#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:32:28

!startmeeting Fedora Flatpak Packaging SIG

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:32:29

Meeting started at 2024-02-05 15:32:28 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:32:30

The Meeting name is 'Fedora Flatpak Packaging SIG'

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:32:35

!meetingname flatpak-sig

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:32:43

!topic Init process

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:32:48

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:32:50

Yaakov Selkowitz (yselkowitz)

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:32:51

Time for another weekly meeting! Who's around today?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:32:55

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:32:56

Kalev Lember (kalev)

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:33:37

Let's give a few minutes for people to join, in case anyone else is coming

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:34:19

Hello

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:34:26

I'm new here

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:36:33

welcome, hyperreal !

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:36:47

sooo, what do we have for topics today?

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:37:38

Re: xfce-apps, travier mentioned that I should try submitting the xfce flatpaks to Flathub first because they're more strict. Maybe someone there can help with what options to add to container.yaml as well.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:37:46

more strict?!?

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:37:54

That's what he said, idk

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:38:32

I don't see flathub as a blocker

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:39:02

I assume he meant about what gets approved to be available as on Flathub in terms of the quality of the flatpack source

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:39:08

particularly since it's officially supposed to be for upstreams only to provide apps there

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:40:56

if you want to try adding those to flathub that's fine, but we can create our own flatpaks too regardless of flathub

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:41:37

Okay, yeah my main goal is to get them on Fedora, because we need them to have an official Xfce ostree variant (Vauxite)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:41:49

oh didn't know about that

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:42:16

yep

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:42:34

oh wow, that's exciting - I didn't know Vauxite was coming and wants to ship flatpaks

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:43:02

It's not official yet I don't think, but there is a vauxite treefile on pagure.io/workstation-ostree-config

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:43:17

I'm trying to make it official and become a maintainer

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:43:18

as for the container.yaml contents, maybe outside of the meeting, post them somewhere we can see them and we can try to take a look at them

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:43:27

maybe you could try to pick one app to flatpak first and then we can help you through the process how to do it?

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:44:22

okay. I could make a Gist for a container.yaml file for Ristretto (Xfce image viewer) and share it in the Flatpak channel

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:45:04

There is already a Ristretto flatpak on Flathub, which I've copied from. The only Xfce flatpaks on Flathub are Ristretto and Mousepad

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:45:51

good plan!

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:45:53

already have mousepad in fedora iirc

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:46:07

maybe you could then take mousepad as an example

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:46:13

which apps are you looking at adding?

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:46:24

yes, you're right, there is mouspad on fedora

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:48:01

most things from the xfce-apps comps group. that's another thing I'm not sure of, what apps to include. Like the app Asunder for example, it's a audio CD ripper for Xfce desktop, but I feel like people aren't ripping audio CDs much these days, so I don't know if it would be worth including unless there is demand for it.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:49:24

to include in the ostree or as flatpaks?

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:49:29

as flatpaks

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:50:11

if it's usable and works as a flatpak, I'd say flatpak it, but we can start with the basics first

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:50:21

sounds good

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:55:53

moving on?

<@hyperreal:matrix.hyperreal.coffee>

15:56:00

yes

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:56:33

unfortunately no news wrt libreoffice, been too busy with ELN, hopefully in a few more weeks

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:01:09

Kalev Lember any news on evolution?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:01:43

sorry, I got pulled away for a few minutes

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:02:08

I have no idea about Evolution - it's all Owen's

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:04:28

!info libreoffice and evolution are still the last two remaining flatpaks on the old MBS based build system

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:04:43

!topic openh264

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:06:05

some more progress here: looks like the new openh264 build that adds "Obsoletes: noopenh264" is about to go live (even though we strictly don't need it for flatpaks)

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:06:12

https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11823

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:07:18

so we should be able to add noopenh264 to the build roots soon and start building packages against it, starting with gsd-plugins-bad and ffmpeg

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:07:54

and I also opened https://pagure.io/flatpak-module-tools/pull-request/41 with a few of the changes I have locally

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:11:27

!topic Open Floor

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:12:48

I'm wondering what we should change to get more people to attend the meetings - as of late, there aren't so many people joining and that limits the things we can discuss

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:13:57

Tomas and Owen, who else?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:14:44

maybe the bigger question is how we can get more people involved?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:15:06

We had Travier as well in the beginning

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:15:08

Indeed.

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:16:19

Maybe something for us to all to think about :) I promised to do a docs update, which I haven't gotten to yet - I think that could maybe help get new people involved.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:18:35

yes, docs would help, that's been a recurring theme with those looking to contribute

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:20:12

for anyone interested in trying out the latest flatpak runtime updates, yselkowitz and I did updates for the 3 runtimes that we ship and they are all in the testing remote and waiting for karma, https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/releases/F39F

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:21:15

having testers would be wonderful, right now it feels like nobody's looking at our updates

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:21:43

do we have any way of knowing how much our flatpaks are being installed?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:24:25

as far as I am aware, no - I guess there would be two ways to get the data, one is to collect download statistics on the server side, the other one would be telemetry on the client side

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:24:45

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry didn't get very far last time

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:27:47

anyway, nothing more from me - if you guys don't have anything else either, let's close the meeting and we can continue the xfce flatpak discussion in the flatpak room

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:28:43

!endmeeting