17:06:13 <heidie> #startmeeting
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17:06:14 <heidie> #link http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meetings_POSSE  for meeting agenda
17:06:15 <heidie> #topic  Update on Stage 3 small group progress
17:06:37 <heidie> Hmm, meetbot seems to be slow today.
17:06:59 <kwurst> It's the heat...
17:07:07 <heidie> :-)
17:07:34 <ghislop> OpenMRS update?
17:07:51 <becka> I would like to contribute to Open RS
17:08:02 <lorip> go for it becka!
17:08:06 <rebelsky> kwurst: Aren't you supposed to be on vacation at a lake?
17:08:20 <becka> Yesterday we had an IRC meeting and we were a great example of group working together
17:08:31 <heidie> Good!
17:08:34 <becka> I was having a problem installing Maven
17:08:40 <kwurst> rebelsky: Nope. That was last week. I'm at home...
17:08:53 <becka> Everyone in the meeting walked me through the set up
17:08:54 <rebelsky> becka: Is "we" the foss2serve OpenMRS team or the broader OpenMRS group?
17:09:06 * sbenthall shows up panting and slips quietly into the back
17:09:06 <becka> foss2serve
17:09:30 <becka> I ended up successfully installing maven :-)
17:10:11 <heidie> Good!
17:10:12 <ghislop> way to go team!
17:10:30 <darci> fyi...my response time is very slow. I see no activity for a bit and then a flood of activity.
17:10:39 <ghislop> Other OpenMRS news?
17:10:50 <rebelsky> darci: I'm encountering the same problem.
17:11:15 <lorip> I think that each of us has the dev environment installed or is in the process of installing it
17:11:48 <lorip> ben had developed a few activities and michelle was working through those
17:11:55 <heidie> Ah, good!
17:12:16 <lorip> according to an email from Ben, he and Matt met last week and are working on  POSSE proposal
17:12:21 <darci> Also, we are trying to determine if the existing instructions are sufficient, or if we should recommend newer, more-detailed instructions for getting the dev environment set up.
17:12:44 <becka> I think a couple of us are writing up the dev setup in more detail
17:13:05 <ghislop> this all sounds good.
17:13:08 <heidie> This all sounds good!
17:13:15 <darci> :-)
17:13:19 * heidie laughs
17:13:22 <ghislop> :-)
17:13:31 <ghislop> should we switch to the next group?
17:13:55 <ghislop> Ushahidi perhaps?
17:14:16 <rebelsky> #topic Ushahidi
17:14:30 <rebelsky> We've been having trouble with our regular meeting time.
17:14:40 <rebelsky> Usually we just have camm and one or two other people.
17:14:47 <rebelsky> Monisha has been having trouble connecting.
17:15:21 <kwurst> And, I've been unavailable for meetings until last week's
17:15:25 <heidie> I think that Monisha has figured out her connection issues.
17:15:29 <rebelsky> On a more individual note, my students and I seem to be making good progress.
17:15:40 <rebelsky> We've developed a simplified API for grabbing incidents from any Ushahidi server.
17:15:50 <heidie> Ah, cool!
17:15:50 <ghislop> Cool!
17:15:53 <rebelsky> We've negotiated with our director of community outreach to create a site that tracks where Grinnellians volunteer around the world.
17:15:55 <ghislop> :-)
17:16:18 * heidie looks up what "Grinnellians" means
17:16:20 <rebelsky> And they've build an Android app with places for students to plug in features (e.g., search an array, filter a list).
17:16:32 <rebelsky> (Whoops ... that's "built")
17:16:37 * heidie Ah, Grinnel alum
17:16:44 <rebelsky> "Grinnellian" == "Someone associated with the Grinnell community."
17:16:50 <heidie> Right. :-)
17:16:52 <rebelsky> We're including faculty, staff, and current students.
17:16:57 * becka thank heidie
17:17:18 <heidie> I was thinking of an obscure open source project that I hadn't heard of :-)
17:17:20 <rebelsky> And our director has lots of ideas for smaller class projects (or clients for smaller class projects).
17:17:44 <heidie> Ah, good! Sounds like you're got lots of opportunity.
17:18:13 <rebelsky> Yeah, I feel like we're on track for the course working in the fall.  (Although I may be a week ahead of the students in writing assignments :-)
17:18:44 <kwurst> I have not made much progress, since I have no summer students, and my course using Ushahidi isn't until Spring.
17:19:03 <kwurst> But, I did set myself a goal during our meeting last Thursday.
17:19:30 <heidie> ?
17:19:49 <kwurst> Our new server was just installed. I'm going to put up a VM with Ushahidi as a test instance.
17:20:44 <heidie> Good!
17:20:45 <kwurst> This is the same server that we've been running our test instance of OpenBlock on, and I think I may be able to interest the student testing out OpenBlock in trying out Ushahidi as well.
17:21:05 <rebelsky> kwurst: If you encounter some problems, let me know.  My students worked through all sorts of strange issues.
17:21:39 <kwurst> I think that both OpenBlock and Ushahidi may be useful in our WorcesterCentric hyper-local news source that we're setting up.
17:21:54 <rebelsky> Cool.
17:22:03 <kwurst> I think they may overlap in functionality in some areas, but complement each other in other ways.
17:22:27 <heidie> This all sounds good!
17:23:11 <kwurst> So, set up the VM, install Ushahidi, and see what it can do that might be useful to our Faculty Learning Community project on hyper-local news. That's the plan...
17:24:28 <kwurst> I think I'm be more tempted to play with Ushahidi if I have it running on its own server, rather than a VM on my own machine.
17:25:38 <heidie> OK, good.
17:25:46 <heidie> Anything else on Ushahidi?
17:25:47 <heidie> Camm?
17:26:16 <rebelsky> You can also set it up on crowdmap.com (which my students did when they wanted to do a quick demo).
17:26:16 <rebelsky> You get a little bit less control that way, but it's nice to get started.
17:26:16 <rebelsky> Nothing else from me.
17:27:05 <ghislop> How about Gnome?
17:27:15 <ghislop> Patti or Joanie?
17:27:21 <rebelsky_> #topic Gnome
17:28:00 <heidie> I can give a brief update on MouseTrap.
17:28:06 <Patti> I am working independently from the group because I am so new to it
17:28:25 <heidie> Logan appears to have the code Python 3 compliant and is now working on the part of the code that tracks facial featuers.
17:28:31 <heidie> What are you working on Patti?
17:28:34 <joanie> uhhhh... /me reads scrollback
17:29:15 <Patti> I am working on creating an interface for an IDE to help someone who is physically disabled...
17:29:34 <heidie> Good! How is it going?
17:30:04 <Patti> My student and I have met with the student and proposed the idea about using Dasher and Simon which was suggested by Joanie...
17:30:47 <Patti> So let me clarify... one of my students is severely disabled and I will refer to her as the client instead so it is not so confusing
17:31:22 <heidie> ah, OK
17:31:25 <Patti> My client has only one finger to use to program on right hand and finds Dasher too difficult to use
17:31:45 <heidie> Ah, got it.
17:32:03 <Patti> she prefers a virtual keyboard...
17:32:18 <rebelsky> Patti: I saw your post on the Gnome A11y mailing list.  Did you get some help?
17:32:38 <Patti> Yes, I did.
17:33:06 <Patti> people were very responsive but my client didn't like the approach with Dasher...
17:33:53 <Patti> so we are meeting with her this week to get the specifics and my student will post on the A11y mailing list to ask for recommendations...
17:34:40 <rebelsky> I like how you are working with the broader community (and encouraging your student to do the same).
17:35:25 <Patti> We see the GNOME has a virtual keyboard but looks like it is no longer active...
17:35:39 <Patti> Need to email Joanie about this...
17:35:52 <Patti> get some insight before we post
17:36:13 <joanie> Patti: caribou is still active
17:36:16 <Patti> that's about it...
17:36:28 <heidie> joanie: is caribou gnome 3 compliant?
17:36:29 <Patti> Great!
17:36:34 <joanie> https://git.gnome.org/browse/caribou
17:36:42 <joanie> Patti: it's THE gnome-3-compliant keyboard
17:37:45 <Patti> where can we get screenshots of Caribou...
17:38:58 <Patti> nevermind just googled it...
17:39:42 <heidie> Patti, I've had students work on Caribou a couple of years ago.
17:39:53 <joanie> heidie: code is totally different now
17:39:58 <joanie> including being written in vala
17:39:59 <heidie> Ah, OK.
17:40:01 <joanie> new maintainer
17:40:10 <joanie> etc.
17:40:10 <joanie> WAY different
17:40:10 <heidie> Right, forgot about that. You had mentioned.
17:40:49 <Patti> can we do multimodal with caribou to include voice recognition?
17:41:42 <joanie> Patti: well, caribou's keys are (I believe) exposed via at-spi2
17:41:50 <joanie> and Simon speaks AT-SPI2
17:41:55 <joanie> so probably so
17:42:00 <joanie> but you would need to ask
17:42:06 <Patti> great... will do...
17:42:20 <joanie> the caribou maintainer hangs out in #a11y on irc.gnome.org and his nick is ueno
17:42:24 <joanie> he is in Japan though
17:42:29 <joanie> so there's the timezone thang
17:42:45 <joanie> he's also on the gnome accessibility mailing list
17:43:00 <joanie> so as before, if you put the right stuff (e.g. Caribou bla bla bla) in the subject
17:43:03 <joanie> he's bound to see it
17:43:13 <joanie> and he's more responsive and another wicked nice person
17:43:28 <Patti> great... like wicked nice ;-)
17:43:31 <joanie> anyhoo, didn't mean to deep dive
17:43:37 <joanie> so I'll shut up
17:43:42 <joanie> ping me if you need more info though
17:43:48 <Patti> ok
17:43:57 <Patti> thanks
17:44:51 <heidie> Thanks joanie, your help is very much appreciated!
17:45:42 <joanie> :)
17:46:03 <ghislop> Do we have any other group reports?
17:46:25 <heidie> The Sahana group is making slow progress.
17:46:43 <rebelsky> #topic Sahana
17:46:52 <heidie> Sonal sent an email saying that she isn't going to try to do a full-course using Sahaha.
17:47:01 <heidie> Instead she is going to include smaller assignments into her fall course.
17:47:25 <heidie> And Howard is also interested in working with Sahana and is working on getting it installed.
17:47:44 <heidie> Not sure that the group is making progress as a group, but some progress is being made.
17:48:10 <ghislop> still good!
17:49:12 <ghislop> Next topic?
17:49:36 <heidie> NExt topic is funding for materials development.
17:49:47 <rebelsky> #topic Funding for Materials Development
17:50:02 <heidie> So just a reminder that if you're developing materials, please put together a proposal.
17:50:19 <ghislop> We have several drafts floating around that we know of...
17:50:25 <heidie> And contact an OpenFE member if you want help. We really want to have some visible outcomes of the project.
17:50:30 <ghislop> Feel free to share early drafts with us
17:50:36 <rebelsky> I don't think pnutzh4x0r is really here, but he was discussing working on materials that leverage his use of IRC.
17:50:50 <rebelsky> Primarily using IRC for virtual office hours and to provide a community for students to help each other.
17:51:03 * heidie thinks that rebelsky is doing a really good job of maintaining order in the meeting minutes.
17:51:14 <rebelsky> But I think he might also do something with the "write your own bots" assignments he's given.
17:51:21 <heidie> Ah, OK.
17:51:55 <rebelsky> Becka: Your proposal got mentioned at the start of the meeting.  Can you tell us about it?
17:53:38 <darci> becka may have gone back to her class
17:54:01 <heidie> #link http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/MorganProposal
17:54:43 <heidie> Looks like Becka is going to rewrite a combination undergrad/grad course on OSS.
17:56:01 <rebelsky> I like the structure of the learning outcomes.
17:56:45 <heidie> Yes. I wonder if this structure is something that comes from her environment.
17:57:25 <becka> I am back
17:57:38 <rebelsky> I like Bloom's taxonomy, but I'm bad at taking the time to express learning outcomes with it.
17:57:43 <heidie> Becka, do you want to summarize your proposal?
17:58:21 <becka> It is my intent to create a course that would be "packaged" so that an instructor could pick it up and run with it
17:58:45 <heidie> Ah, intersting
17:59:13 <rebelsky> Do you think you'll have a "textbook" and "instructor's guide"?
17:59:20 <becka> It  will provide pre set up peices for the instructor and assignments and rubrics for grading
17:59:49 <becka> Probably not a textbook because I have found teaching open source is too organic
18:00:35 <becka> but there will be a layout that can provide soe structure to being productively lost
18:00:45 <heidie> Good!
18:01:05 <ghislop> structured confusion!  I like that :-)
18:01:18 <becka> There will be an "instructors guide" that will help prepare the instructor for the course
18:01:39 <becka> Yes ghislop that is exactly what it is like
18:02:08 <becka> The idea is to give the instructor a tiny bit of a head start :-)
18:02:30 <rebelsky> When are you teaching the course?
18:02:38 <becka> Winter term
18:02:51 <becka> It replaces the course I originally taught in OSS
18:02:52 <ghislop> I forget... quarter terms?
18:03:03 <becka> yes ghislop
18:03:23 <rebelsky> Can I ask a tangential question?
18:03:30 <rebelsky> (Other than that one)
18:03:37 <becka> of course rebelsky
18:04:10 <rebelsky> Tangential question: We're taking students to Hopper this year.  Has onyone done the Hopper open source day before?  Should I encourage students to register?
18:04:29 <rebelsky> (And is anyone else from this group going to Hopper?)
18:04:37 <becka> I have a couple of years ago. the first year it was offered
18:04:39 <ghislop> Heidi has...
18:05:03 <rebelsky> heidie: Was the open source day a good experience?
18:05:18 <heidie> Yes, a huge success.
18:05:33 <becka> heidie, what year were you there?
18:05:40 <rebelsky> I'll push on my students (and any colleagues who are coming) to register, then.  Thanks.
18:05:40 <ghislop> I was on a FOSS panel there several years ago but haven't done the hackathon day
18:06:03 <heidie> I was present in 2010 and Joanie and I led a group working on GNOME a11y last year.
18:06:14 <lorip> bye everyone, I need to run...
18:06:21 <rebelsky> me too.
18:06:26 <ghislop> bye lorip
18:06:28 <darci> bye
18:06:30 <becka> See everyone next time
18:06:32 <heidie> I would highly suggest it. It allows folks to work on a project collaboratively and stretch their technical chops.
18:06:34 <heidie> Bye.
18:06:40 <heidie> So looks like we're done for now.
18:06:43 <darci> bye becka
18:06:44 <ghislop> #endmeeting
18:06:45 <rebelsky_afk_> Thanks!
18:06:57 <becka> :-) darci
18:06:59 <joanie> heidie: AND get ahem schwag ;)
18:07:00 <heidie> We're all hanging around in foss2serve if further questions arise.
18:07:02 <heidie> #endmeeting.