17:03:01 <rebelsky> #startmeeting
17:03:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun  4 17:03:01 2013 UTC.  The chair is rebelsky. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:03:08 <rebelsky> #chair camm
17:03:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: camm rebelsky
17:03:14 <rebelsky> #chair pnutzh4x0r
17:03:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: camm pnutzh4x0r rebelsky
17:03:41 <rebelsky> Did anyone record the links for  yesterday late aftenroon sessions?  They didn't seem to get logged on the Wiki.
17:06:53 <rebelsky> I had them, but dealing with webchat.freenode.net managed to make me lose them.
17:07:40 <rebelsky> #Starting the afternoon session.
17:07:49 <rebelsky> #topic Starting the Afternoon Session
17:08:02 <rebelsky> Question: Please tell us about the grant opportunity.
17:08:07 <rebelsky> Bullseye model
17:08:19 <rebelsky> There's a core team of about six people.
17:08:50 <rebelsky> There's a room for about 20 people that can be supported with a stipend of up to about $3K and $1K of travel money.
17:09:08 <rebelsky> E.g., maybe before the next POSSE we have a meeting.
17:09:31 <rebelsky> E.g., Hang a day on the front of SIGCSE.
17:09:43 <rebelsky> What they need is for people to do HFOSS.
17:09:46 <rebelsky> That is, developing materials of various sorts.
17:09:51 <rebelsky> Prototyping them.
17:09:59 <rebelsky> Doing good evaluation of it as they do it.
17:14:31 <rebelsky_> This is a new version of POSSE.
17:14:40 <rebelsky_> People liked the idea, but couldn't figure out what to do when they got home.
17:14:49 <rebelsky_> Stage three helps solve that.  A community of people to work with.
17:15:01 <rebelsky_> Early POSSE had very little to do with pedagogy or assignments.
17:15:09 <rebelsky_> They focused primarily on becoming open source participants.
17:16:20 <rebelsky_> It's important that we continue to try to continue momentum.
17:16:55 <rebelsky_> #topic Getting Started on Projects
17:16:59 <rebelsky_> We're getting back into groups.
17:17:17 <rebelsky_> Do we do groups based on the HFOSS project?
17:17:21 <rebelsky_> Or based on the classrooms?
17:17:26 <rebelsky_> So how do we organize ourselves?
17:17:48 <rebelsky_> Do we continue with the groups we were working on yesterday?
17:18:14 <rebelsky_> Another possibility is to organize by Geogrpahic location.
17:19:20 <rebelsky_> Gives an opportunity to support Hack-a-Thons and such.
17:20:09 <rebelsky_> We still need to share even if we're not physically close.  If you're doing a Hack-a-Thon, I still want to know about it and how you organized it.
17:20:19 <rebelsky_> And teachingopensource is the opportunity for that broadcast.
17:20:49 <rebelsky_> Choose a primary group.  And Greg's model is that that's the primary group.
17:22:21 <rebelsky> What are the questions that you want answered now and would have trouble getting answered later.
17:23:04 <rebelsky> We're educators.  We know how to do the class stuff.  But for many of these projects, we need more info on the technology.
17:24:17 <rebelsky> Remember; Being able to work face to face is a golden opportunity.  Take advantage of it.
17:25:26 <rebelsky> @action Break up into groups by software package.
17:25:42 <rebelsky> #action Break up into groups by software package.
17:25:53 <rebelsky> Oh boy!  It's a workshop evaluation form.
17:26:05 <rebelsky> #action Fill out the form (about an hour from now)
17:45:41 <pnutzh4x0r> stoneyj: http://timeside.googlecode.com/git-history/994b745dd577b2a0474492c56349e1edefaa3aa5/tests/api/gstreamer.py
17:52:02 <stoneyj> http://programmingcomputervision.com/downloads/ProgrammingComputerVision_CCdraft.pdf
17:53:59 <stoneyj> http://foss2serve.org/index.php/MouseTrap_Dev_Help/From_Scratch
17:55:39 <pnutzh4x0r> stoneyj: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/numm/0.3
18:21:11 <rebelsky> Time for one-minute reports from the individual groups.
18:21:44 <rebelsky> Our first folks walk out the door in an hour.  The plan is to hear a minute from each group and then talk about stage one and stage two.
18:22:09 <rebelsky> And then maybe another 30 minutes to continue working in our groups for plans that we're going to leave.
18:22:19 <rebelsky> OpenMRS report (Go Darci!)
18:22:37 <rebelsky> They've started a page for their team.  You can find at OpenMRSTeam.  Linked off of communities.
18:22:53 <rebelsky> Made some decisions about plans for moving forward.  Will meet weekly on Wednesdays.
18:23:01 <rebelsky> Will track the initial journey together.
18:23:09 <rebelsky> Find an initial issue.
18:23:12 <rebelsky> Record a process.
18:23:20 <rebelsky> And then have a product to share with students in winter, fall, or spring.
18:23:47 <rebelsky> Idea: Record screen shots and turn them into slides.
18:24:08 <rebelsky> How do you be productively lost?  Recoding what you've done is good for the students.
18:24:28 <rebelsky> Make sure to include dead ends so that students realize that the process is not always straightfoward.
18:24:31 <rebelsky> Gnome Accessibility.
18:24:33 <rebelsky> (Go Soney!)
18:24:40 <rebelsky> Two major components that they're going to be working on.
18:24:47 <rebelsky> First, get MouseTrap unstuck and working.
18:25:02 <rebelsky> Then students can latch on to it and add features and fix bugs and stuff.
18:25:11 <rebelsky> Talked about feasibility and such.
18:26:24 <rebelsky> There are two assistive technology platforms - one in KDE, one in Gnome.  Looking at alternative input for IDE.  Spoken for commands.  Dasher for code.
18:26:45 <rebelsky> (This project is Patti's.)
18:26:57 <rebelsky> One issue: Adding vocabulary and languages for LaTeX.
18:27:10 <rebelsky> Dasher does word completion, but needs this stuff.
18:27:15 <rebelsky> Patti's plan: Email lots of people.
18:27:27 <rebelsky> Sahana group
18:27:38 <rebelsky> They've been working on installing it and documenting questions and stuff as they go.
18:27:46 <rebelsky> Current plans are to move forward with that.
18:29:50 <rebelsky> Ushahidi group has been playing with install.
18:30:02 <rebelsky> Did some of Cam's cool assignments.
18:30:07 <rebelsky> Now we need to make plans as a team.
18:37:24 <rebelsky> Whoops ... Sam has been filling out the sheet rather than recording.
18:37:29 <rebelsky> #topic Debriefing
18:37:37 <rebelsky> Thoughts about phase 1?
18:37:46 <rebelsky> Time estimates were bad for many people, particularly novices.
18:38:08 <rebelsky> The time of the semester was bad.  Most of us are really busy at the end of spring semester.
18:38:29 <rebelsky> The activities were very valuable, particularly for new users.
18:38:44 <rebelsky> #action Move start date two weeks later.
18:39:48 <rebelsky> Some issues in the SourceForge activity.
18:40:16 <rebelsky> E.g., You could not tell what the different terms were (e.g., Alpha, pre=Alpha)
18:40:23 <rebelsky> Some did not have enough curriculum stuff.
18:40:44 <rebelsky> The issue of how to grade keeps coming up.  They'll send us some templates.
18:40:56 <rebelsky> When you come up with an assignment, distribute it to the group and ask for help on rubrics.
18:41:08 <rebelsky> Phase 2: We need one more day.  Time to plan.
18:41:28 <stoneyj> joanie: hi
18:42:12 <rebelsky> #idea Maybe include a hack-a-thon
18:42:30 <rebelsky> Unfortunately, there's not budget for one more day.  But maybe in future POSSEs.
18:43:08 <rebelsky> Can we have a place to hangout and chat (not just an IRC).  A virtual meeting.
18:44:07 <rebelsky> Remember: Folks tend to hang out in foss2serve.
18:44:23 <rebelsky> Drawing us in to the national day of hacking would have been cool.
18:45:01 <rebelsky> We could have roommates.
18:45:40 <rebelsky> Maybe we can do a hackathon with students next time.  E.g., for the next POSSE.
18:46:21 <pnutzh4x0r> !whois rebelsky -a
18:46:22 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, Grinnell College.
18:46:22 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, has 3 wonderful boys.
18:46:22 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, plays boards games to relax with the family.
18:46:22 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, likes to read.
18:46:22 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, finds work relaxing ... (workaholic).
18:46:23 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, is color deficient.
18:47:33 <rebelsky> pnutzh4x0r: Okay, so now can bobbit Google a picture and post a link?
18:47:49 <pnutzh4x0r> rebelsky: not yet
18:49:07 <rebelsky> Some found the evaluation activity a bit pointless because you had pre-evaluated the projects.
18:49:31 <rebelsky> Having developers here has been really useful.  Yay Joanie and Rsuehle!  (And a bit of Camm)
18:51:47 <rebelsky> How do we deal with being lecture-heavy, particularly since there are very different backgrounds?
18:51:48 <rebelsky> Video!
18:52:35 <rebelsky> Heidi says "Thank you very very much for being great participants"
18:52:42 <rebelsky> "Thank you to our leaders for excellent leadership."
18:53:28 <rebelsky> #topic The Ushahidi Group Plans ...
18:53:49 <rebelsky> Maybe some Google Hangout time.
18:53:59 <rebelsky> Let's pick a time to meet regularly.
18:54:35 <rebelsky> Pick a time and then pick a technology.
18:54:51 <rebelsky> We'll start by communicating on foss2serve.  And lets other people check in on us.
18:56:55 <rebelsky> Thursdays at 11am EDT (10am CDT, 9am MDT).
18:57:11 <rebelsky> We'll start with IRC.
18:58:08 <sean_> hello
18:59:51 <rebelsky> Homework!  Download the zombie dataset from foss2serve and import it into your virtual machine deployment.
19:00:56 <rebelsky> How do you get it onto the Web?  Run it on another machine and update the config.
19:01:06 <rebelsky> And it would also be good to try installing it again.
19:05:45 <sean_> https://wiki.ushahidi.com/display/WIKI/Configuring+Twitter+on+a+deployment
19:08:16 <rebelsky> Ushahidi Group's wiki is at http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Ushahidi
19:14:32 <rebelsky> A closed-source alternative: http://www.mapbox.com/
19:25:18 <rebelsky> #endmeeting