2025-10-28 17:00:34 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !startmeeting FESCo (2025-10-28)
2025-10-28 17:00:36 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-10-28 17:00:34 UTC
2025-10-28 17:00:36 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'FESCo (2025-10-28)'
2025-10-28 17:00:39 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-28 17:00:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-10-28 17:00:41 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !meetingname fesco 
2025-10-28 17:00:42 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now fesco
2025-10-28 17:00:47 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !group members fesco
2025-10-28 17:00:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Members of fesco: Dave Cantrell, Fabio Valentini, Fabio Alessandro Locati, Tomáš Hrčka, Jef Spaleta, Kevin Fenzi, ngompa (@conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @pharaoh_atem:opensuse.org, @ngompa:kde.org, @ngompa:almalinux.im), salimma (@michel-slm:matrix.org, @salimma:fedora.im), Stephen Gallagher, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
2025-10-28 17:00:52 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-28 17:00:53 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic Init Process 
2025-10-28 17:00:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2025-10-28 17:00:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> good riddance Daylight saving, hello pre-dinner meeting
2025-10-28 17:01:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-10-28 17:01:45 <@fale:fale.io> !hi
2025-10-28 17:01:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Alessandro Locati (fale) - he / him / his
2025-10-28 17:02:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> I guess it is dinner time for CET folks, sorry
2025-10-28 17:02:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-10-28 17:02:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-10-28 17:02:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> don't worry, it changes more next week too. ;)
2025-10-28 17:03:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ok, we are already Six of Nine, and zbyszek said he won't be able to attend - should we wait until :05 or start early? :)
2025-10-28 17:04:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> go ahead and start
2025-10-28 17:04:35 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> We can assimilate them when they arrive
2025-10-28 17:04:49 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ha! at least one of you got the reference 🤖
2025-10-28 17:05:16 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !link
2025-10-28 17:05:23 <@salimma:fedora.im> nice
2025-10-28 17:05:25 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> lol ok 
2025-10-28 17:05:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !link Schedule https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/3AM3XFKSBFRQ7PGWLZFWPKKZV3KBOHOY/
2025-10-28 17:06:15 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ok, let's just go through the things in order, so ... 
2025-10-28 17:06:34 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic #3475 Packages owned by invalid users
2025-10-28 17:06:42 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !fesco 3475
2025-10-28 17:06:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3475** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3475):**Packages owned by invalid users**
2025-10-28 17:06:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-10-28 17:06:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a week ago
2025-10-28 17:06:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a month ago by gotmax23
2025-10-28 17:06:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:07:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> how long shall we give people?
2025-10-28 17:07:03 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Has there been any movement since last week?
2025-10-28 17:07:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> lots of folks seem to be still on holidays (there were holidays in cz and ie at least this week)
2025-10-28 17:08:00 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> what about "let's give people one more week (i.e. Nov. 04) to account for holidays and f43 release prep" ?
2025-10-28 17:08:25 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure, I can try and ping some more teams on various coms too...
2025-10-28 17:08:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah this Monday is a bank holiday in Ireland, and the rest of the week is school midterm break (a.k.a. "let the kids have Halloween off"
2025-10-28 17:08:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah this Monday is a bank holiday in Ireland, and the rest of the week is school midterm break (a.k.a. "let the kids have Halloween off")
2025-10-28 17:08:44 <@salimma:fedora.im> so a lot of parents are probably out
2025-10-28 17:08:55 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yeah it's "Autumn Holiday" in Austria too :)
2025-10-28 17:09:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Canada just ended its batch of holidays, and the US holidays are starting the roll in :)
2025-10-28 17:10:13 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ok, Proposal: Give users / groups one more week (Nov. 4) to assign a "main admin" and decide upon a default bugzilla contact for affected packages, and if there are no responses until then, orphan affected packages.
2025-10-28 17:10:34 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini: +1
2025-10-28 17:10:44 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-10-28 17:10:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> lots of those left seem to be the lvm folks.
2025-10-28 17:11:00 <@salimma:fedora.im> +1
2025-10-28 17:11:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1 I suppose... although it might make a mess.
2025-10-28 17:11:46 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> if nobody is reachable for 3+ weeks then that's kind of on them, not on us, IMO
2025-10-28 17:12:39 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I count +5, I guess we lost Neal along the way?
2025-10-28 17:13:40 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> going for ... first, second, third, sold, or whatever auctioneers say
2025-10-28 17:13:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-10-28 17:14:29 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !agreed APPROVED Give users / groups one more week (Nov. 4) to assign a "main admin" and decide upon a default bugzilla contact for affected packages, and if there are no responses until then, orphan affected packages. (+6, 0, -0)
2025-10-28 17:15:01 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic #3490 Change Packaging Guidelines to be based on the "Linux File System Hierarchy" instead of the FHS
2025-10-28 17:15:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !fesco 3490
2025-10-28 17:15:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a week ago by zbyszek
2025-10-28 17:15:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-10-28 17:15:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 2 minutes ago
2025-10-28 17:15:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3490** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3490):**Change Packaging Guidelines to be based on the "Linux File System Hierarchy" instead of the FHS**
2025-10-28 17:15:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:15:37 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I think discussion this makes more sense when zbyszek is here, so I propose to move this to next week.
2025-10-28 17:15:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, +1
2025-10-28 17:16:00 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Agreed
2025-10-28 17:16:00 <@fale:fale.io> +1 on punting
2025-10-28 17:16:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> +1
2025-10-28 17:17:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> punt +1
2025-10-28 17:17:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (but FYI I am opposed to the change, but we can discuss that some other time)
2025-10-28 17:17:53 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !info This topic will be discussed next week when zbyszek can hopefully participate in the discussion.
2025-10-28 17:18:21 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic docs#108 Broken links to meeting minutes
2025-10-28 17:18:34 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fesco/fesco-docs/issue/108
2025-10-28 17:19:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not sure off hand why this doesn''t work? some kind of frame issue...
2025-10-28 17:19:17 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I clicked around the new meeting logs website, and I don't see a way to have a permalink to specific meetings. It's just a single page JavaScript application now AFAICT
2025-10-28 17:19:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, the raw ones work fine
2025-10-28 17:19:59 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I suppose the easiest solution is to search for the string "fesco"
2025-10-28 17:20:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> and if you follow the html ones, they work, but then if you try and open that same url it fails because of js I guess?
2025-10-28 17:20:10 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> but that doesn't give you useful links.
2025-10-28 17:20:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> I didn't realize searching by group worked in the past
2025-10-28 17:20:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2025-10-21/fesco.2025-10-21-17.01.html ?
2025-10-28 17:20:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> would have made it so easy to search for previous meetings
2025-10-28 17:21:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh, it's the team one thats failing
2025-10-28 17:21:13 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> nirik: yeah, that works, but there's no page like "here's a list of all `fesco` meetings" 
2025-10-28 17:21:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I might be able to fix this, it might be a permissions issue.
2025-10-28 17:21:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I guess we can either 1) change the link and tell people to use the search box, and / or 2) file an RFE against the website for name based view?
2025-10-28 17:22:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> there is a team view, it's just not working. ;)
2025-10-28 17:23:12 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> oh, ok. so, let's file an issue to track getting that fixed? :)
2025-10-28 17:24:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure. I think it's a bad / messed up meeting causing it to not process the teams, but not 100% sure.
2025-10-28 17:24:55 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> any volunteer who is going to file a ticket to track this, and fix the link in the fesco docs once that's done?
2025-10-28 17:25:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I can file it.
2025-10-28 17:25:27 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> thank you 🙇
2025-10-28 17:25:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think if it gets fixed, we can just drop the docs change as the old thing will work again
2025-10-28 17:25:52 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !action nirik to file a ticket to track broken teams view on the meeting logs page
2025-10-28 17:26:19 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic docs#110 Stalled request process adjustments
2025-10-28 17:26:23 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fesco/fesco-docs/pull-request/110
2025-10-28 17:27:11 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I pushed back on this initially because I don't think it makes sense to already adapt a new policy before we even used it *once*, but if there's a good reason to do so, then I would be fine with that ...
2025-10-28 17:27:36 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> We don't need to discuss this now, but it would be great if other fesco members could leave feedback on the PR.
2025-10-28 17:28:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, doesn't seem many people are using it...
2025-10-28 17:28:56 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> So you're saying that the process of amending the stalled request process has stalled and you're requesting we process it?
2025-10-28 17:29:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol
2025-10-28 17:29:12 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> such wow, much meta.
2025-10-28 17:29:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think realistically the fact that the main user of it doesn't like how it exists now is kind of a problem
2025-10-28 17:30:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but I've left a comment in the PR
2025-10-28 17:30:30 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Right. I'm not sure I'm remembering this right though - was the process *modeled* after the Stalled EPEL Requests Policy, or was it also supposed to *replace* it? I only remember the first part.
2025-10-28 17:30:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> both
2025-10-28 17:31:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the idea was to unify the processes and it was modeled on the EPEL one
2025-10-28 17:31:33 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ok - then it makes more sense to me to tweak it slightly in order for them to be more similar.
2025-10-28 17:31:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the idea was to generalize the processes and it was modeled on the EPEL one
2025-10-28 17:32:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I personally think a light ack would be an okay compromise, we can see how EPSCo feels about it
2025-10-28 17:32:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm also starting to think we have too many things that require us to vote too
2025-10-28 17:33:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but that's a separate discussion
2025-10-28 17:34:04 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Proposal: Please leave feedback on the PR, and vote on it once it's been adapted *or* after it has been determined that no further changes to the PR are needed.
2025-10-28 17:34:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-10-28 17:34:51 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I don't think that proposal requires a formal vote
2025-10-28 17:35:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, probibly not, seems reasonable.
2025-10-28 17:35:19 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 🤫 I'm just trying to push more people to look at it
2025-10-28 17:35:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> ack
2025-10-28 17:36:03 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !info FESCo members are encouraged to leave feedback on the PR and ack / nack it once it's ready.
2025-10-28 17:36:12 <@salimma:fedora.im> ack
2025-10-28 17:36:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> (Not sure what the agenda is for today's meeting is, but if #3493 comes up, please ping me and I am happy to chat about it—sorry for the interrupt message)
2025-10-28 17:36:44 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Justin Wheeler: It's on the agenda, I'll ping you once we're there. :)
2025-10-28 17:37:02 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic docs#112 Add section to ensure SIG Policy
2025-10-28 17:37:02 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fesco/fesco-docs/pull-request/112
2025-10-28 17:38:07 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> This is now on the correct page, though I'm not sure the formatting and grammar are right here.
2025-10-28 17:38:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> umm what?
2025-10-28 17:38:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> what is this supposed to be for?
2025-10-28 17:39:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm confused by the existence of this PR
2025-10-28 17:39:25 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yeah - though I don't think it's a bad idea to document where / how the SIG Policy is enforced
2025-10-28 17:39:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> what sig policy are we talking about?
2025-10-28 17:40:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah... its otherwise invisible.
2025-10-28 17:40:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and I guess this is about programmatically enforcing this
2025-10-28 17:40:23 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yeah - https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/SIG_policy/
2025-10-28 17:40:35 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> the enforcement is already automatic
2025-10-28 17:40:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh this policy
2025-10-28 17:40:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> right, it's just a pointer to where the automation is.
2025-10-28 17:40:44 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yeah this just adds a link to the script to the policy
2025-10-28 17:41:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah the wording is oofy
2025-10-28 17:41:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'll try to put some suggestions in the PR
2025-10-28 17:41:31 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> sounds good to me. thanks!
2025-10-28 17:41:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> "SIG policy enforcement" sounds better to me than "Ensuring SIG policy" ?
2025-10-28 17:41:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2025-10-28 17:41:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's basically what I was thinking
2025-10-28 17:41:50 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !info We'll leave suggestions on the PR and then do the needful.
2025-10-28 17:42:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> "Enforcing SIG policy" works too, it's basically just "ensuring" to me sounds like it should be followed by something else :)
2025-10-28 17:42:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2025-10-28 17:42:42 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !fesco 3491
2025-10-28 17:42:42 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic #3491 F43 FESCo Election Questions
2025-10-28 17:43:04 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> huh, why doesn't it work for *that* command? ... strange.
2025-10-28 17:43:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh, I guess this is also me too now 🙂 
2025-10-28 17:43:06 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !fesco 3491
2025-10-28 17:43:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 6 days ago
2025-10-28 17:43:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a week ago by amoloney
2025-10-28 17:43:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-10-28 17:43:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3491** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3491):**F43 FESCo Election Questions**
2025-10-28 17:43:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:44:01 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Michel and I left some minor feedback / suggestions, but other than that, does anybody have comments?
2025-10-28 17:44:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> do we need to approve anything here? we just need to give suggestions and let Justin figure out the final wording, right?
2025-10-28 17:44:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> aside from the name thing and updating to Matrix rather than IRC, I think it's gravy
2025-10-28 17:44:48 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Well, I guess the open question is if we want to put any specific topics on the list
2025-10-28 17:44:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> It would help me if you do the wordsmithing on what you like, otherwise I'll probably just say "preferred name" and "Matrix ID"
2025-10-28 17:44:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> That's pretty small stuff, though
2025-10-28 17:45:16 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Like in the past we've occasionally included controversial topics to allow voters to hear stances on them
2025-10-28 17:45:29 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> that would be fine I think
2025-10-28 17:45:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> admittedly I have a bit of a bias against people only being known by pseudonyms these days because of all the OSS hijack stuff lately
2025-10-28 17:45:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> preferred name seems reasonable to me
2025-10-28 17:45:55 <@salimma:fedora.im> maybe with a humorous link to fallacies about names
2025-10-28 17:46:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but that's more of a me thing than a thing we should encode in our questionnaire
2025-10-28 17:46:05 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Conan Kudo 🤧: In a very real sense, all names are pseudonyms
2025-10-28 17:46:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think it's fine...
2025-10-28 17:46:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/
2025-10-28 17:46:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah but in an environment where people might not be allowed to legally change their names... we don't want to deadname people either
2025-10-28 17:46:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> a name is a promise and a representation of who we are :)
2025-10-28 17:46:50 <@salimma:fedora.im> it's a tricky balance :)
2025-10-28 17:47:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah it's a mess
2025-10-28 17:47:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> I"d like to think if a shady person runs for FESCo one of us would raise the alarm
2025-10-28 17:47:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'd like to think so :)
2025-10-28 17:47:26 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think for FESCo elections though, this seems less likely of an issue
2025-10-28 17:47:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Michel Lind UTC+1: I hope they don't. That could rule me out as a candidate!
2025-10-28 17:47:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> and speaking of which I forgot to update my display name tz again
2025-10-28 17:47:52 <@salimma:fedora.im> the real slim shady
2025-10-28 17:48:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and admittedly because of reasons(tm) I have been going by multiple names of the years and have responded to the "wrong" name a few times :P
2025-10-28 17:48:49 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ok, I think we're mostly in agreement about the small suggested changes and that otherwise the questions are fine?
2025-10-28 17:48:50 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think "preferred name" is the best option in this instance
2025-10-28 17:48:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> I am trained to respond to Michael by now
2025-10-28 17:48:58 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> It lets the person filling it out decide the appropriate value
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ```
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ### What else should community members know about you or your positions?
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ### Why do you want to be a member of FESCo and how do you expect to help steer the direction of Fedora?
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ### What Matrix Channels do you tend to use?
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ### What is your FAS Username and/or Matrix ID?
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ```
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ### What is your preferred name?
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ### How do you handle disagreements when working as part of a team?
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ### How do you currently contribute to Fedora? How does that contribution benefit the community?
2025-10-28 17:49:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:49:33 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I get "Stefan" a lot as well.
2025-10-28 17:49:39 <@jflory7:fedora.im> These are the questions I have in my staging area in git
2025-10-28 17:49:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Which, admittedly, does seem a little different from what is in the FESCo issue, i.e. Matrix channels
2025-10-28 17:50:00 <@jflory7:fedora.im> But maybe not an issue
2025-10-28 17:50:21 <@salimma:fedora.im> Matrix has rooms not channels right?
2025-10-28 17:50:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2025-10-28 17:50:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> That looks good, just wonder if it makes sense for a FESCo candidate *not* to have a FAS username yet ;)
2025-10-28 17:50:29 <@salimma:fedora.im> and it should be lowercased, but otherwise SGTM
2025-10-28 17:50:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yeah, I'll amend that
2025-10-28 17:50:46 <@jflory7:fedora.im> `s/Channels/rooms/`
2025-10-28 17:50:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah maybe ask for FAS *and* Matrix?
2025-10-28 17:51:11 <@jflory7:fedora.im> `s/and\/or/and/`
2025-10-28 17:51:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> perfect :chef's kiss:
2025-10-28 17:51:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> Matrix I guess could be useful if people don't use their fedora.im - which otherwise should be the default. but might as well ask
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ```
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +### What is your FAS Username and Matrix ID?
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> -### What is your FAS Username and/or Nick?
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +### What is your preferred name?
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> -### What is your name (Given/First and Family/Last Names please)?
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  -->
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  Please answer all questions in the space below the question and leave a blank line between your answers and the questions.
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> @@ -8,11 +8,11 @@ Thank you for your interest in running for the Fedora Engineering Steering Commi
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  **MARK THIS TICKET AS PRIVATE**
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  <!--
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +# F44 FESCo Election Interview
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> -# F40 FESCo Election Interview
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +++ b/templates/FESCo-Election.md
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> --- a/templates/FESCo-Election.md
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> index fc8efea..c2fa3e9 100644
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> diff --git a/templates/FESCo-Election.md b/templates/FESCo-Election.md
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ```
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> -### What Matrix Channels do you tend to use?
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +### What Matrix rooms do you tend to use?
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  
2025-10-28 17:51:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  ### Why do you want to be a member of FESCo and how do you expect to help steer the direction of Fedora?
2025-10-28 17:51:56 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I don't think fedora.im is a default
2025-10-28 17:52:06 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh nice, Element actually makes the git diff pretty 😍
2025-10-28 17:52:10 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> In fact, last I heard, we had problems with per-user costs on that server.
2025-10-28 17:52:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> we'll see :)
2025-10-28 17:53:01 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Any objections to these changes? Otherwise I'll hit the hammer on the gavel or whatever and move on to the next topc 
2025-10-28 17:54:14 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Hit that gavel
2025-10-28 17:54:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 🔨
2025-10-28 17:54:37 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic #3493 Request for Review of Flock 2026 CFP themes by 2025-11-11
2025-10-28 17:54:41 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !fesco 3493
2025-10-28 17:54:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3493** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3493):**Request for Review of Flock 2026 CFP themes by 2025-11-11**
2025-10-28 17:54:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 4 days ago by jflory7
2025-10-28 17:54:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-10-28 17:54:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a day ago
2025-10-28 17:54:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> remote: Has commit access: True
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Total 4 (delta 3), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 0 (from 0)
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Writing objects: 100% (4/4), 674 bytes | 674.00 KiB/s, done.
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Compressing objects: 100% (4/4), done.
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Delta compression using up to 8 threads
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Counting objects: 100% (7/7), done.
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Enumerating objects: 7, done.
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  jwf  fosspad  ~  git  …  elections-interviews-issues  templates   master  1⬆  $  git push
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> [master ae84d1b] 📝 FESCo: Update F44 questions based on FESCo review
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im>  jwf  fosspad  ~  git  …  elections-interviews-issues  templates   master  1✎  SIGPIPE  $  git commit -as
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ```
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ```
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im>    8177a5d..ae84d1b  master -> master
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> To ssh://pagure.io/tickets/fedora-pgm/elections-interviews.git
2025-10-28 17:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> remote: Has commit access: True
2025-10-28 17:54:51 <@jflory7:fedora.im> It's pushed 😎
2025-10-28 17:54:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh, yikes, that was messy
2025-10-28 17:55:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Hi, it me, again 😄 
2025-10-28 17:55:28 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> fancy shell prompt? :)
2025-10-28 17:55:46 <@jflory7:fedora.im> https://github.com/justjanne/powerline-go
2025-10-28 17:55:54 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> well anyway I haven't had time to read this yet
2025-10-28 17:56:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I also only just skimmed it. It seems reasonable from a quick glance.
2025-10-28 17:56:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I've read it, but I haven't had time to think about it
2025-10-28 17:56:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Y'all aren't chasing me with pitchforks, so I think that's a good sign 🙂 
2025-10-28 17:56:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, give it time
2025-10-28 17:56:34 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I read it, I didn't have anything meaningful to add to the conversation
2025-10-28 17:56:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm sure we can find a pitchfork or two
2025-10-28 17:56:40 <@jflory7:fedora.im> You have until 11 November, so take some time to digest it
2025-10-28 17:56:46 <@jflory7:fedora.im> But after 11 November, I do need to push things along
2025-10-28 17:56:58 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> (Admittedly, that doesn't always stop me from talking anyway...)
2025-10-28 17:57:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Ok, let's move this from meeting to ticket discussion for now?
2025-10-28 17:57:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> +1
2025-10-28 17:57:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yep
2025-10-28 17:58:07 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> SYN-ACK
2025-10-28 17:58:16 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Also, I am out on PTO next week, so you won't hear from me next week.
2025-10-28 17:58:31 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Justin Wheeler: thanks for being here for these two topics!
2025-10-28 17:58:44 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Lucky that I opened this room at the right time 😄 
2025-10-28 17:59:03 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic #3492 Migration of fesco tracker and fesco-docs projects to
2025-10-28 17:59:03 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> forge.fedoraproject.org
2025-10-28 17:59:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !fesco 3492
2025-10-28 17:59:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a day ago
2025-10-28 17:59:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3492** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3492):**Migration of fesco tracker and fesco-docs projects to forge.fedoraproject.org**
2025-10-28 17:59:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-10-28 17:59:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 6 days ago by decathorpe
2025-10-28 17:59:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-10-28 17:59:36 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ↑ also not something we need to discuss during the meeting, just mentioning it so we don't forget it.
2025-10-28 17:59:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Sounds like we need more info...
2025-10-28 17:59:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'd rather hold off until forgejo has private tickets supported
2025-10-28 18:00:25 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> As far as I can tell, migrating automatically *now* would mean we couldn't migrate private tickets into that same repo *later* once private tickets are supported.
2025-10-28 18:00:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2025-10-28 18:00:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's why I'd rather us wait
2025-10-28 18:00:51 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> But moving the fesco-docs repo should be very straightforward.
2025-10-28 18:01:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I asked about that specifically and I think it was going to be supported.
2025-10-28 18:01:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ticket numbers are preserved.
2025-10-28 18:01:12 <@jflory7:fedora.im> FWIW, for Council, I am also leaning towards "wait for private issues" but I know some others feel more keen about getting over there earlier than not
2025-10-28 18:01:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> also the number of blocked migrations will change priority on implementation, so there is that benefit
2025-10-28 18:01:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't want us to do half-measures for migrations because those half-measures never get finished
2025-10-28 18:02:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not sure thats the case, but sure.
2025-10-28 18:02:09 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> even half measures threatened by surstromming?
2025-10-28 18:02:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> especially :)
2025-10-28 18:02:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the reality is that as soon as the pressure is gone, things stop
2025-10-28 18:02:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there are always other things to do
2025-10-28 18:04:05 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> Alright, let's move this to in-ticket vote on my Alternative Proposal (set up Org / Teams on forge.fp.o and move only fesco-docs for now) then?
2025-10-28 18:04:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> sounds good
2025-10-28 18:04:23 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think everyone in this meeting is involved with enough teams, that we could probably pick a team without private issues to try helping to migrate, and then take the lessons learned from migration into a FESCo migration down the road
2025-10-28 18:04:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> even kde sig can't move since we have private tickets
2025-10-28 18:04:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> server has essentially already moved
2025-10-28 18:04:56 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> server-wg has essentially already moved
2025-10-28 18:05:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> pswg could probably move, since nothing has been fully set up yet for some reason
2025-10-28 18:05:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the docs site code was written and then nobody wired it up 😅
2025-10-28 18:05:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> eh :(
2025-10-28 18:06:16 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> let's move this along, I see people are getting hungry 
2025-10-28 18:06:25 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic Next Week's Chair
2025-10-28 18:06:42 <@fale:fale.io> I'll not be here next week. But I can volunteer for the following week
2025-10-28 18:07:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I actually have to drop off, but I think I had all of my input to give here. I dropped a comment in the FESCo elections interview questions issue with the git diff too, and will eye the Flock 2026 CFP themes ticket. Later folks o/
2025-10-28 18:07:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I will not be here in two weeks
2025-10-28 18:08:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> vacationing away from home :)
2025-10-28 18:09:17 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> If there are no volunteers for next week until :10 then I guess I'll do it again
2025-10-28 18:09:51 <@salimma:fedora.im> I can take it so you're not doing two back to back
2025-10-28 18:10:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> unless someone else wants to give it a go
2025-10-28 18:10:07 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> good. thanks :)
2025-10-28 18:10:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> there will be elections and possibly new members soon, they can do meeting duty then 
2025-10-28 18:10:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !action salimma to chair the meeting on Nov. 4
2025-10-28 18:10:44 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !action fale to chair the meeting on Nov. 11
2025-10-28 18:11:02 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> thank you both 🙌
2025-10-28 18:11:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-10-28 18:11:53 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !info Fedora 43 is OUT
2025-10-28 18:11:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !link https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-linux-43/
2025-10-28 18:12:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> if there's nothing for open floor I'll close in a few minutes.
2025-10-28 18:13:52 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh that reminds me I need to do a status update for internal folks here :)
2025-10-28 18:14:15 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yay more work!
2025-10-28 18:14:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and time to file f44 changes I guess
2025-10-28 18:14:41 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> oh that reminds me ...
2025-10-28 18:14:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> wonder if the compiler people have gotten around to doing that for the gcc toolchain update for f44 yet
2025-10-28 18:14:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> I need something to test my new cables on my home setup anyway
2025-10-28 18:15:04 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> we'll see 
2025-10-28 18:15:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> (living room big monitor, need a cable free solution so I can work from the couch)
2025-10-28 18:15:40 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I see attention is drifting to dinner / lunch / breakfast, let's end it here :) 
2025-10-28 18:15:57 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !endmeeting