2024-09-10 17:02:11 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !startmeeting FESCo (2024-09-10)
2024-09-10 17:02:13 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-09-10 17:02:11 UTC
2024-09-10 17:02:13 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'FESCo (2024-09-10)'
2024-09-10 17:02:18 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !meetingname fesco
2024-09-10 17:02:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now fesco
2024-09-10 17:02:28 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Chairs: @conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @humaton:fedora.im, @zbyszek:fedora.im, @sgallagh:fedora.im, @jistone:fedora.im, @dcantrell:fedora.im, @decathorpe:fedora.im, @salimma:fedora.im
2024-09-10 17:02:34 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic Init Process
2024-09-10 17:02:59 <@humaton:fedora.im> !hi
2024-09-10 17:03:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Tomáš Hrčka (humaton) - he / him / his
2024-09-10 17:03:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2024-09-10 17:03:23 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !hi
2024-09-10 17:03:23 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2024-09-10 17:03:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek)
2024-09-10 17:03:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2024-09-10 17:05:12 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> we are only 5/9, should we wait for a minute?
2024-09-10 17:06:40 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Yeah, let's give a couple, but I know some people were expecting not to be here this week
2024-09-10 17:07:53 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> While we're waiting, jednorozec any updates on gitforge research?
2024-09-10 17:08:44 <@humaton:fedora.im> Howdy, yes, we sit down with the some of the Quality team members last week to look again at their requirements.
2024-09-10 17:09:13 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I saw that some more items were added in the ticket…
2024-09-10 17:09:21 <@humaton:fedora.im> I need to validate this but it seems that we have a nogo feature for gitlab CE, that is gitlabCE does not support dependencies between tickets
2024-09-10 17:09:53 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Does forgejo?
2024-09-10 17:09:57 <@humaton:fedora.im> yes
2024-09-10 17:10:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ok, I'd say let's start. it's :10 now
2024-09-10 17:10:33 <@humaton:fedora.im> I am currently writing script to get package data from pagure/BZ into gitlab/forgejo
2024-09-10 17:10:42 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Cool, thanks for the update.
2024-09-10 17:10:53 <@humaton:fedora.im> If you have any interesting packages that have edge cases or are edge cases on their own please share
2024-09-10 17:11:07 <@humaton:fedora.im> I am importing grub2,kernel,glibc so far
2024-09-10 17:11:15 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic #3264 Incomplete Changes Report for Fedora Linux 41
2024-09-10 17:11:22 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !fesco 3264
2024-09-10 17:11:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3264** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3264):**Incomplete Changes Report for Fedora Linux 41**
2024-09-10 17:11:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-09-10 17:11:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 2 weeks ago by amoloney
2024-09-10 17:11:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 23 hours ago
2024-09-10 17:11:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-09-10 17:12:02 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I kind of lost track of which changes we still need to talk about, does anybody have a list? :)
2024-09-10 17:12:24 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Taskwarrior 3
2024-09-10 17:12:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> 
2024-09-10 17:12:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     Owner: @ankursinha
2024-09-10 17:12:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     Tracker Bug: #2304175
2024-09-10 17:12:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     Status: ASSIGNED
2024-09-10 17:12:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Taskwarrior 3
2024-09-10 17:12:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> 
2024-09-10 17:12:46 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I'm doing some package reviews as time permits
2024-09-10 17:13:14 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> So it's "all good"?
2024-09-10 17:13:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think we said since this was self contained we would allow it to land after beta...
2024-09-10 17:13:34 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> IIRC yes
2024-09-10 17:13:48 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info Reviews for TaskWarrior 3 are in progress. The package can land after Beta.
2024-09-10 17:14:05 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Switch to dnf5
2024-09-10 17:14:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     Tracker Bug: #2274810
2024-09-10 17:14:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> 
2024-09-10 17:14:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     Status: POST
2024-09-10 17:14:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     Owner: @jkolarik @jmracek
2024-09-10 17:14:29 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> It's ON_QA now actually.
2024-09-10 17:14:45 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ah, now I see https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3264#comment-929545
2024-09-10 17:14:55 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > We've decided to postpone the dnf5daemon GNOME Software plugin delivery to the next Fedora version and now plan to release it during the Fedora 42 Rawhide cycle.
2024-09-10 17:15:01 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > I am moving this to ON_QA, as the work for Fedora 41 is considered complete.
2024-09-10 17:15:36 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> so ... what does this mean for gnome-software? keep using PackageKit + libdnf 4?
2024-09-10 17:16:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I mean, landing this stuff so late in the cycle would've been hairy anyway, so I don't complain about moving it to F42
2024-09-10 17:17:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, it would keep using dnf4...
2024-09-10 17:18:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> the only problem there would be history mismatch... ;(
2024-09-10 17:18:14 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> And also duplicate caches, no?
2024-09-10 17:19:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure, but that's probibly much less of a real issue to users.
2024-09-10 17:19:20 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> This is not pretty… but not much we can do.
2024-09-10 17:19:40 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> separate histories / installreasons is going to be bad for debuggability
2024-09-10 17:20:15 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info dnf5daemon was postponed to F42. Gnome-software will continue to use PackageKit + libdnf4. Tracker bug is ON_QA.
2024-09-10 17:20:37 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I don't think it's bad enough to move dnf5 to f42 entirely though
2024-09-10 17:20:49 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> so -ENOTHINGTODO?
2024-09-10 17:21:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Yeah, let's leave it as is.
2024-09-10 17:21:49 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic  IPU6 Camera Support 
2024-09-10 17:21:56 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> 
2024-09-10 17:21:56 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPU6_Camera_support
2024-09-10 17:21:56 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 17:20:38)
2024-09-10 17:21:56 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     INFO: Ticket is in MODIFIED state. (@zbyszek:fedora.im, 17:20:52)
2024-09-10 17:21:56 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     INFO: Change is feature complete, but with some open bugs.
2024-09-10 17:21:56 <@zbyszek:fedora.im>     (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 17:22:13)
2024-09-10 17:21:56 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> 
2024-09-10 17:22:04 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> The state here is the same.
2024-09-10 17:22:10 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I suggest we do nothing.
2024-09-10 17:22:59 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah.
2024-09-10 17:23:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> of course updates on what bugs/etc to the change would be good before final
2024-09-10 17:23:51 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info Change is feature complete, but with some open bugs.
2024-09-10 17:24:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon
2024-09-10 17:24:19 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 17:46:03)
2024-09-10 17:24:19 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> ACTION: Conan Kudo to handle filing a blocker BZ for this Change
2024-09-10 17:24:19 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 17:59:34)
2024-09-10 17:24:19 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> AGREED: This Change blocks Beta for Fedora 41. (+6, 0, -0)
2024-09-10 17:24:19 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/TunedAsTheDefaultPowerProfileManagementDaemon
2024-09-10 17:24:33 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> It seems mostly done, but there's some integration work missing.
2024-09-10 17:25:07 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2293628#c5 says that the new daemon is not enabled on updates.
2024-09-10 17:25:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think we can sort that after beta probibly...
2024-09-10 17:26:41 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ironically, it looks like some of the "missing" features of p-p-d compared to tuned are now present in latest p-p-d? 😅
2024-09-10 17:27:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, seems like upstream work has continued...
2024-09-10 17:28:31 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Anyway…  -ENOTHINGTODO?
2024-09-10 17:28:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> looks like it (at least for now)
2024-09-10 17:29:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, fix the upgrade thing, but otherwise...
2024-09-10 17:29:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info The change seems mostly done, but there's some integration work missing. We'll revisit after Beta.
2024-09-10 17:29:59 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I think that's everything.
2024-09-10 17:30:27 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini: back to you
2024-09-10 17:30:51 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher: do you remember which things you wanted to follow up on? 
2024-09-10 17:30:51 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3264#comment-930969
2024-09-10 17:31:05 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Just the DNF5 one as far as I remember
2024-09-10 17:31:17 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ok, and that one seems to be resolved
2024-09-10 17:31:28 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> so we're good with reviewing incomplete changes?
2024-09-10 17:32:06 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> good, moving on
2024-09-10 17:32:15 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic #3266 Fedora 41 Beta Blocker: require the updates-testing repository
2024-09-10 17:32:21 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !fesco 3266
2024-09-10 17:32:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 2 hours ago
2024-09-10 17:32:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a week ago by sgallagh
2024-09-10 17:32:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-09-10 17:32:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3266** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3266):**Fedora 41 Beta Blocker: require the updates-testing repository to be active**
2024-09-10 17:32:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-09-10 17:32:48 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I think this is mostly resolved now for F41. does anybody want to to the work to make this an "normal" beta blocker?
2024-09-10 17:32:54 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> This is academic at this point.
2024-09-10 17:33:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think if anyone wants to make it a blocker, they could use the normal process for that.
2024-09-10 17:33:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ie, propose it be added, discuss, vote, add to process.
2024-09-10 17:33:33 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> If this somehow regresses before Go/No-Go, I'll be mad, but otherwise I guess we can just move on.
2024-09-10 17:33:36 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> nirik: yes, that's what I was asking about. :)
2024-09-10 17:33:39 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> nirik: It came FROM the normal process
2024-09-10 17:33:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> not that process.
2024-09-10 17:33:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> the process to amend the things that are blockers...
2024-09-10 17:33:58 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> There's no criterion for it, but I considered it pretty critical, so i brought it to FESCo
2024-09-10 17:34:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sorry, release critera I mean
2024-09-10 17:34:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> right, but if someone wants to make it a part of the critera moving forward, they can try and do so
2024-09-10 17:36:13 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Right
2024-09-10 17:36:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> as a side note we talked about this in releng side of things and decided we would like to just enable it at branching...
2024-09-10 17:36:25 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> proposal: The addition of the criterion via FESCo is rejected. People are encouraged to follow the normal process to update Release Criteria with the requirement if desired.
2024-09-10 17:36:27 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I plan to do that once I find one of these "round tuits" I keep hearing about
2024-09-10 17:36:46 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ok, proposal: The request to designate enablement-by-default of the updates-testing repo in F41 Beta as a FESCo blocker is rejected. Interested parties are however welcome to add a criterion for Beta releases for it through the normal process.
2024-09-10 17:36:52 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> oops, sorry zbyszek 
2024-09-10 17:37:17 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, I think Fabio's version is word-better-smithed. I withdraw mine.
2024-09-10 17:37:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure, +1 to either.
2024-09-10 17:37:23 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1 to Fabio
2024-09-10 17:37:24 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposals have to be made in the positive voice or it's ambiguous what happens if it fails.
2024-09-10 17:37:42 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Please just vote -1 on my proposal in the ticket in that case.
2024-09-10 17:37:55 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Since the outcome there is "it's not made a blocker"
2024-09-10 17:38:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher: your vote-counting rules are giving me headaches every time
2024-09-10 17:38:25 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I withdraw my proposal then
2024-09-10 17:38:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposals have to change the default state. Yours asserts that nothing happens.
2024-09-10 17:38:45 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> But it also gives guidance…
2024-09-10 17:38:56 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> my proposal is to reject your open request. it *does* change something ...
2024-09-10 17:39:15 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Fine, how about I just withdraw it and we get on with our lives?
2024-09-10 17:39:24 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> That also works.
2024-09-10 17:39:32 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
2024-09-10 17:39:38 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> OK, I formally withdraw my proposal.
2024-09-10 17:40:23 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !info The request to designate active state of updates-testing repo in F41 Beta as a FESCo blocker is withdrawn.
2024-09-10 17:40:35 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> moving on?
2024-09-10 17:41:06 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic #3267 wolfssl imported to Fedora after skipping MUST policy requirements for new crypto libraries
2024-09-10 17:41:13 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !fesco 3267
2024-09-10 17:41:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-09-10 17:41:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 2 hours ago
2024-09-10 17:41:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-09-10 17:41:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3267** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3267):**wolfssl imported to Fedora after skipping MUST policy requirements for new crypto libraries**
2024-09-10 17:41:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 6 days ago by decathorpe
2024-09-10 17:41:45 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher posted a proposal in the ticket, but nobody voted on it, AFAICT
2024-09-10 17:41:48 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> (sorry for sounding grouchy; I've got three fires burning around me at the same moment)
2024-09-10 17:41:57 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > WolfSSL is immediately retired from Fedora. The maintainers may file a new package review request when WolfSSL respects the crypto system policy. This review request must be presented to the FPC, who must approve it before it is added back to the repositories.
2024-09-10 17:41:57 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I voted +1 in the ticket to Stephen Gallagher's proposal:
2024-09-10 17:42:16 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ah, that was after I last looked that the ticket, sorry
2024-09-10 17:42:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I don't really want to cast a vote on this, since I filed the ticket
2024-09-10 17:42:58 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Then we cannot approve it, because we're at 5.
2024-09-10 17:43:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-09-10 17:43:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-09-10 17:43:24 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Interesting timing.
2024-09-10 17:43:28 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: Your timing is impeccable
2024-09-10 17:43:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Is the maintainer not willing to do those things?
2024-09-10 17:44:05 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> nirik: Upstream is not
2024-09-10 17:44:16 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> The maintainer is willing, but it's certainly not a trivial process.
2024-09-10 17:44:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 to the proposal
2024-09-10 17:44:31 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> there's an open feature request for wolfssl upstream. but it will certainly take time to make this happen (if at all)
2024-09-10 17:44:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, fair. +1 to proposal
2024-09-10 17:45:06 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> (somebody signed me up for their zendesk instance without my knowledge, so ... I was CCd on it)
2024-09-10 17:45:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I support removal of the package now, because we don't want other packages to grow dependencies on it in the meantime. It took us a long time to arrive at the point where we have configurable crypto policies… Let's not go back.
2024-09-10 17:45:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Oof
2024-09-10 17:46:04 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> So, I count +4 so far.
2024-09-10 17:46:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I just got back to my hotel from Akademy today
2024-09-10 17:46:32 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini: Why does bringing the ticket forward prevent you from voting?
2024-09-10 17:46:47 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> it doesn't, but I don't want to appear biased here
2024-09-10 17:47:12 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> but if it comes down to "we don't have enough votes" (+4, 0, -0) then I'll be +1 too I guess just to make it move
2024-09-10 17:47:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> is jednorozec still with us?
2024-09-10 17:48:18 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> looks like no
2024-09-10 17:48:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1 to Stephen Gallagher 's proposal then.
2024-09-10 17:49:26 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Well, Conan Kudo could ease your conscience, if he agrees
2024-09-10 17:49:36 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> that makes it approved if I count correctly?
2024-09-10 17:49:55 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ⬆️
2024-09-10 17:50:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Oh, I might have missed that
2024-09-10 17:50:37 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Right, I miscounted. OK we are at +5 now.
2024-09-10 17:50:40 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !agreed WolfSSL is immediately retired from Fedora. The maintainers may file a new package review request when WolfSSL respects the crypto system policy. This review request must be presented to the FPC, who must approve it before it is added back to the repositories. (+5, 0, -0)
2024-09-10 17:51:01 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Hmm,
2024-09-10 17:51:10 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> who's the fifth person?
2024-09-10 17:51:51 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Me
2024-09-10 17:51:55 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Did Stephen Gallagher vote?
2024-09-10 17:52:09 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I made the proposal, so implicit +1
2024-09-10 17:52:32 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Oh, OK. Apologies.
2024-09-10 17:52:37 <@humaton:fedora.im> sorry my connection dropped
2024-09-10 17:52:47 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I assume that this means we need releng help for retiring the package from stable branches?
2024-09-10 17:53:18 <@humaton:fedora.im> i can do that 
2024-09-10 17:53:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, or any provenpackager.
2024-09-10 17:53:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thanks jednorozec
2024-09-10 17:53:40 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> welp, I didn't know that.
2024-09-10 17:54:02 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> well, I think that's it for this topic, thanks
2024-09-10 17:54:06 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-09-10 17:54:19 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> or, rather
2024-09-10 17:54:27 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic Next Week's Chair
2024-09-10 17:55:07 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I'll be at LPC next week. I might miss the meeting.
2024-09-10 17:55:21 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Lead Pipe Conference?
2024-09-10 17:55:42 <@humaton:fedora.im> yup lead plummers are meeting in vienna
2024-09-10 17:56:04 <@humaton:fedora.im> yup lead plumbers are meeting in Vienna
2024-09-10 17:56:36 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Various *lead*ing topics will be discussed.
2024-09-10 17:56:44 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I've not done it in a while I guess I can...
2024-09-10 17:56:44 <@humaton:fedora.im> I will be most probably traveling between brno and home 
2024-09-10 17:57:14 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> nirik: thank you
2024-09-10 17:57:30 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> if nobody is here, feel free to cancel the meeting instead of being alone :)
2024-09-10 17:57:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !action nirik to chair next week's meeting
2024-09-10 17:57:46 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> now really:
2024-09-10 17:57:49 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-09-10 17:59:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> if anyone has thoughts on https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12152 feel free to add them to the ticket (basically bootc work and when/if it should have an approved change before being in official registries, etc)
2024-09-10 17:59:52 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I think a change proposal makes sense
2024-09-10 18:00:18 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> if only for better visibility of stuff that's added to Fedora infra
2024-09-10 18:01:50 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> anything else? otherwise I'll throw you all out in 2 minutes
2024-09-10 18:02:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I agree on a Change proposal
2024-09-10 18:02:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Yep, that'd be nice.
2024-09-10 18:03:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm personally not in favor of images being produced outside of fedora infra that is designated as "official" though
2024-09-10 18:04:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> frankly I'd vote down a Change that implies or explicitly states that
2024-09-10 18:04:47 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic Create fedora/fedora-netboot repo on quay.io
2024-09-10 18:04:53 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12152
2024-09-10 18:05:23 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I'm not sure we have enough people still here to make a formal vote
2024-09-10 18:05:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> but general sentiment here seems to be in favor of making a change proposal?
2024-09-10 18:05:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not sure I meant this to be a topic... especially since folks here haven't had time to read the entire thing I suspect?
2024-09-10 18:06:06 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> nirik: no !undo, I'm afraid
2024-09-10 18:06:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> reading this ticket further, I think I also disagree with adamw that `fedora-testing` in quay.io is fine... because it sounds like official test artifacts
2024-09-10 18:06:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> no worries...
2024-09-10 18:06:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> feel free to bikeshed a name!
2024-09-10 18:06:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> fedora-experimental ?
2024-09-10 18:06:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> let's have a Change document be required for the whole bikeshed
2024-09-10 18:06:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> fedora-eatsyourbabies ?
2024-09-10 18:06:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> fedbootc-exp
2024-09-10 18:07:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> wel, we do need a testing thing too... but yes, experemental could be different too.
2024-09-10 18:07:42 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> in my head it sounds like "bootsie"
2024-09-10 18:07:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's apparently on purpose
2024-09-10 18:07:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or a way to tag things appropriately.
2024-09-10 18:08:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but I haven't had any time to ponder much on it.
2024-09-10 18:08:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> at least based on what I heard at devconf.us anyway
2024-09-10 18:08:35 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Proposal: FESCo would like to see a Change Proposal for better visibility of the change and to invite public discussion.
2024-09-10 18:09:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2024-09-10 18:09:07 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1
2024-09-10 18:09:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure I guess that sounds reasonable.
2024-09-10 18:09:15 <@humaton:fedora.im> +1
2024-09-10 18:09:25 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1 (explicit)
2024-09-10 18:10:13 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> looks like we lost sgallagh in one of the fires he's been fighting
2024-09-10 18:10:42 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> nirik: explicit vote?
2024-09-10 18:10:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we have +5 by my count
2024-09-10 18:11:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1 to the proposal. +1 to end this meeting.
2024-09-10 18:11:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> further suggestion: designate someone to keep an eye on anything else this maintainer is doing?
2024-09-10 18:11:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> nirik: me too.
2024-09-10 18:11:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> me three :P
2024-09-10 18:11:42 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !agreed FESCo would like to see a Change Proposal for better visibility of the change and to invite public discussion. (+5, 0, -0)
2024-09-10 18:11:45 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I fourth this message.
2024-09-10 18:11:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yikes, sorry, that message got backed up from forever ago somehow. matrix!
2024-09-10 18:11:57 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> adamw: anything in particular that we should keep an eye on?
2024-09-10 18:12:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> old message, it was about the wolfssl thing
2024-09-10 18:12:15 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> oh, yeah
2024-09-10 18:12:21 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> phew
2024-09-10 18:12:33 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> adamw: we'll just assume you fell asleep for a short spell
2024-09-10 18:12:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-09-10 18:12:41 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> anything else?
2024-09-10 18:13:03 <@humaton:fedora.im> just update that wolfssl is retired 
2024-09-10 18:13:22 <@humaton:fedora.im> oh forgot to do the epel branches so not fully
2024-09-10 18:13:47 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> thanks!
2024-09-10 18:13:56 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 3️⃣
2024-09-10 18:14:04 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 2️⃣
2024-09-10 18:14:12 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 1️⃣
2024-09-10 18:14:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 💥
2024-09-10 18:14:30 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !endmeeting