fesco 2951
17:07:49 <zodbot> zbyszek: Issue #2951: Proposal: policy for resubmitting rejected proposals - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2951
17:07:55 <zbyszek> bcotton: the floor is yours
17:08:05 <mhroncok> ack
17:09:01 <nirik> I don't think we came to any consensus last time.
17:09:33 <mhroncok> I think Ben said he's done trying to convince FESCo
17:09:34 <nirik> so perhaps we should just try and do better and drop the formal process?
17:09:56 <zbyszek> Yes.
17:10:36 <zbyszek> Can we approve this decision by a vote, to formally close the issue?
17:11:17 <Eighth_Doctor> yes
17:11:17 <nirik> I have one might slight suggestion...
17:11:23 <zbyszek> Go ahead.
17:12:18 <nirik> could we add a thing to the closed->rejected state in our tracker to remind us that if we want to revive the proposal we should make sure and get community input? I'm not sure if thats possible, but reminding us might be nice.
17:12:21 <nirik> anyhow, that doesn't need to block anything, just a thought.
17:12:53 <mhroncok> a thing?
17:12:56 <zbyszek> I don't think we have a mechanism to this in pagure. But we could add it to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_meeting_process
17:13:03 <nirik> a comment
17:13:07 <nirik> but I am not sure how to automate it
17:13:16 <nirik> yeah.
17:14:25 <zbyszek> #proposal FESCo will make an effort to notify people when proposals are resubmitted for voting without a formal change in the process rules. A note will be added to FESCo_meeting_process.
17:15:10 <nirik> +1
17:15:17 <mhroncok> +1 (I'd still prefer a formal change in the process rules, but this is better than the status quo)
17:15:38 <decathorpe> hello o/ sorry, I'm being moved by a bus and only have spotty Internet connection
17:16:14 <zbyszek> Eighth_Doctor, mhayden, music[m]: ?
17:16:32 <mhayden> +1 -- that sounds fine
17:16:45 <Eighth_Doctor> +1
17:16:46 <decathorpe> (reading back) +1 with the same reservations as mhroncok but oh well
17:16:59 <mhayden> incremental improvements are good! ;)
17:17:41 <zbyszek> #agree FESCo will make an effort to notify people when proposals are resubmitted for voting without a formal change in the process rules. A note will be added to FESCo_meeting_process. (+6,0,0)
17:17:54 <zbyszek> #topic Next week's chair
17:18:01 <music[m]> late +1
17:18:12 * mhayden will be away next week
17:18:15 <zbyszek> #undo
17:18:15 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x7f5be384ac18>
17:18:18 <zbyszek> #undo
17:18:18 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by zbyszek at 17:17:41 : FESCo will make an effort to notify people when proposals are resubmitted for voting without a formal change in the process rules. A note will be added to FESCo_meeting_process. (+6,0,0)
17:18:19 <music[m]> I’m also open to a formal process change.
17:18:25 <zbyszek> #agree FESCo will make an effort to notify people when proposals are resubmitted for voting without a formal change in the process rules. A note will be added to FESCo_meeting_process. (+7,0,0)
17:18:29 <zbyszek> #topic Next week's chair
17:18:58 <zbyszek> OK, I can do it unless volunteers are here.
17:19:14 <zbyszek> I guess not.
17:19:14 <zbyszek> #action zbyszek will chair next meeting
17:19:18 <zbyszek> #topic Open Floor
17:19:32 <zbyszek> I have something, but if anyone want to go first…
17:20:16 <decathorpe> I see the RPM GPG issue was briefly discussed - is there anything I can contribute to the discussion?
17:20:28 <zbyszek> decathorpe: it seems to be in order.
17:20:35 <zbyszek> The update is going through testing.
17:20:45 <zbyszek> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1255
17:21:05 <zbyszek> ^ this is my pull request to effectively make %autorelease+%autochangelog the default recommeneded approach.
17:21:13 <zbyszek> I has seen some comments, but not too much.
17:21:26 <zbyszek> I think it'd be nice for people to check if it looks good.
17:21:39 <zbyszek> I want to start pushing for it to be merged.
17:22:08 <mhroncok> zbyszek: I'll review it tomorrow, unless something more urgent breaks
17:22:18 <zbyszek> #info https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1255
17:22:25 <zbyszek> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Rpmautospec_by_Default
17:22:28 <zbyszek> Thanks mhroncok.
17:22:38 <zbyszek> Anyway, that's it from my side.
17:22:49 <zbyszek> If nobody has anything else, I'll close in a minute.
17:23:00 * mhroncok has nothing
17:23:43 <zbyszek> #endmeeting