2025-08-26 17:00:24 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !startmeeting FESCO (2025-08-26)
2025-08-26 17:00:26 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-08-26 17:00:24 UTC
2025-08-26 17:00:26 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2025-08-26)'
2025-08-26 17:00:28 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !meetingname fesco
2025-08-26 17:00:29 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now fesco
2025-08-26 17:00:32 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !group members fesco
2025-08-26 17:00:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Members of fesco: David Cantrell, Fabio Valentini, Fabio Alessandro Locati, Tomáš Hrčka, Kevin Fenzi, Matthew Miller, ngompa (@conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @pharaoh_atem:opensuse.org, @ngompa:kde.org, @ngompa:almalinux.im), salimma (@michel-slm:matrix.org, @salimma:fedora.im), Stephen Gallagher, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
2025-08-26 17:00:36 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic Init Process
2025-08-26 17:00:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-08-26 17:00:43 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2025-08-26 17:00:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2025-08-26 17:00:46 <@fale:fale.io> !hi
2025-08-26 17:00:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Alessandro Locati (fale) - he / him / his
2025-08-26 17:01:32 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !hi
2025-08-26 17:01:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek)
2025-08-26 17:03:58 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Not looking great for quorum
2025-08-26 17:04:15 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> And it's not a great day not to have quorum.
2025-08-26 17:04:21 <@fale:fale.io> only one to go :D
2025-08-26 17:04:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> clone(3)
2025-08-26 17:07:38 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I'll leave it open another couple minutes, but it's not looking like we'll make quorum today.
2025-08-26 17:08:59 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I'll send out an email asking folks to review the Incomplete Changes in the tickets.
2025-08-26 17:09:31 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I'm not sure how to handle the mandb issue though
2025-08-26 17:10:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-08-26 17:10:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-08-26 17:10:23 <@fale:fale.io> seems like we have the quorum :)
2025-08-26 17:10:31 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Nice
2025-08-26 17:11:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Conan Kudo saves the day. ;)
2025-08-26 17:11:28 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic  #3462 Change: Man-DB cache directory change
2025-08-26 17:11:31 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> .fesco 3462
2025-08-26 17:11:38 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !fesco 3462
2025-08-26 17:11:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 3 weeks ago by amoloney
2025-08-26 17:11:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** ljavorsk
2025-08-26 17:11:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 5 days ago
2025-08-26 17:11:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-08-26 17:11:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3462** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3462):**Change: Man-DB cache directory change**
2025-08-26 17:11:57 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi
2025-08-26 17:11:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
2025-08-26 17:12:02 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> sorry, lost track of time for a bit
2025-08-26 17:12:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't think this change makes any sense
2025-08-26 17:12:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the more we discuss it, the more I think it's just wrong
2025-08-26 17:13:09 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I'm with Conan Kudo here. At minimum, this proposal needs time to bake and for them to figure out what exactly they're going to do.
2025-08-26 17:13:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it also seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of how things work
2025-08-26 17:13:47 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I know there's at least some "running out the clock" that was our (FESCo's) fault, but they just don't seem to have a clear picture of how this is going to work and we're at Beta Freeze
2025-08-26 17:14:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there was also the misfiling of the discussion that made it slip past our radars
2025-08-26 17:14:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: Reject this Change for Fedora 43
2025-08-26 17:14:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-08-26 17:14:45 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> (Rejected without prejudice, so they can try again for F44)
2025-08-26 17:14:47 <@fale:fale.io> the part that leaves me a little concerned, is that it seems like this cache is not really utilized
2025-08-26 17:15:02 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 17:15:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, it's a cache for auxiliary tools, not man itself
2025-08-26 17:15:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> like search index tools
2025-08-26 17:15:38 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Yeah, I think the the details here really need to be figured out by the change owners. Things like this should be changed when there is an understanding of the low-level details, without trying to guess.
2025-08-26 17:15:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-08-26 17:15:49 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 17:15:49 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 17:16:17 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> OK, I count +6 to reject
2025-08-26 17:16:35 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !agreed Proposal is rejected for F43 (+6, 0, -0)
2025-08-26 17:16:47 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> (And yes, I'm aware I broke my own rule about negative proposals)
2025-08-26 17:17:07 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> We won't not forgive that.
2025-08-26 17:17:50 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> #topic F43 Incomplete Changes
2025-08-26 17:18:04 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> This is always a fun one every cycle.
2025-08-26 17:18:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this is what makes our meetings run long :P
2025-08-26 17:18:53 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Shall we just start going through them one by one?
2025-08-26 17:19:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yep.
2025-08-26 17:19:24 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic 389 Directory Server 3.2.0
2025-08-26 17:19:45 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> This has not landed
2025-08-26 17:19:47 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> No work done. Suggestion: postpone or cancel.
2025-08-26 17:19:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> they say it's done in the bug
2025-08-26 17:19:59 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Not "no work done", but not landed.
2025-08-26 17:20:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't see it, but the change owner says it was done.
2025-08-26 17:20:51 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Ah, sorry, I pasted my note from a different chagne.
2025-08-26 17:20:54 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Oof, I think this maintainer may be confused
2025-08-26 17:21:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Yeah, this one is ON_QA
2025-08-26 17:21:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't see 389-ds-base 3.2.0 in rawhide?
2025-08-26 17:21:47 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think they pushed the packaging to dist-git and didn't build
2025-08-26 17:22:11 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Actually, no. It's not there either.
2025-08-26 17:22:27 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think someone goofed. I'll reach out to that team.
2025-08-26 17:22:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's not upstream either
2025-08-26 17:22:35 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> But at this point, shall we reject?
2025-08-26 17:22:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I wonder if someone forgot to tag a release
2025-08-26 17:22:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> let's give them one more work
2025-08-26 17:22:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> let's give them one more week
2025-08-26 17:22:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'd say wait and see what they say
2025-08-26 17:23:13 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> We can do that, but I know personally how much this can break landing it late.
2025-08-26 17:23:20 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> FreeIPA is tightly coupled with it
2025-08-26 17:23:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yep
2025-08-26 17:23:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's probably worth reaching out to both teams
2025-08-26 17:24:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> clearly they thought it was landed tho, so it's unclear how close it really is...
2025-08-26 17:24:19 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> * Mon Aug 11 2025 Viktor Ashirov <vashirov@redhat.com> - 3.1.3-7
2025-08-26 17:24:19 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> - Rebuild for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/389_Directory_Server_3.2.0
2025-08-26 17:24:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ...
2025-08-26 17:24:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> someone is deeply confused
2025-08-26 17:24:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> That's from the changelog of 389-ds-base-3.1.3-9.fc44.x86_64.rpm
2025-08-26 17:25:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, so perhaps they backported the db change somehow? dunno
2025-08-26 17:25:14 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Yeah, something is wildly out of sync
2025-08-26 17:25:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't think we should spend lots of time discussing it. :)
2025-08-26 17:25:32 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Agred.
2025-08-26 17:25:46 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !info Change does not appear to have been implemented.
2025-08-26 17:25:57 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !action sgallagh to reach out to 389 and FreeIPA teams for info
2025-08-26 17:26:25 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Spins by default
2025-08-26 17:26:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm pretty sure this is done?
2025-08-26 17:27:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I was shepherding PRs about this in fedora-kiwi-descriptions and reviewing upstream PRs about it too
2025-08-26 17:27:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think it's done yeah
2025-08-26 17:27:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but not 100% sure.
2025-08-26 17:27:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I know the web UI is broken for fedora derivatives
2025-08-26 17:27:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but it should be in place for everything but fedora server now
2025-08-26 17:28:21 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Is the Server exclusion intentional? (I'm out of the loop right now)
2025-08-26 17:28:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-08-26 17:28:31 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> OK
2025-08-26 17:28:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there is no package selection UI yet
2025-08-26 17:29:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so server and netinst won't have it, but everything else should
2025-08-26 17:29:10 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !info This is believed to be complete, but the ticket needs updating. FESCo will reach out to the change owner
2025-08-26 17:29:33 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I've already pinged kkoukiou in another channel about it
2025-08-26 17:29:51 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Automated onboarding to Packit release automation for new packages
2025-08-26 17:30:04 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutomatedPackitOnboarding
2025-08-26 17:30:04 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> The correct link to change page:
2025-08-26 17:30:12 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> No prs, no packit config.
2025-08-26 17:30:12 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/rust-glycin-common
2025-08-26 17:30:12 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> last approved review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2390166
2025-08-26 17:30:22 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> So I don't think this is implemented.
2025-08-26 17:30:37 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2389199
2025-08-26 17:30:37 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-pytest-recording
2025-08-26 17:30:37 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Same.
2025-08-26 17:30:41 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Yeah, I think the Packit team got railroaded into Something Else this summer.
2025-08-26 17:30:52 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> At this point, we'll be switching to a new forge. Ask Owners how they see this in the new world?
2025-08-26 17:31:09 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think we just reject it for F43 and let them figure out how to re-propose
2025-08-26 17:31:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think they were already taking that into account...
2025-08-26 17:31:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but yeah.
2025-08-26 17:31:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> drop from f43
2025-08-26 17:31:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: Drop from F43
2025-08-26 17:31:41 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 17:31:44 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> negative again?
2025-08-26 17:31:45 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 17:31:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-08-26 17:32:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Stephen Gallagher is just negative today. ;)
2025-08-26 17:32:01 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini: No, because this time it's a change to the current plan. :)
2025-08-26 17:32:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> No, we're updating status quo which is that the change is accepted.
2025-08-26 17:32:13 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini: If we do nothing, it remains in
2025-08-26 17:32:23 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> see, this is why it's confusing
2025-08-26 17:32:25 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> anyway +1
2025-08-26 17:32:57 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !agreed Dropped from Fedora 43 (+5, 0, -0)
2025-08-26 17:33:11 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Build Fedora CoreOS using Containerfile
2025-08-26 17:33:17 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > we're a little behind schedule, but we're still actively working on this and targeting f43. It might slip the Beta freeze deadline but I think on the CoreOS side (which this change only affects), we're OK with doing the change in f43 after that.
2025-08-26 17:33:25 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Coreos trails a bit, so this should be OK to let be for now.
2025-08-26 17:33:45 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !bz 2386893
2025-08-26 17:33:49 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> not great that CoreOS is still only losely attached to Fedora but meh
2025-08-26 17:33:54 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> OK, guess that doesn't work
2025-08-26 17:34:00 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !bug
2025-08-26 17:34:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> bug_id argument is required. e.g. `!bug 1234567`
2025-08-26 17:34:17 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !bug 2386893
2025-08-26 17:34:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2386893 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2386893): [Changes Tracking]: Build Fedora CoreOS using Containerfile
2025-08-26 17:34:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm fine leaving it to try and complete...
2025-08-26 17:35:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> give them a week, if they don't have it, defer to f44
2025-08-26 17:35:22 <@fale:fale.io> I'm +1 on waiting a little, but with a limit
2025-08-26 17:35:23 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> coreos also has more channels of testing...
2025-08-26 17:36:02 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: Accept it so long as it's in production in time for the F43 Beta Go/No-Go decision. Otherwise it is deferred to F44.
2025-08-26 17:36:11 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 17:36:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oof, wait
2025-08-26 17:36:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> when _is_ that?
2025-08-26 17:36:47 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> If we vote "no" on the go/no-go, do they get more time?
2025-08-26 17:37:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-key-tasks.html
2025-08-26 17:37:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't really want to give them that much wiggle room
2025-08-26 17:37:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> proposal: leave it in for now, revisit if it looks to not be landing in a timely mannger
2025-08-26 17:37:20 <@fale:fale.io> 2025-09-11
2025-08-26 17:37:24 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> nirik: +1
2025-08-26 17:37:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> zbyszek: Oops, I meant to write "the first scheduled Go/No-Go meeting" and didn't
2025-08-26 17:37:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so they would have three weeks?
2025-08-26 17:37:45 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> (I like this more than Stephen's proposal, which seems a bit too strict.)
2025-08-26 17:37:45 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I deleted and rewrote it and lost that nuance
2025-08-26 17:38:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I would like to nudge the FCOS people to follow more closely the mainline Fedora schedule
2025-08-26 17:38:50 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> nirik: -1 (I think we should be a bit more clear than that about their available time)
2025-08-26 17:39:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so I'm not necessarily willing to give them three weeks for this
2025-08-26 17:39:17 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I think three weeks is fair.
2025-08-26 17:39:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> considering they don't follow infra freeze, I don't think so
2025-08-26 17:39:43 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> It's unclear from the bug how much more time they want...
2025-08-26 17:39:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if they did, I would agree with you
2025-08-26 17:40:12 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: Are you proposing a different extension? No extension?
2025-08-26 17:40:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm proposing one week to two weeks max
2025-08-26 17:40:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't know that they change their infra during freeze? or ?
2025-08-26 17:41:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> which is within the realm of wiggle room we give other people
2025-08-26 17:41:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and I feel is particularly generous since their infrastructure doesn't go through freezes like everyone else does
2025-08-26 17:42:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> IIRC, they don't do change freezes, things change as PRs land in their repository dynamically
2025-08-26 17:43:13 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Meh, if we want to give a strict deadline, then I think Stephens proposal is better. It's enough time to do some serious work, but also we'll be busy with the freeze anyway, so we don't need this earlier.
2025-08-26 17:43:41 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> So I change my vote to +1 to Stephen Gallagher's proposal (with the clarification that it's the first go/no-go).
2025-08-26 17:43:48 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 👋
2025-08-26 17:43:51 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Right, I'll rephrase that
2025-08-26 17:44:26 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: Accept it so long as it's in production in time for the first F43 Beta Go/No-Go decision on 2025-09-11. Otherwise it is deferred to F44.
2025-08-26 17:44:40 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> hi all - reading back some of the context 
2025-08-26 17:44:43 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Hey dustymabe. thoughts?
2025-08-26 17:45:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> what does "in production" mean in the FCOS context?
2025-08-26 17:46:04 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: That this is what is coming out of their official compose infra
2025-08-26 17:46:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, I mean, does that mean published so it available as a testable artifact?
2025-08-26 17:47:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> FCOS has a much looser setup because of the release train
2025-08-26 17:47:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so I don't know what "in production" should translate to
2025-08-26 17:47:27 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> hey all. I can give an update
2025-08-26 17:47:55 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> basically we've moved over `rawhide` to building from container, but are ironing out a few kinks before enabling it for F43
2025-08-26 17:48:03 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: It needs to be producing testable content, yes
2025-08-26 17:48:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> can it be done by this time next week?
2025-08-26 17:48:36 <@fale:fale.io> @dustymabe what's your expected timeline?
2025-08-26 17:49:47 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Fale: we're actively working on it. Basically the part that isn't working right now is some of the way we "lock" rpms. It's working for x86_64 but not for the other architectures. @jlebon is working on a patch for it
2025-08-26 17:49:55 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I expect to have the main issues resolved by the end of this week
2025-08-26 17:50:32 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1 to Stephen's proposal
2025-08-26 17:50:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 17:51:09 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 17:51:20 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> +1 
2025-08-26 17:51:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-08-26 17:52:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 to this specifically
2025-08-26 17:52:35 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !agreed  Accept it so long as it's in production in time for the first F43 Beta Go/No-Go decision on 2025-09-11. Otherwise it is deferred to F44. (+5, 0, -0)
2025-08-26 17:53:00 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Thanks dustymabe 
2025-08-26 17:53:01 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: CMake 4.0
2025-08-26 17:53:13 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > Would probably need to push this to F44 since it would still require quite a few PRs to be created. I will try to automate push a bunch of PRs, but it would be too much pain to make beta freeze exceptions for each package, so better to push it back to F44 instead.
2025-08-26 17:53:16 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> nirik: Sorry, we have a lot to get through today :-/
2025-08-26 17:53:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> no problem
2025-08-26 17:53:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Proposal: Reassign to f44.
2025-08-26 17:53:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1 to proposal
2025-08-26 17:53:37 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> zbyszek: +1
2025-08-26 17:53:50 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 17:54:10 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 17:54:31 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !agreed Reassign to F44 (+5, 0, -0)
2025-08-26 17:54:46 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: CMake: Use ninja generator by default
2025-08-26 17:54:55 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > Would probably need to push this to F44 since it would still require quite a few PRs to be created. I will try to automate push a bunch of PRs, but it would be too much pain to make beta freeze exceptions for each package, so better to push it back to F44 instead.
2025-08-26 17:55:03 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> (Same comment as in the previous one.)
2025-08-26 17:55:04 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> same?
2025-08-26 17:55:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Proposal: Reassign to f44
2025-08-26 17:55:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-08-26 17:55:16 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 17:55:19 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 17:55:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-08-26 17:55:28 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 17:55:52 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !agreed Reassign to F44 (+5, 0, -0)
2025-08-26 17:55:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-08-26 17:56:01 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Compress the initrd with zstd by default
2025-08-26 17:56:13 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/dracut/pull-request/85 merged yesterday for rawhide and today for f43
2025-08-26 17:56:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (as an aside, I am uncomfortable with the number of cmake changes in a single fedora release)
2025-08-26 17:56:39 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, this one should be done.
2025-08-26 17:56:40 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !info Change was moved to ON_QA
2025-08-26 17:56:56 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Confidential Virtualization Host for Intel TDX
2025-08-26 17:56:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> at least this way there is more time for prep work and PRs so hopefully the impact will be smaller once the changes land
2025-08-26 17:56:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's already in F43: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2025-0daf9a23ee
2025-08-26 17:57:05 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !bug 2376123
2025-08-26 17:57:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2376123 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2376123): [Changes Tracking]: Confidential Virtualization Host for Intel TDX
2025-08-26 17:57:21 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > the key gap is the kernel support for KEXEC+TDX compat
2025-08-26 17:57:56 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> "It should be viable to backport the changes to 6.16 in Fedora 43 as a short-term solution, to make this feature complete."
2025-08-26 17:58:11 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I don't see https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/8/14/76 merged? 
2025-08-26 17:58:48 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I don't think back porting non-upstream kernel patches is a viable solution 
2025-08-26 17:58:48 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Given that this is pretty niche, I'm open to just giving them more time to work on it.
2025-08-26 17:59:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-08-26 17:59:18 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 17:59:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah meh
2025-08-26 17:59:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-08-26 17:59:29 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> What proposal are we voting on?
2025-08-26 17:59:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> giving them more time
2025-08-26 17:59:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but yeah backporting non-upstream stuff is probably not viable
2025-08-26 17:59:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, giving more time
2025-08-26 18:00:03 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> OK, let me rephrase that for a vote
2025-08-26 18:00:04 <@fale:fale.io> is it a week more time or an undefined amount of itme?
2025-08-26 18:00:25 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: FESCo will permit this to land after Beta Freeze but before GA Freeze.
2025-08-26 18:00:49 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 18:00:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> can you use Final Freeze wording instead?
2025-08-26 18:00:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's what we call it
2025-08-26 18:01:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but otherwise +1
2025-08-26 18:01:01 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: FESCo will permit this to land after Beta Freeze but must land before GA Freeze.
2025-08-26 18:01:06 <@fale:fale.io> Final Freeze = 2025-10-07
2025-08-26 18:01:14 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: FESCo will permit this to land after Beta Freeze but must land before Final Freeze.
2025-08-26 18:01:18 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: Amended
2025-08-26 18:01:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1 also
2025-08-26 18:01:30 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 18:01:33 <@fale:fale.io> +1\
2025-08-26 18:01:38 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 18:01:57 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !agreed  FESCo will permit this to land after Beta Freeze but must land before Final Freeze. (+6, 0, -0)
2025-08-26 18:02:10 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Deprecate The Gold Linker
2025-08-26 18:02:15 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> 'dnf repoquery --provides binutils-gold' → deprecated()
2025-08-26 18:02:17 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !bug 2360106
2025-08-26 18:02:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2360106 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2360106): [Changes Tracking]: Deprecate The Gold Linker
2025-08-26 18:02:27 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I marked it as ON_QA.
2025-08-26 18:02:29 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> So this is done but the ticket isn't updated, I guess?
2025-08-26 18:02:33 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Thanks
2025-08-26 18:02:42 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> it's deprecated. and got removed too for a day 😅
2025-08-26 18:02:51 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !info This is landed and the ticket has now been moved to ON_QA
2025-08-26 18:03:11 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Deprecate YASM
2025-08-26 18:03:20 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !bug 2388199
2025-08-26 18:03:21 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2388199 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2388199): [Changes Tracking]: Deprecate YASM
2025-08-26 18:03:27 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> all pull requests for packages merged, except thunderbird which seems FTBFS for unrelated reasons
2025-08-26 18:03:31 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> it's also marked as ON_QA
2025-08-26 18:03:44 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !info Ticket has been moved to ON_QA
2025-08-26 18:03:59 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Disablement of STI tests
2025-08-26 18:04:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !bug 2346261
2025-08-26 18:04:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2346261 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2346261): [Changes Tracking]: Disablement of STI tests
2025-08-26 18:04:10 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> This is also as ON_QA
2025-08-26 18:04:23 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I saw many PRs for this fly by.
2025-08-26 18:04:25 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> hurray
2025-08-26 18:04:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !info Ticket has been moved to ON_QA
2025-08-26 18:04:56 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: DNF/RPM Copy on Write enablement for all variants
2025-08-26 18:05:02 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !bug 1915976
2025-08-26 18:05:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#1915976 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1915976): [Changes Tracking]: DNF/RPM Copy on Write enablement for all variants
2025-08-26 18:05:23 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > when we'd be ready to move forward with this, we'd want them to formally re-approve it, as it's been so long. I agree that it probably makes sense to withdraw this Change, and we'll refile it down the road once we have a better story around upstreaming.
2025-08-26 18:05:31 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Proposal: the change is dropped. Owners are welcome to resubmit when ready.
2025-08-26 18:05:43 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 18:06:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-08-26 18:06:35 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yeah this one is old enough that going through the process again makes sense
2025-08-26 18:06:55 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 18:06:59 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 18:07:15 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !agreed the change is dropped. Owners are welcome to resubmit when ready. (+5, 0, -0)
2025-08-26 18:07:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Dropping of cert.pem file
2025-08-26 18:07:35 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !bug 2360110
2025-08-26 18:07:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2360110 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2360110): [Changes Tracking]: Dropping of cert.pem file
2025-08-26 18:07:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > Ok, let's postpone to f44, so there is more time for readjustment.
2025-08-26 18:07:51 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> A revert was requested, not sure if it is already implemented.
2025-08-26 18:07:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this seems to be a rather painful change
2025-08-26 18:08:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I thought it was done?
2025-08-26 18:08:10 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Yeah, this one bit a lot of people.
2025-08-26 18:08:23 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> nirik: It landed, but it broke a lot of stuff and now they are reverting
2025-08-26 18:08:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> (in f43)
2025-08-26 18:08:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok.
2025-08-26 18:08:44 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: Allow them to land the revert during Beta Freeze
2025-08-26 18:08:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-08-26 18:08:54 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 18:08:57 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 18:09:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-08-26 18:09:14 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> is this safe?
2025-08-26 18:09:25 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> haven't a lot of packages already been adapted?
2025-08-26 18:09:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes, but thats fine...
2025-08-26 18:09:34 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !agreed Allow them to land the revert during Beta Freeze (+5, 0, -0)
2025-08-26 18:09:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it will just fix the ones still broken
2025-08-26 18:09:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> reverting is safe since it has no negative impact on existing stuff
2025-08-26 18:10:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini: It shouldn't affect the ones that migrated
2025-08-26 18:10:43 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Enable auto-updates by default in Fedora Kinoite
2025-08-26 18:10:49 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !bug 2233192
2025-08-26 18:10:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2233192 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2233192): [Changes Tracking]: Enable auto-updates by default in Fedora Kinoite
2025-08-26 18:11:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't think this is done?
2025-08-26 18:11:21 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> The comments in the bug made it seem like this isn't done… but not sure.
2025-08-26 18:11:42 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Oh hey, we just passed the second anniversary for this one.
2025-08-26 18:12:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I only see the revert...
2025-08-26 18:12:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> (from the last attempt)
2025-08-26 18:13:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> travier: you don't happen to be around do you?
2025-08-26 18:14:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> In order to keep moving, shall we just defer the decision today?
2025-08-26 18:14:16 <@fale:fale.io> +1 to next week
2025-08-26 18:14:25 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 18:14:27 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> We've got plenty more to get through
2025-08-26 18:14:33 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1 to punt
2025-08-26 18:14:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-08-26 18:14:56 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !info Lacking sufficient information, we're deferring this decision to next week
2025-08-26 18:15:08 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic F43 Incomplete Change: Erlang 27
2025-08-26 18:15:12 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> koji builds for erlang (https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1681) do not show 27.
2025-08-26 18:15:20 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !bug 2383282
2025-08-26 18:15:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2383282 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2383282): [Changes Tracking]: Erlang 27
2025-08-26 18:15:41 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Do we want to give them some more time?
2025-08-26 18:15:41 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> This doesn't look done
2025-08-26 18:16:39 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: Drop this Change from F43. It can be resubmitted in F44.
2025-08-26 18:17:00 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 18:17:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-08-26 18:17:08 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 18:17:24 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> is any erlang stuff preinstalled anywhere?
2025-08-26 18:17:34 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini: Not to my knowledge
2025-08-26 18:17:53 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I would be fine with giving them a bit more time then. but also +1 to defer
2025-08-26 18:18:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm fine with giving them time
2025-08-26 18:18:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's no erlang preloaded in any fedora variant
2025-08-26 18:18:38 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I'd be too, weakly.
2025-08-26 18:18:39 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> My appliance delivery just showed up. I will follow as best I can via phone for the next little while, but I need someone else to take over Chair please.
2025-08-26 18:18:49 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> (not sure we need to reject and need them to resubmit)
2025-08-26 18:19:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'd be ok with more time as well... but unclear what the state is. we could punt and ask?
2025-08-26 18:19:20 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Oh yeah, dropping and resubmitting is unnecessary.
2025-08-26 18:19:33 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Yeah, +1 to punting.
2025-08-26 18:19:35 <@fale:fale.io> +1 on punt and ask before moving to F44
2025-08-26 18:19:37 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I can take over the chair.
2025-08-26 18:20:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Sure, +1 punt
2025-08-26 18:20:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini: ok to punt?
2025-08-26 18:20:44 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> sure, +1
2025-08-26 18:20:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ok to punt +1
2025-08-26 18:21:11 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !agreed Lacking sufficient information, we're deferring this decision to next week (+6, 0, 0)
2025-08-26 18:21:18 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic GNU Toolchain Update (gcc 15.2, binutils 2.45, glibc 2.42, gdb 17.1)
2025-08-26 18:21:28 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> All done. I marked it as ON_QA.
2025-08-26 18:21:41 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info The ticket is marked as ON_QA.
2025-08-26 18:22:02 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Hardlink identical files in packages by default
2025-08-26 18:22:02 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> 
2025-08-26 18:22:02 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Moved to f44 by owner (me).
2025-08-26 18:22:23 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Hare Programming Language
2025-08-26 18:22:37 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> This is not done, but I think it can happen asynchronously until final release.
2025-08-26 18:22:58 <@fale:fale.io> I think we can wait beta go/no-go meeting
2025-08-26 18:23:20 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Or even later. Those packages are not going to be on any image, just in the repo.
2025-08-26 18:24:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's pretty self contained, but the later it is, the less pre release testing it would get.
2025-08-26 18:24:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah it's meh
2025-08-26 18:24:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-08-26 18:24:23 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but until final freeze seems possible...
2025-08-26 18:24:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> the guidelines are also still pending.
2025-08-26 18:24:55 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I think we need a formal proposal to have clarity.
2025-08-26 18:25:12 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Proposal: the change can land before the final freeze.
2025-08-26 18:25:18 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 18:25:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-08-26 18:25:23 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 18:25:42 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: ?
2025-08-26 18:25:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-08-26 18:25:56 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !agreed the change can land before the final freeze (+5, 0, 0)
2025-08-26 18:26:06 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher: do you want the chair back?
2025-08-26 18:26:19 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic LLVM 21
2025-08-26 18:26:22 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> No, I’m on phone
2025-08-26 18:26:37 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Late, but that was planned. I think we should just wait for now.
2025-08-26 18:26:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we know LLVM is always late
2025-08-26 18:26:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> llvm is always late. yeah.
2025-08-26 18:26:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so yeah, just wait
2025-08-26 18:26:53 <@fale:fale.io> +1 on waiting
2025-08-26 18:27:00 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, I don't think we need a vote.
2025-08-26 18:27:00 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 18:27:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> "Our plan is to push 21.1.0 into Fedora 43 during the Beta Freeze with a Beta Freeze exception. "
2025-08-26 18:27:17 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info The late delivery of this change was planned, so we're waiting fornow.
2025-08-26 18:27:32 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> why do I feel like we just only got LLVM 20 a month ago? ...
2025-08-26 18:27:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> time 🪰s
2025-08-26 18:27:54 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Time flies faster in the summer.
2025-08-26 18:28:05 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic mkosi-initrd
2025-08-26 18:28:15 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Owner (me) moved the change to f44.
2025-08-26 18:28:21 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info The change has been moved to f44.
2025-08-26 18:28:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Modernize Live Media
2025-08-26 18:28:35 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > Please defer this to F44.
2025-08-26 18:28:46 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info The owner requested the change to be moved to f44.
2025-08-26 18:28:57 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Package builds are expected to be reproducible
2025-08-26 18:29:04 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I need to discuss this with other change owners. A bunch of work was done, but we probably will need to move this to f44.
2025-08-26 18:29:28 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Are we fine with waiting for now? It's mostly asynchronous anywya.
2025-08-26 18:29:37 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 18:29:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure, but would be good to sort out soon for f43
2025-08-26 18:30:02 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I mean ... they are *already* expected to be reproducible, it's just more aspirational still :D 
2025-08-26 18:30:48 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info Change owners will discuss how to handle this and FESCo can revisit next week.
2025-08-26 18:30:57 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic PostgreSQL 18
2025-08-26 18:31:03 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Doesn't seem to be done.
2025-08-26 18:31:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh? seems to be in to me?
2025-08-26 18:31:37 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I looked at the package list, and I saw some older versions, 17 at max.
2025-08-26 18:31:40 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Link?
2025-08-26 18:31:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/postgresql18
2025-08-26 18:32:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's postgresql18
2025-08-26 18:32:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=42162
2025-08-26 18:32:29 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> 'dnf list postgresql18' shows nothing.
2025-08-26 18:32:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> on f43? or ?
2025-08-26 18:32:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's tagged.
2025-08-26 18:32:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I see it in rawhide
2025-08-26 18:33:00 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> the default version is suffixless 
2025-08-26 18:33:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/postgresql18/blob/f43/f/postgresql18.spec#_99
2025-08-26 18:33:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Ah, OK. So yeah, this seems to be done.
2025-08-26 18:33:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah
2025-08-26 18:34:15 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !bug 2386892
2025-08-26 18:34:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2386892 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2386892): [Changes Tracking]: PostgreSQL 18
2025-08-26 18:34:49 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I marked it as ON_QA now.
2025-08-26 18:35:00 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info The package is marked ON_QA now.
2025-08-26 18:35:14 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Remove DNF modularity support from Anaconda
2025-08-26 18:35:24 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info This is marked as ON_QA already.
2025-08-26 18:35:32 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Remove Python Mock Usage
2025-08-26 18:35:45 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Proposal: move to f44.
2025-08-26 18:35:45 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> fedrq reports 9 binary and 42 source packages.
2025-08-26 18:36:11 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> (fedrq reports 9 binary and 42 source packages requiring python3-mock.)
2025-08-26 18:36:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Yeah, +1 to move to f44
2025-08-26 18:37:07 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 18:37:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-26 18:37:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-08-26 18:37:43 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher?
2025-08-26 18:38:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !agreed Change is moved to f44 (+5, 0, 0)
2025-08-26 18:38:44 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Retire gtk3-rs, gtk-rs-core v0.18, and gtk4-rs v0.7
2025-08-26 18:38:52 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info This is marked as ON_QA already.
2025-08-26 18:38:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yup, this is done ... 
2025-08-26 18:39:01 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Stop publishing updates to OSTree repository for CoreOS
2025-08-26 18:39:06 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > This was completed in https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-pipeline/pull/1195
2025-08-26 18:39:40 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !bug 2376121
2025-08-26 18:39:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2376121 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2376121): [Changes Tracking]: Stop publishing updates to OSTree repository for CoreOS
2025-08-26 18:40:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this would have to be reverted if they don't get the containerfile thing done, no?
2025-08-26 18:41:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> not sure.
2025-08-26 18:41:25 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> dustymabe: still around?
2025-08-26 18:41:40 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yes
2025-08-26 18:42:10 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> No. 
2025-08-26 18:42:44 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> If it's all good, can you mark the bug as ON_QA?
2025-08-26 18:43:01 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> In F42 we switched the default to pulling from quay for updates and migrated systems over to it.
2025-08-26 18:43:01 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> We've been publishing our builds as container images for a long time in quay.
2025-08-26 18:43:01 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-08-26 18:43:17 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> So we shouldn't need it any more for F43
2025-08-26 18:43:52 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> the build-via-container thing is really mostly an internal build tooling change 
2025-08-26 18:44:15 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> i.e. how we build the container.. do we build it via `rpm-ostree compose` or do we build it via `podman build` 
2025-08-26 18:44:35 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Will do.
2025-08-26 18:45:02 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info This is done and will be marked as ON_QA.
2025-08-26 18:45:13 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Thanks.
2025-08-26 18:45:15 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Switch Anaconda installer to DNF5
2025-08-26 18:45:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think this is done...
2025-08-26 18:45:51 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I didn't look at this one or later changes in the list, so please help out.
2025-08-26 18:46:29 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> rpm -q anaconda-core --requires | grep dnf
2025-08-26 18:46:29 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> python3-libdnf5 >= 5.2.15.0-1
2025-08-26 18:46:43 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but not sure thats everything.
2025-08-26 18:47:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> punt and revist next week to be sure?
2025-08-26 18:47:55 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> yeah
2025-08-26 18:48:07 <@fale:fale.io> makes sense
2025-08-26 18:48:57 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info Repoquery suggest that this is done, but lacking sufficient confirmation, we're deferring this decision to next week
2025-08-26 18:49:08 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic TBB2022.2.0
2025-08-26 18:49:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> on qa now
2025-08-26 18:49:23 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info Change is ON_QA now.
2025-08-26 18:49:29 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Tomcat 10.1.x
2025-08-26 18:49:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> The change owner closed this one.
2025-08-26 18:49:43 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !bug 2309206
2025-08-26 18:49:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2309206 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2309206): [Changes Tracking]: Tomcat 10.1.x
2025-08-26 18:49:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but we should probibly re-open and put on qa?
2025-08-26 18:49:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> uhh wut?
2025-08-26 18:49:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh
2025-08-26 18:49:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2025-08-26 18:51:01 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info The bug was CLOSED, but we reopened it to ON_QA to track the change.
2025-08-26 18:51:43 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I see nirik typing…
2025-08-26 18:51:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> was just clicking around to see something in another channel
2025-08-26 18:52:01 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Unification of boot loader updates, phase 1
2025-08-26 18:52:16 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !bug 2342224
2025-08-26 18:52:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2342224 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2342224): [Changes Tracking]: Unification of boot loader updates, phase 1
2025-08-26 18:52:23 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> unclear here. either revisit next week or just move to f44?
2025-08-26 18:52:30 <@davdunc:fedora.im> My sentiment as well.
2025-08-26 18:53:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we should revisit this one next week
2025-08-26 18:53:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info Lacking sufficient information, we'll revisit this next week.
2025-08-26 18:53:45 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> We also have the MODIFIED.
2025-08-26 18:53:51 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I assume we need to look at those too.
2025-08-26 18:54:04 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic KTLS implementation for GnuTLS
2025-08-26 18:54:15 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !bug 213000
2025-08-26 18:54:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#213000 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/213000): [kernel]: USB Serial adapter fails
2025-08-26 18:54:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> they want to postpone it.
2025-08-26 18:55:04 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> > We have to postpone it, there are still some test failing...
2025-08-26 18:55:20 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Proposal: postpone to f44
2025-08-26 18:55:44 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Or maybe we don't need to vote on this?
2025-08-26 18:55:50 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Yeha.
2025-08-26 18:56:02 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info Owners requested the change to be postponed to f44.
2025-08-26 18:56:12 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> how many times has this been postponed now?
2025-08-26 18:56:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, several, so perhaps we should ask them to repropose when they are actually ready
2025-08-26 18:56:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> There's slow but constant progress, so I think this might get done.
2025-08-26 18:57:08 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, so if somebody want to make a proposal, please do.
2025-08-26 18:57:20 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I would be fine with just letting it slide one more release.
2025-08-26 18:57:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we can just push it to f44 I guess then...
2025-08-26 18:57:34 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, so let's vote on this.
2025-08-26 18:57:41 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Proposal: postpone to f44
2025-08-26 18:57:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-08-26 18:57:51 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-08-26 18:58:06 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> We'll see in a moment.
2025-08-26 18:58:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-08-26 18:58:14 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini?
2025-08-26 18:58:25 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher?
2025-08-26 18:59:44 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Element shows that Stephen hasn't seen the last few pages of messages.
2025-08-26 18:59:50 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> So I think we lost quorum.
2025-08-26 19:00:08 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Let's move to open floor.
2025-08-26 19:00:37 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info We lost quorum and cannot make any formal decisions. The remaining topics will be discussed asynchronously or next week.
2025-08-26 19:00:43 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-08-26 19:00:45 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> im here 
2025-08-26 19:01:02 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Can you ack the last proposal?
2025-08-26 19:01:09 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1 to the last one 
2025-08-26 19:01:34 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic KTLS implementation for GnuTLS
2025-08-26 19:01:45 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !agreed The change is moved to f44 (+5, 0, 0)
2025-08-26 19:01:58 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Protobuf 5.x/6.x
2025-08-26 19:02:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's unclear here if its done or partly done or what. Probibly need more info
2025-08-26 19:03:15 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info We'll revisit this next week. Not enough info.
2025-08-26 19:03:25 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I don't think anything has happened here
2025-08-26 19:03:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Use COLR for Noto Color Emoji
2025-08-26 19:03:40 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !bug 2371125
2025-08-26 19:03:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> RHBZ#2371125 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2371125): [Changes Tracking]: Use COLR for Noto Color Emoji
2025-08-26 19:03:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> this is on_qa
2025-08-26 19:04:07 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info Change is ON_QA.
2025-08-26 19:04:18 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-08-26 19:04:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> next weeks chair?
2025-08-26 19:05:24 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> A fuck.
2025-08-26 19:05:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Next weeks chair?
2025-08-26 19:05:55 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Not everybody at once!
2025-08-26 19:06:25 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I guess I can do it. I only did half this week.
2025-08-26 19:06:32 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !action zbyszek will chair the next meeting
2025-08-26 19:06:35 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-08-26 19:06:52 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> If anyone has something, but briefly please.
2025-08-26 19:07:42 <@mschorm:fedora.im> so we know what standard we want to use and can continue to work on accordingly
2025-08-26 19:07:42 <@mschorm:fedora.im> Just a heads-up:
2025-08-26 19:07:42 <@mschorm:fedora.im> Opinions welcome on: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1475
2025-08-26 19:07:42 <@mschorm:fedora.im> Answer in ticket, IMO no need to discuss it broadly here.
2025-08-26 19:08:06 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1475
2025-08-26 19:08:14 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Ack.
2025-08-26 19:08:17 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Anything else?
2025-08-26 19:09:03 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Oh, it's my proposal. Please go and read it. 
2025-08-26 19:09:36 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, I'll close the meeting. 
2025-08-26 19:09:43 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Thanks everyone for persevering.
2025-08-26 19:09:46 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !endmeeting