00:05:26 <heidie> #startmeeting 00:05:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Apr 18 00:05:26 2014 UTC. The chair is heidie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:05:26 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:05:29 <James_McGuffee> so, no cursing? 00:05:42 <heidie> :-) 00:05:51 <heidie> Only what you'd want your mom to see. 00:06:02 <heidie> That's what I tell my students when they're picking team names. 00:06:10 <heidie> The agenda for the meeting is here: 00:06:13 <heidie> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1 00:06:34 <JimK> What is the command #halp? 00:06:45 <heidie> Umm, I think it iis like "help". 00:06:50 <heidie> Try it and see! 00:07:00 <james_walden> #halp 00:07:03 <JimK> #halp 00:07:06 <james_walden> \halp 00:07:20 <heidie> You're using it correctly 00:07:29 <wardj1> \help 00:07:46 <suzanne> try the other way slash 00:07:59 <James_McGuffee> #info James McGuffee, Faculty and Chair in Computer Science Dept., College of Informatics, Northern Kentucky University (approx. 5 miles south of downtown Cincinnati) 00:08:03 <heidie> The "halp" command uses the hash as it is a meetbot command. 00:08:10 <heidie> #halp startmeeting 00:08:21 <heidie> Hmmm, doesn't seem to be working. 00:08:27 <berkowitz> Hello everyone 00:08:30 <darci> #halp #info 00:08:49 <heidie> A bit of googling appears to indicate that it should provide help for a specific commannd, but doesn't appear to be working. 00:09:04 <heidie> OK, I'm going to suggest that we go to the first item on our agenda and do introductions. 00:09:10 <JimK> #halp #halp 00:09:13 <James_McGuffee> ---- #info is a tag the meetbot uses to record information from meeting, I think it might be useful for "roll call" 00:09:21 <heidie> Please use the #info before your introduction to get your infor in a formatted form. 00:09:22 <James_McGuffee> I think that because I lurked Monday's meeting 00:09:35 <suzanne> #info Suzanne Mello-Stark, University of Rhode Island, Computer Science Dept, done with my taxes 00:09:36 <heidie> Yes James_McGuffee Good suggestion! 00:09:44 <berkowitz> #info 00:10:04 <james_walden> #info James Walden, NKU CS, associate professor and security researcher 00:10:33 <baochuan> #info Baochuan Lu, computer science department, Southwest Baptist University. 00:10:47 <Alex_Rmezei> #info Razvan Alex. Mezei, Assistant Professor, Lenoir-Rhyne University 00:10:49 <JimK> #info Jim Kiper, Miami University, Professor and Chair 00:11:15 <wardj1> #info Jeff Ward, NKU CS, associate professor (yes, three from our dept) 00:11:33 <lorip> #info Lori Postner, Nassau Community College, member of the foss2serve team 00:11:44 <darci> #info Darci Burdge, Nassau Community College, Professor and member of the foss2serve team 00:11:45 <berkowitz> #info Eric Berkowitz, Rosevelt University, Professor and Chair 00:12:00 <JimK> NKU is Northern KY? 00:12:05 <wardj1> yes 00:12:18 <James_McGuffee> yes, so that's 4 from Greater Cincy area 00:12:19 <heidie> #info Heidi Ellis, Western New England University and member of the foss2serve team 00:12:27 <heidie> That's good! 00:12:51 <JimK> I should visit NKU sometime 00:12:57 <James_McGuffee> fyi for rest of group, Miami of Ohio is just a bit north of the city of Cincinnati 00:13:14 <James_McGuffee> Yes, Jim, you have an open invitation to come see us anytime! 00:13:25 <heidie> Ah, yes, Miami of Ohio has a very nice campus. 00:13:29 <JimK> in Oxford. I think Oxford UK was named for Oxford OH :) 00:13:33 <heidie> I have visited twice and enjoyed it. 00:14:03 <heidie> So how many folks are already familiar with IRC? 00:14:12 <wardj1> not me 00:14:20 <JimK> barely 00:14:22 <suzanne> I cannot believe I haven’t used it before. 00:14:36 <Alex_Rmezei> i got a little more familiar at the beginning of this week. 00:14:45 <suzanne> I have been lurking all week 00:14:51 <james_walden> I haven't used it since the early 1990s. 00:14:57 <baochuan> started yesterday 00:14:59 <James_McGuffee> It was how I found my first girlfriend back in 1992 - but that just makes me old 00:15:07 <heidie> Ah, good. Super that you've all tried it out. 00:15:15 <heidie> Many, but not all FOSS projects use IRC. 00:15:41 <heidie> Seems "old school", but it has really low bandwidth and works in areas of the world where bandwidth is low. 00:16:01 <heidie> What questions do folks have about IRC, how it works, or how it is used? 00:16:40 * heidie wonders if folks know about "asides"? 00:16:45 <suzanne> when you log out, do the chats go away? 00:17:03 <berkowitz> None really. Reminds me of reading mail with "mail" quite quaint and nastalgic 00:17:07 * Alex_Rmezei I do - thanks to heide :) 00:17:08 * James_McGuffee wonders what an aside is 00:17:22 <JimK> It seems that the biggest advantage over a teleconference (in addition to bandwidth) is that you can mine it for info after 00:17:36 <suzanne> if you don’t turn on the meeting bot, are the chats saved? 00:17:41 <James_McGuffee> that and you can attend the meeting in your pjs 00:17:50 <suzanne> well just the commands are saved correct? 00:18:21 <heidie> An aside is a comment or thought that is not meant to be part of the main conversation, but conveys action or thought by the user. 00:18:28 <james_walden> There's been some irc mining research, such as http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1591145 00:18:46 <heidie> In chatzilla, the way you can do this is using the /me command at the beginning of a line. 00:18:57 <james_walden> I like old school. FB is just a network of .plan files, right? 00:19:11 <heidie> suzanne: Usually the chats are not saved unless the meetbot is on. 00:19:21 <heidie> :-) 00:19:39 <heidie> But one should always assume that chats are public. 00:20:34 <heidie> The notes from our previous meetings are here: 00:20:37 <heidie> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/ 00:20:59 <james_walden> How is foss2serve related to Fedora? 00:21:38 <heidie> Ah, foss2serve is not directly related to Fedora, but POSSE is supported by Red Hat. 00:22:21 <heidie> foss2serve is a subset of the teachingopensource community. we have some NSF funding to provide workshops to instructors. 00:22:44 <heidie> We're using the Professor's Open Source Summer Experience (POSSE) as a mechanism to do this. 00:22:57 <heidie> POSSE was originally created by Red Hat's education outreach team. 00:23:03 <heidie> We've built on it and extended it. 00:23:19 * heidie thinks she should have used the #info tag for all of this. 00:23:28 <heidie> #info foss2serve is a subset of the teachingopensource community. we have some NSF funding to provide workshops to instructors. 00:23:39 <heidie> #info We're using the Professor's Open Source Summer Experience (POSSE) as a mechanism to do this. 00:23:48 <heidie> #info POSSE was originally created by Red Hat's education outreach team. 00:23:55 <heidie> #info We've built on it and extended it. 00:24:01 <heidie> Ah, that's better. 00:24:11 <JimK> What does that add? 00:24:33 <heidie> So the #info puts the information into the formatted notes. 00:24:36 <JimK> I mean the #info tag? 00:24:38 <heidie> I'll get an example. 00:25:14 <heidie> Here is an example of formatted notes: 00:25:16 <heidie> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/2013-05-31/foss2serve.2013-05-31-16.04.html 00:25:26 <berkowitz> Will the actual conference be branded Redhat? I use Linux but my last official release of Redhat I used was Redhat 5.2 00:25:32 <heidie> The #info put the information under each of the sections. 00:25:48 <JimK> Very nice 00:25:50 <heidie> berkowitz You are free to use whatever operating system you would like. 00:26:07 <heidie> The corresponding raw log is: 00:26:09 <heidie> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/2013-05-31/foss2serve.2013-05-31-16.04.log.html 00:26:16 <heidie> Which is much more difficult to read. :-) 00:26:50 <heidie> berkowitz I'm using Fedora 18 (and should upgrade to 20), but other folks are using Ubuntu and we've got one POSSE alumna who is using Windows. 00:27:14 <heidie> Red Hat is simply supplying a person to help out. 00:27:40 <heidie> Ooops! I forgot to set the topic. I should have started the meeting by: 00:27:43 * James_McGuffee thinks he should not have pressed THAT button on chatzilla 00:27:45 <heidie> #topic Introductions 00:28:02 * heidie chuckles along with James_McGuffee 00:28:03 <JimK> Thank you Red Hat 00:28:23 <heidie> Yes, they've been nicely supportive. they might even bring opensource.com T-shirts if we're lucky! 00:28:47 <heidie> So now let's see what questions folks have so I'll change the topc. 00:28:51 <heidie> #topic Questions 00:29:00 <heidie> Do folks know how to change your nick? 00:29:15 <James_McGuffee> I have a logistics question about POSSE 00:29:16 <JimK> 06Review that please 00:29:33 * James_McGuffee can wait till it's time to ask those questions 00:29:56 <lorip> try using the /nick command 00:30:07 <suzanne> The hardest part about the commands is to remember to use the other slash 00:30:16 <heidie> Yes, right. 00:30:20 <lorip> this will let you change your current name 00:30:32 <heidie> Sure James_McGuffee, what is the question. 00:30:43 <heidie> ? 00:31:06 <JimK> 05Did you all see this line in another color? I am discovering things about my IRC client. 00:31:27 <lorip> yes, how did you do that JimK? 00:31:32 <heidie> Yes, jimk the "Review" line is in purple and the most recent one is marroon. 00:31:35 <suzanne> Good job JimK! How did you di it? 00:31:39 <suzanne> do it? 00:31:57 <heidie> :-) 00:32:18 <JimK> There is just a button by my text entry box to change text color. 00:32:27 <James_McGuffee> POSSE question - basic logisitcs. So, now that I've bought my airline ticket, where do I send (electronic) receipt and other stuff like that. 00:32:39 * lorip thinking - it IRC case sensitive? is there a difference between jimk and JimK? 00:32:40 <JimK> 01,13And background color 00:33:18 <suzanne> I am using Colloquy for the Mac. 00:33:22 <darci> JimK: Which client are you using? 00:33:33 <James_McGuffee> I DO realize (from a previous NSF) workshop that turnaround time can take some time, so this is not a "I need something now" issue more of a what/when do I do question 00:33:44 <suzanne> 9Testing a crazy green color 00:33:48 <lorip> heidie - correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that all receipts should be kept until after POSSE and then submitted 00:33:54 <heidie> James_McGuffee: Keep the original receipt 00:33:59 <heidie> And yes ^ 00:34:08 <heidie> The ^ indicates to read up for an answer. 00:34:27 <James_McGuffee> if the receipt is ONLY electronic that's original - hope; airlines don't send paper receipts anymore 00:34:37 <heidie> Right. That's fine. 00:34:50 <heidie> But Drexel may require you to print it out. "-) 00:34:52 <heidie> :-) 00:35:40 <James_McGuffee> another question, If I've finished most but not all of part 1 by this meeting BUT will finish that part by the weekend; how much trouble am I in for not meeting "to the letter" the April 17th deadline? 00:36:05 * James_McGuffee thinks he'll print out all he can before flying to Philadelphia 00:36:22 <darci> Auto complete for nicks is also useful. You can for example type Al then press tab. Auto complete will fill in the rest so that you get Alex_Rmezei 00:36:36 <heidie> James_McGuffee: Not a big deal. We built in a bit of flex as we know that folks are busy. As long as you are generally on track you'll be fine. 00:36:48 <suzanne> What time is everyone arriving and leaving 00:36:48 <JimKiper> 06Have you told us what to do about housing? 00:37:09 <suzanne> I can’t seem to find the logistics 00:37:09 <heidie> We're in the process of getting a hotel room block and we'll make those arrangements. 00:37:28 <heidie> suzanne: Make your plane or train reservation, we'll take care of housing. 00:37:32 <James_McGuffee> and my Tuesday night question, too *hopes* 00:37:51 <heidie> Yes, James_McGuffee, I think that Greg answered your Tuesday night question. 00:38:00 <James_McGuffee> fyi for group, I saved approx $300 in airfare by arriving 10pm Tues night 00:38:11 <heidie> The train arrives about four blocks from Drexel suzanne. So that might be an option if it isn't too long. 00:38:15 <James_McGuffee> he said he "might", I hadn't heard from him definitively 00:38:26 <heidie> I find that taking the train from Hartford is very convenient. 00:38:46 <suzanne> That sounds fun. I think that would be a great option. 00:38:53 <heidie> takes about the same time as a plane with less security and more comfort. Amtrak has internet and plugs. 00:39:06 <lorip> the train is great - we did it from NY last year 00:39:12 <heidie> And it is an easy walk from the station to Drexel. 00:39:20 <suzanne> Perfect. That is what I am doing then 00:39:27 <heidie> :-) You may have to get up early. 00:39:30 <JimKiper> NKU folks, have you bought your plane ticket? 00:39:30 <heidie> But it is fun. 00:39:40 <james_walden> Not yet. 00:39:43 <James_McGuffee> I was sad to learn that the Airline-to-train connection from Newark "program" seemed to have gone away (within last two weeks) 00:39:56 <James_McGuffee> I have Jim 00:40:24 <Alex_Rmezei> I also bought my plane ticket 00:40:27 <suzanne> Are the dates and times of the meetings posted somewhere? I can’t seem to find them 00:40:30 <Jeff_Ward> I’ve bought mine. Taking same flights as James_McGuffee. 00:40:32 * Alex_Rmezei feeling excited :-) 00:40:34 <JimKiper> Can you send that info? I have not bought mine yet. 00:40:39 <heidie> Good! We like excitement! 00:41:13 <heidie> We ran a POSSE last year and we found that the IRC meetings allowed folks to get to know each other before the face-to-face meeting and made that go very smoothly. 00:41:19 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/POSSE_Announcement 00:41:35 <Jeff_Ward> JimKiper, sure thing. 00:41:42 <lorip> that's the general information - heidie, is there something more recent? 00:41:52 <JimKiper> Thanks 00:41:52 <heidie> lorip: Nope, nothing more recent. 00:42:01 <baochuan> This sounds a fun group. Unfortunately I will miss the face-to-face meeting as I will be out of the country. 00:43:01 <berkowitz_> Lost my internet connection. Back on another one now. 4G is not what it promises. 00:43:03 <darci> baochuan: we will miss you, but can always stay connected 00:43:09 <baochuan> I have bought my ticket to visit family and friends in China. 00:43:11 <heidie> We'll miss you! But definitely keep in touch withus. 00:43:12 <baochuan> I will. 00:43:19 <heidie> Ah, yes. Family does trump. 00:43:54 <darci> Last year we had someone who posted most of what we were doing on the IRC channel, so listen in. 00:44:07 <James_McGuffee> just checking, JimKiper did you see all the info I sent you in private channel (re: flight numbers and stuff)? 00:44:36 <JimKiper> Yes I did. Thanks, 00:45:38 <James_McGuffee> you know, instead of getting a room Tuesday night, we could just go Philly sight seeing overnight 00:46:08 <Jeff_Ward> Knock yourself out 00:46:09 <James_McGuffee> CS profs from MidWest invade the city of brotherly love 00:46:39 <JimKiper> It might not be pretty! 00:46:44 <James_McGuffee> I sure wish there was a /sarcasm command so everyone could hear tone 00:46:45 <heidie> But fun! 00:46:55 <berkowitz_> The tone was clear. 00:47:10 <berkowitz_> You could use emoticons 00:47:13 <suzanne> we can always add commands and write a paper about it 00:47:23 <heidie> Right! 00:47:34 <Alex_Rmezei> :-) 00:47:53 <heidie> Or you can use parens: blah, blah (sarcasm) 00:48:08 <James_McGuffee> okay, question here, are there any "known" participants that aren't on the wiki listing yet? (i.e. who are we missing)? 00:48:24 <James_McGuffee> re: http://foss2serve.org/index.php/POSSE_201405_Participants 00:48:27 * heidie looks at the wiki 00:49:10 <James_McGuffee> also curious, which HFOSS did everyone choose, I picked OpenMRS 00:49:22 * Alex_Rmezei picked sahana 00:49:28 <heidie> Well.... It does appear that JimKiper hasn't shown up on the wiki yet. 00:49:31 <heidie> :-) 00:49:48 <heidie> And we do have one other person who has not appeared on the wiki nor in an IRC meeting. 00:50:16 <JimKiper> I asked Greg for log in info. I don't think that I have it -- at least I cannot find it. 00:50:27 <heidie> Ah, OK. 00:50:28 <suzanne> I am hoping to connect a group of students with Gnome mousetrap 00:50:44 <suzanne> But I am “productively lost” 00:50:53 <heidie> Ah, good! 00:50:54 <lorip> suzanne: any chance you'll be at CCSC NE next week? 00:51:26 <suzanne> No I am not. That is at Providence College right? 00:51:27 <James_McGuffee> Jim Kiper's name is NOW on the wiki 00:51:29 <Jeff_Ward> I’m still looking at the projects. I think we’re supposed to get guidance on project selection in Part C. 00:51:43 <lorip> yes, there is a mousetrap hackathon 00:51:53 <suzanne> Oh, well maybe I will go 00:52:06 <JimKiper> 04,08Magic 00:52:09 <heidie> :-) 00:52:15 <heidie> Yes, we would love to have you! 00:52:25 <darci> suzanne: There is also a workshop at CCSC NE 00:52:25 * lorip looking for the link for suzanne 00:52:27 <suzanne> I will have to check dates. Next week is the last week of class for us and I have a STEM conference 00:52:43 <lorip> http://ccscne.org/conferences/ccscne2014/ 00:52:47 <heidie> Ah, OK. 00:52:48 <lorip> oops 00:52:51 <lorip> #link http://ccscne.org/conferences/ccscne2014/ 00:52:57 <suzanne> Thank you! 00:53:00 <berkowitz_> Do people in this group work on focusing non cs/math students on OSS? 00:53:11 <heidie> There is a workshop Friday morning 9=12 and the hackfest is 2:30-midnight (at the latest) 00:53:15 <lorip> #link http://ccscne.org/participate/hackfest/ 00:53:22 <JimKiper> I need to go. This has been helpful. Is there anything else Heidi? 00:53:29 <suzanne> One of my colleagues is presenting a paper there as well. 00:53:32 <James_McGuffee> anyone from foss2serve want to propose a project for CCSC-MidWest ; the proposal deadline has passed but the tutotials/workshops chair is a pushover 00:53:53 <heidie> Where is CCSC-Midwest? 00:54:14 <lorip> berkowitz_ can you elaborate a bit - I'm not sure I understand your question 00:54:31 <heidie> JimKiper: Sure, go. Nice to chat with you! 00:54:49 <heidie> Some of us usually hang out in the foss2serve channel so feel free to check in whenever. 00:54:51 <James_McGuffee> Eric, we have a lot of CIT students and I hope to involve them; are you referring to any general student? 00:55:00 <heidie> Also feel free to ask questions of us as you're going through activities. 00:55:06 <JimKiper> OK 00:55:14 <berkowitz_> I do a lot with students in the social sciences and humanities trying to connect them with OSS even the the technical aspects are not of interest them. 00:55:18 <James_McGuffee> CCSC MW is this fall at Olivet Nazarene - south suburb of Chicago 00:55:28 <heidie> Ah, OK. 00:55:38 <heidie> When is it? 00:55:45 <lorip> #link http://www.ccsc.org/midwest/conference/ 00:56:06 <James_McGuffee> Sept. 19-20, http://www.ccsc.org/midwest/conference/ 00:56:14 * heidie Thinks that lorip is so efficient!! 00:56:23 * heidie as is James_McGuffee 00:56:29 * lorip it is all a facade! 00:56:33 <James_McGuffee> btw, I am the workshops/tutorials chair - in case that wasn't clear 00:56:35 <heidie> :-) 00:56:46 <heidie> How many folks do you usually get at CCSC-MidWest? 00:57:06 <James_McGuffee> but our conf planning meeting is April 26th so I would need to know ASAP 00:57:07 <suzanne> Clear as \sarcasim 00:57:07 <Alex_Rmezei> anyone attending the CCSC SE? :-P 00:58:30 <lorip> Alex_Rmezei: nope, sorry 00:58:48 <suzanne> Where is CCSC SE? 00:58:54 <James_McGuffee> CCSC MW had about 160 in Findlay Ohio last year 00:59:00 <Alex_Rmezei> this year it should be in Charleston 00:59:03 <Alex_Rmezei> SC 00:59:11 <James_McGuffee> about 90 faculty (and a LOT of students at programming contest) 00:59:14 <heidie> Oh, 160 is good! 00:59:46 <heidie> Ah, I can't travel at that time, but you could run a workshop. 00:59:57 <heidie> All of the POSSE materials are CC licensed and you can use them! 01:00:15 <James_McGuffee> I think Jim Kiper could do it, I mean I'm not hearing him say no 01:00:51 <heidie> :-) 01:00:52 <James_McGuffee> would anyone else be interested in leading a workshop 01:01:00 * James_McGuffee looks at Walden and Ward 01:01:14 <lorip> unfortunately I won't be available either 01:01:47 * heidie Thinks that James_McGuffee has exactly the right idea about trying to spread the word. 01:01:49 <james_walden> I'm interested. We should talk tomorrow or next week. 01:02:03 <James_McGuffee> :) 01:02:15 <heidie> We'll help as much as we can from afar. 01:02:42 <James_McGuffee> tall associate professors of CS at NKU with facial hair are awesome! 01:02:54 <Jeff_Ward> amen 01:03:17 <heidie> :-) 01:03:24 * lorip looking at the time 01:03:28 <heidie> OK, it is now after 9:00 p.m. eastern 01:03:33 <lorip> I am going to have to sign off 01:03:37 <heidie> And I need to go eat my steak dinner. 01:03:41 <heidie> So I'm going to end the meeting. 01:03:44 <suzanne> Yummy 01:03:44 <heidie> #endmeeting