2024-10-22 17:00:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !startmeeting FESCO (2024-10-22)
2024-10-22 17:00:56 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-10-22 17:00:53 UTC
2024-10-22 17:00:56 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2024-10-22)'
2024-10-22 17:01:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !meetingname fesco
2024-10-22 17:01:06 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-22 17:01:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
2024-10-22 17:01:07 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now fesco
2024-10-22 17:01:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Chairs: @conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @humaton:fedora.im, @zbyszek:fedora.im, @sgallagh:fedora.im, @jistone:fedora.im, @dcantrell:fedora.im, @decathorpe:fedora.im, @salimma:fedora.im
2024-10-22 17:01:13 <@jistone:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-22 17:01:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Josh Stone (jistone) - he / him / his
2024-10-22 17:01:15 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-22 17:01:16 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-22 17:01:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2024-10-22 17:01:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jiří Konečný (jkonecny)
2024-10-22 17:01:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Init Process
2024-10-22 17:01:21 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-22 17:01:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> David Cantrell (dcantrell) - he / him / his
2024-10-22 17:01:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-10-22 17:01:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-10-22 17:01:42 <@humaton:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-22 17:01:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Tomáš Hrčka (humaton) - he / him / his
2024-10-22 17:01:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> hey folks... we have only one topic today, but it's kind of a doozy
2024-10-22 17:01:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2024-10-22 17:02:01 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-22 17:02:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek)
2024-10-22 17:02:03 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> do we need to discuss or can we still punt?
2024-10-22 17:02:18 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Did anything change from the previous meeting?
2024-10-22 17:02:46 <@jistone:fedora.im> I think we just didn't clear the meeting label last time
2024-10-22 17:02:52 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Evening 😀
2024-10-22 17:03:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't think anything has actually changed in a week
2024-10-22 17:03:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Yeah, I thought we agreeed to wait
2024-10-22 17:03:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so if we want to punt and this time I'll erase the meeting tag, I'm fine with that :)
2024-10-22 17:03:35 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Fine with me. Nothing to share so far
2024-10-22 17:03:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> alright, let me do some smithing here for the minutes
2024-10-22 17:03:53 <@farribeiro:matrix.org> !hi
2024-10-22 17:03:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fábio Ribeiro (farribeiro) - he / him / his
2024-10-22 17:03:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic #3272 Change: Anaconda Web UI partitioning
2024-10-22 17:04:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !fesco 3272
2024-10-22 17:04:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-10-22 17:04:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 6 minutes ago
2024-10-22 17:04:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3272** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3272):**Change: Anaconda Web UI partitioning**
2024-10-22 17:04:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 4 weeks ago by amoloney
2024-10-22 17:04:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** jkonecny
2024-10-22 17:04:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> We're punting until after the new year, I think?
2024-10-22 17:05:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't think much progess is going to happen for the remainder of the year 
2024-10-22 17:05:13 <@jistone:fedora.im> new year, new fesco, ...
2024-10-22 17:05:38 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Reminder from last week: AGREED: Wait for the Anaconda team to deliver missing functionality and finish blog post / video describing current state. Then have this discussion again.
2024-10-22 17:05:43 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, it needs to be before the deadline.
2024-10-22 17:05:44 <@trix:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-22 17:05:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Tom Rix (trix)
2024-10-22 17:06:02 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> I'll ping you on the issue if there will be some new info to discuss 
2024-10-22 17:06:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> okay, then I'll just put what zbyszek just posted and we'll see how things go
2024-10-22 17:06:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !agreed We will still wait for the Anaconda team to deliver missing functionality and finish blog post / video describing current state. Then we will have this discussion again. This time, this will be recorded in the ticket. :)
2024-10-22 17:06:57 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I don't think we should say anything. The issue was just not processed correctly after the last meeting.
2024-10-22 17:07:13 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Please remind me, when is the deadline for decision?
2024-10-22 17:07:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> this is consider a system-wide change, but without infra, right?
2024-10-22 17:07:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> with infra
2024-10-22 17:07:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it affects QA and other things
2024-10-22 17:07:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-42/f-42-key-tasks.html
2024-10-22 17:08:00 <@salimma:fedora.im> then Dec 18
2024-10-22 17:08:14 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Ok
2024-10-22 17:08:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so a week before 🎄
2024-10-22 17:08:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info We expect to discuss this again before the week of December 18.
2024-10-22 17:09:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> wait, that's just the submission deadline
2024-10-22 17:09:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not the actual change deadline
2024-10-22 17:09:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but that's fine for us, that way we know things going into the new year
2024-10-22 17:09:55 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh, yeah, sorry. two different things. submit by dec 18, but we need to vote to accept the change soon afterwards right?
2024-10-22 17:10:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Next week's chair
2024-10-22 17:10:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> completion is Feb 4
2024-10-22 17:10:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> for testing
2024-10-22 17:10:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2024-10-22 17:10:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but it's fine, I think Dec 18 is fairly reasonable to know what things are going to look like
2024-10-22 17:10:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and we can figure it out when we get there
2024-10-22 17:10:49 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> I think it should be fine
2024-10-22 17:10:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anyway... I would offer to be next week's chair, except I can't
2024-10-22 17:11:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I will be on an airplane that day
2024-10-22 17:11:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and the week after is election day, so probably not for me then either
2024-10-22 17:12:14 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I can do it.
2024-10-22 17:12:18 <@jistone:fedora.im> I can do next week
2024-10-22 17:12:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well then, who wants to duke it out for that :P
2024-10-22 17:12:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't have the ability to do no-reason early voting or I would have
2024-10-22 17:13:13 <@jistone:fedora.im> I haven't done it in a while, but I'm happy to yield too
2024-10-22 17:13:26 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, then I can do it the week after.
2024-10-22 17:13:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> sigh... :(
2024-10-22 17:13:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !action Josh Stone will do next week. zbyszek will do the week after.
2024-10-22 17:14:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> meanwhile here we get offered to sign up to permanently vote by mail if we want (and I think in WA everyone votes by mail)
2024-10-22 17:14:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-10-22 17:14:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> WA and WY I think
2024-10-22 17:14:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I know WY does
2024-10-22 17:14:33 <@jistone:fedora.im> OR is mail only too
2024-10-22 17:15:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> makes sense, the three western states are often aligned
2024-10-22 17:15:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I've never lived anywhere with freely accessible mail in voting :(
2024-10-22 17:15:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> every state I lived in requires in person unless incapable of getting there
2024-10-22 17:16:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> move to IL or WA :)
2024-10-22 17:16:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I wouldn't mind IL :)
2024-10-22 17:16:57 <@salimma:fedora.im> though that makes meetings with EU harder
2024-10-22 17:17:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> WA is too depressing
2024-10-22 17:17:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so much rain and gray
2024-10-22 17:18:41 <@humaton:fedora.im> hmm
2024-10-22 17:19:08 <@humaton:fedora.im> If I was going to migrate to north america BC would be my first choice and WA second
2024-10-22 17:19:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, personally I like WA weather too, for those coming in from UK or central Europe it should be fine (milder winter too)
2024-10-22 17:20:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> my favorite locations to visit this year were all cooler than the midwest
2024-10-22 17:21:14 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> is EU a state or "*the* EU"?
2024-10-22 17:21:34 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I don't know all 2LAs by heart 
2024-10-22 17:21:52 <@humaton:fedora.im> and I know that I will retire somewhere on the river Ucayali
2024-10-22 17:21:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> between BC and WA, I'd take WA, but my mood is tied somewhat to the weather and so I like sunnier weather patterns
2024-10-22 17:22:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> where I live in CT, I have reasonably mild winters
2024-10-22 17:22:41 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> what's fun in the United States is the postal service has a different list of 2 letter state abbreviations than the Coast Guard does.  postal service calls Mississippi MS, but the Coast Guard calls Massachusetts MS
2024-10-22 17:22:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and not too crazy summer heat
2024-10-22 17:22:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> wait what?
2024-10-22 17:23:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I didn't know the USCG used a different list
2024-10-22 17:23:28 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> the USCG list predates the postal list and naturally there was no coordination
2024-10-22 17:23:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> I guess the EU. my fingers are lazy this morning
2024-10-22 17:23:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> of course not :D
2024-10-22 17:23:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that would be sensible
2024-10-22 17:23:44 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_and_territory_abbreviations
2024-10-22 17:24:04 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> there is some overlap
2024-10-22 17:24:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> that reminds me of an unrelated incident where I was confused why my Pixel phone was stuck in Ontario, CA 3 years ago
2024-10-22 17:24:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> it turns out to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario%2C_California
2024-10-22 17:24:54 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> indeed
2024-10-22 17:24:57 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> there's an airport there
2024-10-22 17:25:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> my phone used to jump to Norwalk, CA too
2024-10-22 17:25:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's just like. well okay I guess
2024-10-22 17:25:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not that I wouldn't mind living there if I could afford it, but...
2024-10-22 17:26:02 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I don't like the phone tracking me, so I don't go for the detailed location resolution.  I just have my phone set to Earth
2024-10-22 17:26:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nah this was whenever I tried to use uber on my old phone
2024-10-22 17:26:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it would randomly select Norwalk CA
2024-10-22 17:26:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anyway...
2024-10-22 17:27:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we're done here, and this random sidealong is just dragging out this meeting
2024-10-22 17:27:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so...
2024-10-22 17:27:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !endmeeting