<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:02:28
!startmeeting FESCO (2024-09-03)
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:02:31
Meeting started at 2024-09-03 17:02:28 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:02:31
The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2024-09-03)'
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:02:35
!meetingname fesco
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:02:36
The Meeting Name is now fesco
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:02:49
Chairs: @conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @humaton:fedora.im, @zbyszek:fedora.im, @sgallagh:fedora.im, @jistone:fedora.im, @dcantrell:fedora.im, @decathorpe:fedora.im, @salimma:fedora.im
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:03:21
!topic Init Process
<@humaton:fedora.im>
17:03:29
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:03:30
Tomáš Hrčka (humaton) - he / him / his
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:03:34
!hi
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:03:35
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:03:36
David Cantrell (dcantrell) - he / him / his
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:03:37
Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:03:51
morning
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:04:02
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:04:03
Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:04:42
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:04:43
Josh Stone (jistone) - he / him / his
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:05:33
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:05:35
Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:06:24
okay that looks like we have plenty of people to start this
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:07:45
We have one topic really, and hopefully it'll be quick.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:07:52
!topic #3264 Incomplete Changes Report for Fedora Linux 41
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:07:59
!fesco 3264
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:08:01
● **Opened:** a week ago by amoloney
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:08:01
● **Last Updated:** an hour ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:08:01
**fesco #3264** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3264):**Incomplete Changes Report for Fedora Linux 41**
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:08:01
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:08:01
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:08:19
There are two Changes I could identify we needed to follow up on...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:09:15
!topic Taskwarrior 3
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:09:29
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Taskwarrior3
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:09:58
This is by Ankur Sinha (FranciscoD@fedora) (he/him/his)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:10:38
Do we have any new news on it?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:10:43
looking at the status update posted earlier this morning, it seems that things are moving now
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:11:01
the bz comment today: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2304175#c1
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
17:11:12
Yeh, I provided an update on the bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2304175. It's a matter of getting the new rust deps reviewed and packaged
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
17:11:53
Everything other than the final `task` package builds fine in COPR. Just working on that last one now: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/ankursinha/taskwarrior3/monitor/
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:11:53
I'm reasonably comfortable with this going on through to final freeze, I don't think anyone ships taskwarrior on any media
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
17:12:04
Yeh, I provided an update on the bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show\_bug.cgi?id=2304175. It's a matter of getting the new rust deps reviewed and built
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:12:06
obviously sooner the better :)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:12:22
Since this is a self contained, sure, I'd say we give it more time...
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:13:27
same. do we need to vote?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:13:30
Proposal: permit this to land whenever, but it's deferred as a Change if it lands after Final Freeze
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:13:35
+1
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:13:36
+1
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:13:41
+1
<@humaton:fedora.im>
17:13:42
+1
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:13:49
+1
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:13:56
+1
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:15:16
proposed !agreed This is in progress and on-track. As it is self-contained, FESCo permits this to land whenever, but it is deferred as a Change if it lands after Final Freeze.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:15:29
proposed !agreed This is in progress and on-track. As it is self-contained, FESCo permits this to land whenever, but it is deferred as a Change if it lands after Final Freeze. (+7, 0, -0)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:16:00
proposed !agreed This is in progress and on-track. As it is self-contained and not on any deliverable media, FESCo permits this to land whenever, but it is deferred as a Change if it lands after Final Freeze. (+7, 0, -0)
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:16:25
(leading "proposed" getting in the way? also I don't think the logs capture edits, do they?)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:16:54
Conan Kudo: We don't usually do that in FESCo meetings, but sure: Ack.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:16:55
blech, I'm mixing up processes because two parallel meetings
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:17:05
!agreed This is in progress and on-track. As it is self-contained and not on any deliverable media, FESCo permits this to land whenever, but it is deferred as a Change if it lands after Final Freeze. (+7, 0, -0)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:17:43
!topic Switch to dnf5
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:17:50
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SwitchToDnf5
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:18:11
Was this just a matter of an inconsistent tracker ticket?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:18:22
no that was the anaconda ones
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:18:47
I think we wanted them to update the change with whats actually done/implemented. Or at least thats what I wanted. ;)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:18:52
yeah
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:18:58
there have been no status updates at all
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:19:19
ordinarily we'd yank a change for that, but... stuff happened, we just don't know the scope of it
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:20:00
Did we actually ask them for updates? perhaps we could ask more ?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:20:37
(might be folks are on pto or something too)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:20:44
I think we forgot to assign someone to reach out.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:20:59
oops?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:21:28
I think that may have been something I should have done, but by the end of that meeting I needed a nap
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:22:03
yeah, lets try and reach out more? you want to do that now Stephen Gallagher? or would you prefer someone else?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:22:15
I guess I can try if needed...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:22:49
Jaroslav Mracek
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:22:59
he's the team lead for DNF
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:22:59
no
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:23:03
dnf is my team
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:23:06
oh
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:23:08
well then
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:23:11
in case anyone was wondering
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:23:14
congrats?
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:23:28
like 3 years too late, but that's ok
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:23:39
now I know to bug you about things :P
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:23:43
cool. Could you ask for them to update the change then ? probibly be easier for you than others...
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:23:45
sounds like we've reached out now :)
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:23:58
yes, I will ask
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:24:09
I always wondered why no one asked me in meetings about dnf or rpm stuff
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:24:14
even when I'd say that's the team I work on
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:24:20
it's like no one was listening to me
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:24:23
ever
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:24:35
Sometimes it's like we can still hear him...
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:24:39
maybe now we will overcorrect on that
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:24:59
all dnf bugs to dcantrell! :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:25:36
I'm sorry dcantrell, I didn't know. 😦
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:25:58
yeah, it never clicked for me either... sorry.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:26:12
My excuse is that I don't have live updates to the redhat engineering org chart :)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:26:56
OK, shall we move on?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:27:03
yeah, one tick
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:27:21
!action dcantrell will follow up with the DNF team on getting a status update. We will revisit this next week.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:27:25
!action dcantrell to ask the DNF team to update the Change tracker with the latest status
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:27:37
Whoops, sorry for stepping on your toes.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:27:42
no problem
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:27:43
it's fine
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:27:59
OK, David will just have to ask twice :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:28:04
with that, we're done with this topic, so...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:28:09
!topic Next week's chair
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:28:24
I can't do it, I'm going to Akademy :)
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:28:32
oh, this is what those Rust dependencies are for? if I'd known it was for a Change, I'd have prioritized reviewing them ...
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:28:56
oh, would we even have quorum then?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:29:06
we might not
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:29:12
I see three people are out already which leaves us at max 6
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:29:13
if 4 of us are gone, that gets dicey
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:29:26
I'll be around, but I just ran it last week.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:29:37
I'll take it if no one else can, but not happily.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:29:50
for completeness I'm out the next Tue for Plumbers (conf starts Wed but I'll have my team offsite)
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:30:23
I would offer to take it next week but I have a hard stop at 2pm and we are not consistent on meeting end times
<@humaton:fedora.im>
17:30:35
I can take it
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:30:39
dcantrell: 2pm always or just this occasion?
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:30:43
I can take next week
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:30:59
jinx :)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:31:00
Thanks Fabio Valentini
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:31:08
Oh, and jednorozec :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:31:19
so... who wants the chair?
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:31:29
it's every other week for me
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:31:36
ack
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:32:35
it's been a while since I chaired a meeting ... so it would be my "turn" but if jednorozec wants to do it next week I'll take it the week after
<@humaton:fedora.im>
17:32:55
Fabio Valentini: feel free to take it
<@humaton:fedora.im>
17:33:10
I was off line for the past 3 weeks so...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:33:31
!action Fabio Valentini will chair the next meeting
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:33:42
!topic Open Floor
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:33:47
I have two topics for Open Floor and I think Michel Lind 🎩 had one as well.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:34:18
yup
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:34:28
should we do something for https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3265 ?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:34:39
I suspect this might be one of Stephen Gallagher 's topics anyway
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:35:15
Nope
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:35:56
It would be nice to be clear what we want there...
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:36:00
if we want a new change, etc.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:36:29
I think we want a new Change
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:36:40
I'd prefer a new Change
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:36:56
yeah
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:37:03
IMO a Change is advisable, but not *required*
<@humaton:fedora.im>
17:37:04
change would be ideal
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:37:24
especially as infrastructure changes, requirements to do this stuff change too
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:37:36
so having review for it, similar to what we do for retired packages, makes sense
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:37:40
I guess nobody *requires* a new change, just prefer them. maybe we can vote and then tell them the decision then say it's up to them if they still want to reenable without a CP?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:38:37
well, I don't think this has happened before
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:39:02
glad I brought it up then :P
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:39:20
I lean much more toward we should treat it the same as we do retired packages and require a new change and review
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:39:36
Yeah, that's my perspective as well
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:39:54
+1 for new Change Proposal
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:40:49
Proposal: Resuming generation of retired deliverables requires a new Change. For the Phosh request, FESCo would like them to make a Change for Fedora 42 to restart production of the images.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:41:01
+1
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:41:02
sure, seems reasonable
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:41:07
+1
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:41:10
+1
<@humaton:fedora.im>
17:41:14
+1
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:41:45
Fabio Valentini, Michel Lind 🎩: ?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:41:52
+1
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:43:23
I'm going to count Fabio Valentini's earlier +1 for this since I just formally worded what he assented to
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:43:30
+1
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:44:00
!agreed Resuming generation of retired deliverables requires a new Change. For the Phosh request, FESCo would like them to make a Change for Fedora 42 to restart production of the images. (+8, 0, -0)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:44:27
oh oof
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:44:35
forgot to topic this
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:44:41
I have items, but my doorbell just rang. BRB
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:45:03
i know one of stephen's items is a potential stuck blocker for f41, will wait for conan to be done with bureaucracy
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:45:04
!info The above agreed statement is for a request by the Mobility SIG to restart production of Phosh images.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:45:17
!link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3265
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:46:09
alright, now we wait for Stephen :)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:46:45
OK, sorry about that.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:47:02
adamw is correct, there are two potential blocker issues I wanted to bring up.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:47:10
One he agrees with, one he doesn't :)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:47:45
I'll start with the one Adam disagrees with, because I'm petty like that. (And it should be quick)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:48:25
!fesco 3266
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:48:26
**fesco #3266** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3266):**Fedora 41 Beta Blocker: require the updates-testing repository to be active**
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:48:26
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:48:26
● **Last Updated:** an hour ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:48:26
● **Opened:** 5 hours ago by sgallagh
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:48:26
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:49:28
The issue is already approved as an FE, but I raised it as a blocker because I wanted to establish FESCo precedent.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:50:35
This has been Fedora policy as far back as I can remember and I feel like changing it without consideration should be treated as a blocker.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:50:43
i think the commit from f40 branching was copied for f41 branching, and we had the same mistake there
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:50:56
I recognize that the point is bureaucratic at this point, since it's already getting fixed.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:51:10
if you look at f40 history there was 6406e5571fc88424e4c15df18995714b65846deb (initial branch) then b0be9579a9b45a44bc2e30fbd7d5ef4a268f05a2 (you turned on u-t)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:51:34
i just don't think it needs the urgency of fesco jumping in and declaring there must be a criterion and so on
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:51:35
But I don't think we should ship install media where this is wrong, if for no other reason than (I think?) it would impact netinst media.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:51:47
it can go through the normal process, it's fine. i don't think we really need a criterion but i'm willing to be convinced.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:52:17
hum, so, for f40 we accepted this as a blocker by a back door
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:52:19
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2266096
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:52:24
"The bug hinders execution of required Beta test plans or dramatically reduces test coverage".
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:52:30
yay consistency!
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:53:05
yeah, so rather than backdooring the blocker, we should just declare it as such
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:53:13
ah, that was a meeting where i was away, which is why i don't remember it
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:53:14
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/blocker-review_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-02-26/f40-blocker-review.2024-02-26-17.01.log.html
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:53:33
is this generally considered a Beta criterion?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:53:44
Josh Stone: It's not a criterion, it's a tradition.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:53:51
technically this is supposed to be part of branching
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:53:53
That's why it's not a clear blocking issue.
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:53:54
then should we make it so now and forever (not just F41)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:54:09
but it didn't happen correctly twice in a row, which is why we're having this discussion now
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:54:19
i think we can discuss whether to add a criterion in the normal way: propose it on test@ (and discourse, i guess)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:54:36
we don't generally have FESCo Declaring that things must be release criteria, and I don't think the current situation is urgent enough to require it
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:54:44
Right, but for now I want to have us declare it a blocker so that failure to include the fix blocks the release.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:55:06
(So accidental exclusion or incompletely fixing it would force a respin)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:55:17
well, we're going to fix it in like half an hour anyway, but sure, i won't object.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:55:45
also, we need to tell releng to be careful about just copying commits from release to release because then you copy mistakes
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:55:52
i've seen this pattern multiple times
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:55:56
you need to look for follow-up commits
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:56:18
so... we can vote I guess, but let the quality team decide how to improve procedures to make sure the f42 process goes better?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:56:29
adamw: So not only are they copying mistaken commits, but also copying the act of making that mistake? Where will it end!?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:56:42
=)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:56:56
I agree we should do better, but... I don't see how discussing it here does much for that. :)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:57:05
i should also probably write a test for this...anyhow
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
17:57:18
nirik: if you're aware of it, my purpose has been achieved!
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:57:23
Anyhow, the FESCo ticket is at +6, so it just needs one +1 and no -1's to pass FastTrack
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:57:36
well, I already asked jnsamyak about it a while ago.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:57:39
(For treating it as a blocking issue)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:58:09
¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ sure, I can vote +1 if we can move on. ;)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:58:13
We can finish the vote in the ticket and move on
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:58:34
The second issue I'll let adamw explain, as he understands it better. Something to do with graphics rendering.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:00:34
adamw: That was your cue...
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:00:41
oh, sorry
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:00:48
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2282171
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:01:31
this is an accepted blocker. the issue is that resizing windows on Raspberry PI can cause the app to just crash (including maximizing them). there were other issues previously but AIUI those are now resolved.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:03:01
I talked to Matthias Clasen this morning in the Workstation WG meeting... he seemed to be under the impression he was waiting on something from you to move things along
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:03:13
the remaining issue seems to be kinda being passed around between mesa and gtk upstreams and nobody seems to want to commit to fixing it. it's either a bug in gtk when used with the vulkan driver from mesa that's used on pi(?) or a bug in the vulkan renderer. the fix is either to fix the driver in mesa, fix the mesa vulkan renderer to work with that driver's behaviour, or change something somewhere so we use a different gtk renderer (gl or ngl) on the pi.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:03:31
do you know what he was waiting on?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:03:43
no, he didn't say
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:04:06
anyway, i wanted to at least let fesco know this is going on and it's a risk for the release so you can consider appropriate action, if we waited another week we'd be quite tight on the early release target
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:04:33
adamw: Is there a particular course of action that you want to recommend?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:04:54
the only course of action i want to recommend is that somebody commit to fixing the damn thing
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:05:02
😆
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:05:13
Denied. Alternative suggestions? ;-)
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
18:05:14
Yeh, thats them. No worries, i got to them quite late but we should get them all in soon enough :)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:05:21
the upstream issues have gotten kinda confused, fzatlouk is going to file a new upstream gtk issue that clearly explains the remaining problem today
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:05:34
will a mesa issue also get filed?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:05:38
or does one already exist?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:05:51
Stephen Gallagher: yak farm
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:06:01
Conan Kudo: not sure. i'll ask franta.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:07:37
given that all of our render bugs this cycle are rpi related, I'm starting to wonder if we need some udev rules to just tell everything to chill out on the rpi
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:10:45
OK, so we have a blocker here with no clear way forward, yes?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:11:25
Our options as I seem them are:
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:11:25
1) Wait and see if someone fixes them
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:11:25
2) Declare GUI on RPi4[00] non-blocking
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:11:38
3. ???
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:12:04
2. Declare GUI on RPi4\[00\] non-blocking
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:12:04
Our options as I see them are:
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:12:04
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:12:04
1. Wait and see if someone fixes them
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
18:12:22
3) help me be annoying to people until they get sick of it and implement 1)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:12:45
I'm happy to do (3) wherever I can
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:12:56
at least one of the rpi bugs was fixed that way :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:13:55
unfortunately I don't know anyone at the Raspberry Pi Foundation's engineering team... do you? :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:14:24
hmm, I guess I could also ask if someone at SUSE has hit this, since they do most of the RPI upstream work
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:15:03
but SLE for ARM isn't supported with graphics on the RPi...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:15:53
but if it's the vulkan driver, then that's mostly mesa, so a mesa bug would be helpful to go bug people about it
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:15:58
they might know who to talk to anyway
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:16:04
yeah
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:16:07
I can certainly ask for that
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:16:32
I guess the tricky thing is we move much faster than upstream, huh. but all the more reason we ideally have a PoC inside RPi upstream
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:16:54
we need to rekindle a relationship with them, yes
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:17:11
maybe I'll go talk to the Ultramarine folks about it, they have a relationship with them now
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:18:01
should we make that a meeting action? for posterity
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:18:28
since when the notes are posted hopefully someone in the mailing list might be able to help
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:20:12
yeah
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:21:47
!info The Raspberry Pi platform makes up the bulk of our blocker bugs this cycle. The most significant issues are graphics oriented with GTK4 and v3dv not working well together. František Zatloukal is working on filing bug reports with gtk and mesa on this.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:22:23
!action Conan Kudo will try to help adamw find people to look into and assist fixing the various bugs discovered this cycle.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:23:23
I think that's it?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:23:32
Nothing more from me
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:25:00
I've got nothing.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:25:08
Does anyone else have anything?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:25:28
An empty ☕ cup. :) so no...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:26:55
Then, I guess it's time to end it all...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:26:58
!endmeeting