#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:00:24

!startmeeting FESCO (2025-08-26)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

17:00:26

Meeting started at 2025-08-26 17:00:24 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

17:00:26

The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2025-08-26)'

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:00:28

!meetingname fesco

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

17:00:29

The Meeting Name is now fesco

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:00:32

!group members fesco

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:00:35

Members of fesco: David Cantrell, Fabio Valentini, Fabio Alessandro Locati, Tomáš Hrčka, Kevin Fenzi, Matthew Miller, ngompa (@conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @pharaoh_atem:opensuse.org, @ngompa:kde.org, @ngompa:almalinux.im), salimma (@michel-slm:matrix.org, @salimma:fedora.im), Stephen Gallagher, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:00:36

!topic Init Process

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:00:37

morning

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:00:43

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:00:44

Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his

<@fale:fale.io>

17:00:46

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:00:48

Fabio Alessandro Locati (fale) - he / him / his

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:01:32

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:01:32

Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:03:58

Not looking great for quorum

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:04:15

And it's not a great day not to have quorum.

<@fale:fale.io>

17:04:21

only one to go :D

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:04:30

clone(3)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:07:38

I'll leave it open another couple minutes, but it's not looking like we'll make quorum today.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:08:59

I'll send out an email asking folks to review the Incomplete Changes in the tickets.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:09:31

I'm not sure how to handle the mandb issue though

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:10:05

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:10:07

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@fale:fale.io>

17:10:23

seems like we have the quorum :)

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:10:31

Nice

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:11:05

Conan Kudo saves the day. ;)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:11:28

!topic #3462 Change: Man-DB cache directory change

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:11:31

.fesco 3462

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:11:38

!fesco 3462

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:11:39

● **Opened:** 3 weeks ago by amoloney

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:11:39

● **Assignee:** ljavorsk

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:11:39

● **Last Updated:** 5 days ago

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:11:39

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:11:39

**fesco #3462** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3462):**Change: Man-DB cache directory change**

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:11:57

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:11:58

Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:12:02

sorry, lost track of time for a bit

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:12:26

I don't think this change makes any sense

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:12:39

the more we discuss it, the more I think it's just wrong

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:13:09

I'm with Conan Kudo here. At minimum, this proposal needs time to bake and for them to figure out what exactly they're going to do.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:13:27

it also seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of how things work

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:13:47

I know there's at least some "running out the clock" that was our (FESCo's) fault, but they just don't seem to have a clear picture of how this is going to work and we're at Beta Freeze

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:14:17

there was also the misfiling of the discussion that made it slip past our radars

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:14:30

Proposal: Reject this Change for Fedora 43

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:14:41

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:14:45

(Rejected without prejudice, so they can try again for F44)

<@fale:fale.io>

17:14:47

the part that leaves me a little concerned, is that it seems like this cache is not really utilized

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:15:02

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:15:10

well, it's a cache for auxiliary tools, not man itself

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:15:25

like search index tools

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:15:38

Yeah, I think the the details here really need to be figured out by the change owners. Things like this should be changed when there is an understanding of the low-level details, without trying to guess.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:15:46

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:15:49

<@fale:fale.io>

17:15:49

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:16:17

OK, I count +6 to reject

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:16:35

!agreed Proposal is rejected for F43 (+6, 0, -0)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:16:47

(And yes, I'm aware I broke my own rule about negative proposals)

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:17:07

We won't not forgive that.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:17:50

#topic F43 Incomplete Changes

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:18:04

This is always a fun one every cycle.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:18:43

this is what makes our meetings run long :P

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:18:53

Shall we just start going through them one by one?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:19:00

yep.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:19:24

!topic 389 Directory Server 3.2.0

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:19:45

This has not landed

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:19:47

No work done. Suggestion: postpone or cancel.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:19:54

they say it's done in the bug

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:19:59

Not "no work done", but not landed.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:20:41

I don't see it, but the change owner says it was done.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:20:51

Ah, sorry, I pasted my note from a different chagne.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:20:54

Oof, I think this maintainer may be confused

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:21:09

Yeah, this one is ON_QA

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:21:09

I don't see 389-ds-base 3.2.0 in rawhide?

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:21:47

I think they pushed the packaging to dist-git and didn't build

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:22:11

Actually, no. It's not there either.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:22:27

I think someone goofed. I'll reach out to that team.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:22:29

it's not upstream either

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:22:35

But at this point, shall we reject?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:22:39

I wonder if someone forgot to tag a release

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:22:44

let's give them one more work

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:22:47

let's give them one more week

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:22:51

I'd say wait and see what they say

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:23:13

We can do that, but I know personally how much this can break landing it late.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:23:20

FreeIPA is tightly coupled with it

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:23:26

yep

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:23:33

it's probably worth reaching out to both teams

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:24:06

clearly they thought it was landed tho, so it's unclear how close it really is...

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:24:19

* Mon Aug 11 2025 Viktor Ashirov <vashirov@redhat.com> - 3.1.3-7

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:24:19

- Rebuild for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/389_Directory_Server_3.2.0

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:24:28

...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:24:33

someone is deeply confused

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:24:39

That's from the changelog of 389-ds-base-3.1.3-9.fc44.x86_64.rpm

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:25:11

yeah, so perhaps they backported the db change somehow? dunno

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:25:14

Yeah, something is wildly out of sync

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:25:27

I don't think we should spend lots of time discussing it. :)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:25:32

Agred.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:25:46

!info Change does not appear to have been implemented.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:25:57

!action sgallagh to reach out to 389 and FreeIPA teams for info

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:26:25

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Spins by default

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:26:43

I'm pretty sure this is done?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:27:00

I was shepherding PRs about this in fedora-kiwi-descriptions and reviewing upstream PRs about it too

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:27:03

I think it's done yeah

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:27:19

but not 100% sure.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:27:35

I know the web UI is broken for fedora derivatives

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:27:47

but it should be in place for everything but fedora server now

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:28:21

Is the Server exclusion intentional? (I'm out of the loop right now)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:28:25

yes

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:28:31

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:28:31

there is no package selection UI yet

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:29:08

so server and netinst won't have it, but everything else should

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:29:10

!info This is believed to be complete, but the ticket needs updating. FESCo will reach out to the change owner

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:29:33

I've already pinged kkoukiou in another channel about it

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:29:51

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Automated onboarding to Packit release automation for new packages

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:30:04

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutomatedPackitOnboarding

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:30:04

The correct link to change page:

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:30:12

No prs, no packit config.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:30:12

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/rust-glycin-common

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:30:12

last approved review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2390166

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:30:22

So I don't think this is implemented.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:30:37

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2389199

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:30:37

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-pytest-recording

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:30:37

Same.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:30:41

Yeah, I think the Packit team got railroaded into Something Else this summer.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:30:52

At this point, we'll be switching to a new forge. Ask Owners how they see this in the new world?

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:31:09

I think we just reject it for F43 and let them figure out how to re-propose

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:31:10

I think they were already taking that into account...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:31:14

but yeah.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:31:21

drop from f43

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:31:30

Proposal: Drop from F43

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:31:41

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:31:44

negative again?

<@fale:fale.io>

17:31:45

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:31:49

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:32:01

Stephen Gallagher is just negative today. ;)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:32:01

Fabio Valentini: No, because this time it's a change to the current plan. :)

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:32:09

No, we're updating status quo which is that the change is accepted.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:32:13

Fabio Valentini: If we do nothing, it remains in

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:32:23

see, this is why it's confusing

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:32:25

anyway +1

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:32:57

!agreed Dropped from Fedora 43 (+5, 0, -0)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:33:11

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Build Fedora CoreOS using Containerfile

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:33:17

> we're a little behind schedule, but we're still actively working on this and targeting f43. It might slip the Beta freeze deadline but I think on the CoreOS side (which this change only affects), we're OK with doing the change in f43 after that.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:33:25

Coreos trails a bit, so this should be OK to let be for now.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:33:45

!bz 2386893

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:33:49

not great that CoreOS is still only losely attached to Fedora but meh

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:33:54

OK, guess that doesn't work

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:34:00

!bug

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:34:02

bug_id argument is required. e.g. `!bug 1234567`

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:34:17

!bug 2386893

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:34:19

RHBZ#2386893 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2386893): [Changes Tracking]: Build Fedora CoreOS using Containerfile

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:34:46

I'm fine leaving it to try and complete...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:35:01

give them a week, if they don't have it, defer to f44

<@fale:fale.io>

17:35:22

I'm +1 on waiting a little, but with a limit

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:35:23

coreos also has more channels of testing...

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:36:02

Proposal: Accept it so long as it's in production in time for the F43 Beta Go/No-Go decision. Otherwise it is deferred to F44.

<@fale:fale.io>

17:36:11

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:36:36

oof, wait

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:36:41

when _is_ that?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:36:47

If we vote "no" on the go/no-go, do they get more time?

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:37:06

!link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-key-tasks.html

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:37:12

I don't really want to give them that much wiggle room

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:37:13

proposal: leave it in for now, revisit if it looks to not be landing in a timely mannger

<@fale:fale.io>

17:37:20

2025-09-11

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:37:24

nirik: +1

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:37:30

zbyszek: Oops, I meant to write "the first scheduled Go/No-Go meeting" and didn't

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:37:43

so they would have three weeks?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:37:45

(I like this more than Stephen's proposal, which seems a bit too strict.)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:37:45

I deleted and rewrote it and lost that nuance

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:38:38

I would like to nudge the FCOS people to follow more closely the mainline Fedora schedule

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:38:50

nirik: -1 (I think we should be a bit more clear than that about their available time)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:39:01

so I'm not necessarily willing to give them three weeks for this

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:39:17

I think three weeks is fair.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:39:36

considering they don't follow infra freeze, I don't think so

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:39:43

It's unclear from the bug how much more time they want...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:39:45

if they did, I would agree with you

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:40:12

Conan Kudo: Are you proposing a different extension? No extension?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:40:32

I'm proposing one week to two weeks max

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:40:52

I don't know that they change their infra during freeze? or ?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:41:06

which is within the realm of wiggle room we give other people

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:41:27

and I feel is particularly generous since their infrastructure doesn't go through freezes like everyone else does

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:42:03

IIRC, they don't do change freezes, things change as PRs land in their repository dynamically

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:43:13

Meh, if we want to give a strict deadline, then I think Stephens proposal is better. It's enough time to do some serious work, but also we'll be busy with the freeze anyway, so we don't need this earlier.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:43:41

So I change my vote to +1 to Stephen Gallagher's proposal (with the clarification that it's the first go/no-go).

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:43:48

👋

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:43:51

Right, I'll rephrase that

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:44:26

Proposal: Accept it so long as it's in production in time for the first F43 Beta Go/No-Go decision on 2025-09-11. Otherwise it is deferred to F44.

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:44:40

hi all - reading back some of the context

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:44:43

Hey dustymabe. thoughts?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:45:32

what does "in production" mean in the FCOS context?

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:46:04

Conan Kudo: That this is what is coming out of their official compose infra

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:46:55

well, I mean, does that mean published so it available as a testable artifact?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:47:12

FCOS has a much looser setup because of the release train

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:47:18

so I don't know what "in production" should translate to

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:47:27

hey all. I can give an update

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:47:55

basically we've moved over `rawhide` to building from container, but are ironing out a few kinks before enabling it for F43

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:48:03

Conan Kudo: It needs to be producing testable content, yes

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:48:24

can it be done by this time next week?

<@fale:fale.io>

17:48:36

@dustymabe what's your expected timeline?

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:49:47

Fale: we're actively working on it. Basically the part that isn't working right now is some of the way we "lock" rpms. It's working for x86_64 but not for the other architectures. @jlebon is working on a patch for it

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:49:55

I expect to have the main issues resolved by the end of this week

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:50:32

+1 to Stephen's proposal

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:50:58

<@fale:fale.io>

17:51:09

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:51:20

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:51:47

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:52:06

+1 to this specifically

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:52:35

!agreed Accept it so long as it's in production in time for the first F43 Beta Go/No-Go decision on 2025-09-11. Otherwise it is deferred to F44. (+5, 0, -0)

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:53:00

Thanks dustymabe

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:53:01

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: CMake 4.0

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:53:13

> Would probably need to push this to F44 since it would still require quite a few PRs to be created. I will try to automate push a bunch of PRs, but it would be too much pain to make beta freeze exceptions for each package, so better to push it back to F44 instead.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:53:16

nirik: Sorry, we have a lot to get through today :-/

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:53:28

no problem

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:53:30

Proposal: Reassign to f44.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:53:36

+1 to proposal

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:53:37

zbyszek: +1

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:53:50

<@fale:fale.io>

17:54:10

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:54:31

!agreed Reassign to F44 (+5, 0, -0)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:54:46

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: CMake: Use ninja generator by default

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:54:55

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:55:03

(Same comment as in the previous one.)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:55:04

same?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:55:09

Proposal: Reassign to f44

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:55:15

<@fale:fale.io>

17:55:16

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:55:19

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:55:27

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:55:28

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:55:52

!agreed Reassign to F44 (+5, 0, -0)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:55:58

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:56:01

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Compress the initrd with zstd by default

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:56:13

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/dracut/pull-request/85 merged yesterday for rawhide and today for f43

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:56:18

(as an aside, I am uncomfortable with the number of cmake changes in a single fedora release)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:56:39

yeah, this one should be done.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:56:40

!info Change was moved to ON_QA

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:56:56

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Confidential Virtualization Host for Intel TDX

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:56:58

at least this way there is more time for prep work and PRs so hopefully the impact will be smaller once the changes land

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:56:59

it's already in F43: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2025-0daf9a23ee

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:57:05

!bug 2376123

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:57:07

RHBZ#2376123 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2376123): [Changes Tracking]: Confidential Virtualization Host for Intel TDX

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:57:21

> the key gap is the kernel support for KEXEC+TDX compat

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:57:56

"It should be viable to backport the changes to 6.16 in Fedora 43 as a short-term solution, to make this feature complete."

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:58:11

I don't see https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/8/14/76 merged?

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:58:48

I don't think back porting non-upstream kernel patches is a viable solution

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:58:48

Given that this is pretty niche, I'm open to just giving them more time to work on it.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:59:12

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

17:59:18

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:59:19

yeah meh

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:59:24

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

17:59:29

What proposal are we voting on?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:59:42

giving them more time

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:59:53

but yeah backporting non-upstream stuff is probably not viable

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

17:59:54

yeah, giving more time

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:00:03

OK, let me rephrase that for a vote

<@fale:fale.io>

18:00:04

is it a week more time or an undefined amount of itme?

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:00:25

Proposal: FESCo will permit this to land after Beta Freeze but before GA Freeze.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:00:49

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:00:50

can you use Final Freeze wording instead?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:00:53

that's what we call it

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:01:01

but otherwise +1

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:01:01

Proposal: FESCo will permit this to land after Beta Freeze but must land before GA Freeze.

<@fale:fale.io>

18:01:06

Final Freeze = 2025-10-07

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:01:14

Proposal: FESCo will permit this to land after Beta Freeze but must land before Final Freeze.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:01:18

Conan Kudo: Amended

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:01:19

+1 also

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:01:30

<@fale:fale.io>

18:01:33

+1\

<@fale:fale.io>

18:01:38

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:01:57

!agreed FESCo will permit this to land after Beta Freeze but must land before Final Freeze. (+6, 0, -0)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:02:10

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Deprecate The Gold Linker

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:02:15

'dnf repoquery --provides binutils-gold' → deprecated()

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:02:17

!bug 2360106

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:02:18

RHBZ#2360106 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2360106): [Changes Tracking]: Deprecate The Gold Linker

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:02:27

I marked it as ON_QA.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:02:29

So this is done but the ticket isn't updated, I guess?

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:02:33

Thanks

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:02:42

it's deprecated. and got removed too for a day 😅

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:02:51

!info This is landed and the ticket has now been moved to ON_QA

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:03:11

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Deprecate YASM

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:03:20

!bug 2388199

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:03:21

RHBZ#2388199 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2388199): [Changes Tracking]: Deprecate YASM

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:03:27

all pull requests for packages merged, except thunderbird which seems FTBFS for unrelated reasons

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:03:31

it's also marked as ON_QA

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:03:44

!info Ticket has been moved to ON_QA

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:03:59

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Disablement of STI tests

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:04:06

!bug 2346261

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:04:07

RHBZ#2346261 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2346261): [Changes Tracking]: Disablement of STI tests

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:04:10

This is also as ON_QA

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:04:23

I saw many PRs for this fly by.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:04:25

hurray

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:04:30

!info Ticket has been moved to ON_QA

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:04:56

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: DNF/RPM Copy on Write enablement for all variants

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:05:02

!bug 1915976

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:05:04

RHBZ#1915976 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1915976): [Changes Tracking]: DNF/RPM Copy on Write enablement for all variants

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:05:23

> when we'd be ready to move forward with this, we'd want them to formally re-approve it, as it's been so long. I agree that it probably makes sense to withdraw this Change, and we'll refile it down the road once we have a better story around upstreaming.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:05:31

Proposal: the change is dropped. Owners are welcome to resubmit when ready.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:05:43

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:06:13

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:06:35

yeah this one is old enough that going through the process again makes sense

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:06:55

<@fale:fale.io>

18:06:59

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:07:15

!agreed the change is dropped. Owners are welcome to resubmit when ready. (+5, 0, -0)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:07:30

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Dropping of cert.pem file

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:07:35

!bug 2360110

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:07:37

RHBZ#2360110 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2360110): [Changes Tracking]: Dropping of cert.pem file

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:07:39

> Ok, let's postpone to f44, so there is more time for readjustment.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:07:51

A revert was requested, not sure if it is already implemented.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:07:59

this seems to be a rather painful change

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:08:10

I thought it was done?

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:08:10

Yeah, this one bit a lot of people.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:08:23

nirik: It landed, but it broke a lot of stuff and now they are reverting

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:08:40

(in f43)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:08:42

ok.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:08:44

Proposal: Allow them to land the revert during Beta Freeze

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:08:51

<@fale:fale.io>

18:08:54

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:08:57

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:09:01

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:09:14

is this safe?

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:09:25

haven't a lot of packages already been adapted?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:09:32

yes, but thats fine...

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:09:34

!agreed Allow them to land the revert during Beta Freeze (+5, 0, -0)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:09:41

it will just fix the ones still broken

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:09:41

reverting is safe since it has no negative impact on existing stuff

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:10:06

Fabio Valentini: It shouldn't affect the ones that migrated

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:10:43

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Enable auto-updates by default in Fedora Kinoite

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:10:49

!bug 2233192

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:10:50

RHBZ#2233192 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2233192): [Changes Tracking]: Enable auto-updates by default in Fedora Kinoite

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:11:12

I don't think this is done?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:11:21

The comments in the bug made it seem like this isn't done… but not sure.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:11:42

Oh hey, we just passed the second anniversary for this one.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:12:10

I only see the revert...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:12:17

(from the last attempt)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:13:34

travier: you don't happen to be around do you?

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:14:06

In order to keep moving, shall we just defer the decision today?

<@fale:fale.io>

18:14:16

+1 to next week

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:14:25

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:14:27

We've got plenty more to get through

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:14:33

+1 to punt

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:14:36

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:14:56

!info Lacking sufficient information, we're deferring this decision to next week

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:15:08

!topic F43 Incomplete Change: Erlang 27

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:15:12

koji builds for erlang (https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1681) do not show 27.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:15:20

!bug 2383282

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:15:22

RHBZ#2383282 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2383282): [Changes Tracking]: Erlang 27

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:15:41

Do we want to give them some more time?

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:15:41

This doesn't look done

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:16:39

Proposal: Drop this Change from F43. It can be resubmitted in F44.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:17:00

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:17:02

<@fale:fale.io>

18:17:08

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:17:24

is any erlang stuff preinstalled anywhere?

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:17:34

Fabio Valentini: Not to my knowledge

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:17:53

I would be fine with giving them a bit more time then. but also +1 to defer

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:18:24

I'm fine with giving them time

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:18:34

there's no erlang preloaded in any fedora variant

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:18:38

I'd be too, weakly.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:18:39

My appliance delivery just showed up. I will follow as best I can via phone for the next little while, but I need someone else to take over Chair please.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:18:49

(not sure we need to reject and need them to resubmit)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:19:09

I'd be ok with more time as well... but unclear what the state is. we could punt and ask?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:19:20

Oh yeah, dropping and resubmitting is unnecessary.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:19:33

Yeah, +1 to punting.

<@fale:fale.io>

18:19:35

+1 on punt and ask before moving to F44

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:19:37

I can take over the chair.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:20:06

Sure, +1 punt

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:20:30

Fabio Valentini: ok to punt?

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:20:44

sure, +1

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:20:50

ok to punt +1

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:21:11

!agreed Lacking sufficient information, we're deferring this decision to next week (+6, 0, 0)

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:21:18

!topic GNU Toolchain Update (gcc 15.2, binutils 2.45, glibc 2.42, gdb 17.1)

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:21:28

All done. I marked it as ON_QA.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:21:41

!info The ticket is marked as ON_QA.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:22:02

!topic Hardlink identical files in packages by default

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:22:02

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:22:02

Moved to f44 by owner (me).

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:22:23

!topic Hare Programming Language

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:22:37

This is not done, but I think it can happen asynchronously until final release.

<@fale:fale.io>

18:22:58

I think we can wait beta go/no-go meeting

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:23:20

Or even later. Those packages are not going to be on any image, just in the repo.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:24:02

it's pretty self contained, but the later it is, the less pre release testing it would get.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:24:07

yeah it's meh

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:24:09

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:24:23

but until final freeze seems possible...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:24:53

the guidelines are also still pending.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:24:55

I think we need a formal proposal to have clarity.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:25:12

Proposal: the change can land before the final freeze.

<@fale:fale.io>

18:25:18

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:25:19

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:25:23

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:25:42

Conan Kudo: ?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:25:48

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:25:56

!agreed the change can land before the final freeze (+5, 0, 0)

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:26:06

Stephen Gallagher: do you want the chair back?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:26:19

!topic LLVM 21

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

18:26:22

No, I’m on phone

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:26:37

Late, but that was planned. I think we should just wait for now.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:26:40

we know LLVM is always late

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:26:45

llvm is always late. yeah.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:26:48

so yeah, just wait

<@fale:fale.io>

18:26:53

+1 on waiting

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:27:00

OK, I don't think we need a vote.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:27:00

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:27:15

"Our plan is to push 21.1.0 into Fedora 43 during the Beta Freeze with a Beta Freeze exception. "

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:27:17

!info The late delivery of this change was planned, so we're waiting fornow.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:27:32

why do I feel like we just only got LLVM 20 a month ago? ...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:27:48

time 🪰s

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:27:54

Time flies faster in the summer.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:28:05

!topic mkosi-initrd

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:28:15

Owner (me) moved the change to f44.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:28:21

!info The change has been moved to f44.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:28:30

!topic Modernize Live Media

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:28:35

> Please defer this to F44.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:28:46

!info The owner requested the change to be moved to f44.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:28:57

!topic Package builds are expected to be reproducible

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:29:04

I need to discuss this with other change owners. A bunch of work was done, but we probably will need to move this to f44.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:29:28

Are we fine with waiting for now? It's mostly asynchronous anywya.

<@fale:fale.io>

18:29:37

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:29:42

sure, but would be good to sort out soon for f43

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:30:02

I mean ... they are *already* expected to be reproducible, it's just more aspirational still :D

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:30:48

!info Change owners will discuss how to handle this and FESCo can revisit next week.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:30:57

!topic PostgreSQL 18

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:31:03

Doesn't seem to be done.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:31:11

oh? seems to be in to me?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:31:37

I looked at the package list, and I saw some older versions, 17 at max.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:31:40

Link?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:31:54

!link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/postgresql18

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:03

it's postgresql18

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:18

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=42162

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:32:29

'dnf list postgresql18' shows nothing.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:37

on f43? or ?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:50

it's tagged.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:53

I see it in rawhide

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:33:00

the default version is suffixless

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:33:20

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/postgresql18/blob/f43/f/postgresql18.spec#_99

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:33:39

Ah, OK. So yeah, this seems to be done.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:33:51

yeah

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:34:15

!bug 2386892

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:34:17

RHBZ#2386892 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2386892): [Changes Tracking]: PostgreSQL 18

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:34:49

I marked it as ON_QA now.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:35:00

!info The package is marked ON_QA now.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:35:14

!topic Remove DNF modularity support from Anaconda

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:35:24

!info This is marked as ON_QA already.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:35:32

!topic Remove Python Mock Usage

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:35:45

Proposal: move to f44.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:35:45

fedrq reports 9 binary and 42 source packages.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:36:11

(fedrq reports 9 binary and 42 source packages requiring python3-mock.)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:36:30

Yeah, +1 to move to f44

<@fale:fale.io>

18:37:07

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:37:26

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:37:28

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:37:43

Stephen Gallagher?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:38:30

!agreed Change is moved to f44 (+5, 0, 0)

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:38:44

!topic Retire gtk3-rs, gtk-rs-core v0.18, and gtk4-rs v0.7

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:38:52

!info This is marked as ON_QA already.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:38:58

yup, this is done ...

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:39:01

!topic Stop publishing updates to OSTree repository for CoreOS

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:39:06

> This was completed in https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-pipeline/pull/1195

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:39:40

!bug 2376121

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:39:42

RHBZ#2376121 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2376121): [Changes Tracking]: Stop publishing updates to OSTree repository for CoreOS

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:40:06

this would have to be reverted if they don't get the containerfile thing done, no?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:41:11

not sure.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:41:25

dustymabe: still around?

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

18:41:40

yes

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

18:42:10

No.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:42:44

If it's all good, can you mark the bug as ON_QA?

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

18:43:01

In F42 we switched the default to pulling from quay for updates and migrated systems over to it.

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

18:43:01

We've been publishing our builds as container images for a long time in quay.

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

18:43:01

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

18:43:17

So we shouldn't need it any more for F43

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

18:43:52

the build-via-container thing is really mostly an internal build tooling change

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

18:44:15

i.e. how we build the container.. do we build it via `rpm-ostree compose` or do we build it via `podman build`

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

18:44:35

Will do.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:45:02

!info This is done and will be marked as ON_QA.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:45:13

Thanks.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:45:15

!topic Switch Anaconda installer to DNF5

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:45:26

I think this is done...

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:45:51

I didn't look at this one or later changes in the list, so please help out.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:46:29

rpm -q anaconda-core --requires | grep dnf

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:46:29

python3-libdnf5 >= 5.2.15.0-1

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:46:43

but not sure thats everything.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:47:17

punt and revist next week to be sure?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:47:55

yeah

<@fale:fale.io>

18:48:07

makes sense

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:48:57

!info Repoquery suggest that this is done, but lacking sufficient confirmation, we're deferring this decision to next week

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:49:08

!topic TBB2022.2.0

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:49:13

on qa now

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:49:23

!info Change is ON_QA now.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:49:29

!topic Tomcat 10.1.x

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:49:36

The change owner closed this one.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:49:43

!bug 2309206

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:49:44

RHBZ#2309206 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2309206): [Changes Tracking]: Tomcat 10.1.x

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:49:46

but we should probibly re-open and put on qa?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:49:47

uhh wut?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:49:50

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:49:52

yeah

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:51:01

!info The bug was CLOSED, but we reopened it to ON_QA to track the change.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:51:43

I see nirik typing…

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:51:54

was just clicking around to see something in another channel

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:52:01

!topic Unification of boot loader updates, phase 1

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:52:16

!bug 2342224

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:52:18

RHBZ#2342224 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2342224): [Changes Tracking]: Unification of boot loader updates, phase 1

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:52:23

unclear here. either revisit next week or just move to f44?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

18:52:30

My sentiment as well.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:53:08

we should revisit this one next week

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:53:30

!info Lacking sufficient information, we'll revisit this next week.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:53:45

We also have the MODIFIED.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:53:51

I assume we need to look at those too.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:54:04

!topic KTLS implementation for GnuTLS

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:54:15

!bug 213000

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:54:16

RHBZ#213000 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/213000): [kernel]: USB Serial adapter fails

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:54:32

they want to postpone it.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:55:04

> We have to postpone it, there are still some test failing...

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:55:20

Proposal: postpone to f44

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:55:44

Or maybe we don't need to vote on this?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:55:50

Yeha.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:56:02

!info Owners requested the change to be postponed to f44.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

18:56:12

how many times has this been postponed now?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:56:28

yeah, several, so perhaps we should ask them to repropose when they are actually ready

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:56:39

There's slow but constant progress, so I think this might get done.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:57:08

OK, so if somebody want to make a proposal, please do.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:57:20

I would be fine with just letting it slide one more release.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:57:20

we can just push it to f44 I guess then...

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:57:34

OK, so let's vote on this.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:57:41

Proposal: postpone to f44

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:57:46

<@fale:fale.io>

18:57:51

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:58:06

We'll see in a moment.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:58:12

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:58:14

Fabio Valentini?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:58:25

Stephen Gallagher?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:59:44

Element shows that Stephen hasn't seen the last few pages of messages.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

18:59:50

So I think we lost quorum.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:00:08

Let's move to open floor.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:00:37

!info We lost quorum and cannot make any formal decisions. The remaining topics will be discussed asynchronously or next week.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:00:43

!topic Open floor

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

19:00:45

im here

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:01:02

Can you ack the last proposal?

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

19:01:09

+1 to the last one

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:01:34

!topic KTLS implementation for GnuTLS

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:01:45

!agreed The change is moved to f44 (+5, 0, 0)

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:01:58

!topic Protobuf 5.x/6.x

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

19:02:21

it's unclear here if its done or partly done or what. Probibly need more info

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:03:15

!info We'll revisit this next week. Not enough info.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

19:03:25

I don't think anything has happened here

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:03:30

!topic Use COLR for Noto Color Emoji

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:03:40

!bug 2371125

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:03:41

RHBZ#2371125 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2371125): [Changes Tracking]: Use COLR for Noto Color Emoji

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

19:03:52

this is on_qa

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:04:07

!info Change is ON_QA.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:04:18

!topic Open floor

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

19:04:48

next weeks chair?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:05:24

A fuck.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:05:30

!topic Next weeks chair?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:05:55

Not everybody at once!

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:06:25

I guess I can do it. I only did half this week.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:06:32

!action zbyszek will chair the next meeting

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:06:35

!topic Open floor

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:06:52

If anyone has something, but briefly please.

<@mschorm:fedora.im>

19:07:42

so we know what standard we want to use and can continue to work on accordingly

<@mschorm:fedora.im>

19:07:42

Just a heads-up:

<@mschorm:fedora.im>

19:07:42

Opinions welcome on: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1475

<@mschorm:fedora.im>

19:07:42

Answer in ticket, IMO no need to discuss it broadly here.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:08:06

!link https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1475

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:08:14

Ack.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:08:17

Anything else?

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:09:03

Oh, it's my proposal. Please go and read it.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:09:36

OK, I'll close the meeting.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:09:43

Thanks everyone for persevering.

<@zbyszek:fedora.im>

19:09:46

!endmeeting