19:04:49 <darci> #startmeeting
19:04:49 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 28 19:04:49 2014 UTC.  The chair is darci. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:05:29 <darci> #Overview
19:05:36 <darci> #topic Overview
19:05:42 <rebelsky> camm: The PDF is free.  Just click "Download".  (I hope NRC also allows free downloads for Canadians, but since you're in the US right now, they probably can't tell the difference anyway.)
19:05:54 <darci> rebelsky: good to 'see' you
19:06:20 <lorip> background on HFOSS and how various pieces fit together
19:06:38 <lorip> introduction of the OpenFE Team members
19:07:06 <darci> #info background on HFOSS and how various pieces fit together
19:07:16 <darci> #info introduction of the OpenFE Team members
19:07:36 <lorip> #info and introduction of associated colleagues - Karl, Joanie, Bryan and Cam
19:07:59 * lorip oops forgot the info tag
19:08:06 <darci> :-)
19:08:46 <lorip> #link http://opensource.com/
19:09:33 <lorip> #link http://opensource.com/education/14/5/open-education-event-posse-2014
19:09:57 <lorip> article posted yesterday by Bryan
19:10:04 <semioticrobotic> lorip: thanks
19:10:07 * semioticrobotic blushes
19:11:26 <darci> #info Also a representative from Ushahidi - Sara-Jayne Farmer Terp
19:13:46 <lorip> Sara has a very cool background - she worked for the UN and also worked with the Haiti earthquake groups
19:15:22 <semioticrobotic> #link http://ushahidi.com/
19:15:30 <lorip> #link http://producingoss.com/
19:15:42 <bodacea> And pretty much every major disaster since then.
19:16:17 <lorip> #link http://www.theopensourceway.org/
19:16:32 <bodacea> The art of communities is also good - Jono Bacon book, online...
19:16:44 <lorip> #link http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/
19:17:09 <bodacea> http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/ (Jono Bacon book - he also runs a free workshop before every OSCON conference)
19:17:35 <semioticrobotic> #link http://opensource.com/resources/ebooks
19:17:51 <lorip> #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1rDkolRvwo
19:20:43 <lorip> watching ruth's you tube video on explaining open source through pop culture references
19:22:24 <bodacea> I like that "what did you do, how did you do it, what did you learn"
19:28:56 <ghislop> suehle:  Hi Ruth!!
19:29:14 <ghislop> We just watched the video of you explaining open source...
19:31:26 <suehle> Hello!
19:31:35 <bodacea> Ruth?  Great video!
19:33:59 <bodacea> Open data definition: http://opendefinition.org/od/ - v similar to FOSS
19:54:14 <lorip> #info moving on to Examples of HFOSS in Education
19:54:36 <semioticrobotic> darci: topci change in meeting?
19:54:45 <darci> #topic Examples of HFOSS in Education
19:56:17 <darci> #info Challenges in student participation
19:57:17 <darci> What do we do when students 'mess things up'?
19:57:56 <darci> Answer: version control
19:58:40 <rebelsky> Treat it as a learning experience?  Hope that the problem is identified before the code gets submitted upstream.
19:59:19 <darci> Rely on the community.
20:00:34 <lorip> What about the students' work reflecting poorly on the institution?
20:01:19 <camm> you come up with the word and then make up the individual words to fit the acronym
20:01:29 <camm> oops, my mistake
20:06:01 <darci> Finding other ways for students to become involved - http://xcitegroup.org/softhum/doku.php?id=f:50ways
20:06:18 <bodacea> xcitegroup.org/softhum/doku.php?id=f:50ways
20:06:26 <bodacea> Snap!
20:10:11 <darci> #info Activity Structure
20:11:04 <darci> Students can work alone or with others.
20:11:40 <darci> Determine what the deliverables are and what results are expected.
20:13:23 <darci> Students will often have to learn about tools and technologies that they are unfamiliar with.
20:14:02 <darci> Activites also promote the building of soft skills.
20:50:48 <darci> When assigning activities it is important to be comfortable in a co-learner environment. You won't always have complete control.
20:51:10 <darci> You can and should determine what learning outcomes are desired.
20:52:08 <darci> Camm's story: One student's perspective on his class.
20:52:22 <darci> #link http://aciil-stuff.blogspot.ca/2014/02/normal-0-false-false-false-en-ca-x-none.html
22:25:27 <darci> #topic Project Introduction and Selection
22:26:29 <darci> How do you select an HFOSS project that will work in your environment?
22:29:01 <darci> #link
22:29:05 <darci> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Projects
22:29:29 <darci> #link http://ghmain.ischool.drexel.edu/temp/index.php/HFOSS_Projects
22:29:50 <darci> Please share links to others if you know of any.
22:31:12 <darci> We are especially interested in ecology projects.
22:33:03 <darci> #info Evaluation factors
22:34:00 <darci> Consider size, activity, scale, community, as well as maturity and domain.
22:34:40 * joanie points out https://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/health/ to ghislop for the foss2serve table-in-progress he mentions
22:40:06 <darci> Sara's list of projects...
22:40:39 <darci> #link http://opencrisis.org/organisations/crisis-tool-building-groups/
23:08:43 <bodacea> Gnome is more of an ecosystem of communities... impressive.
23:10:15 <bodacea> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8qJNtN7r_s
23:17:27 <camm> ^ Dasher video
23:19:11 <heidie> Yes, one of the benefits of working in GNOME is that you can select from a variety applications to find a project that fits your needs.
23:35:25 <semioticrobotic> And students can minor in open source
23:35:28 <semioticrobotic> http://www.rit.edu/news/story.php?id=50590
23:35:51 <semioticrobotic> ...with RIT's new open source minor
01:49:52 <rebelsky> camm: Do you know why wiki.ushahidi.com is down?
01:50:18 <rebelsky> I'm doing a new installation from scratch, and wanted to look up some things.
09:54:35 <bodacea> Morning all
11:01:28 <semioticrobotic> Morning, friends!
12:54:20 <camm> hello semioticrobotic, sorry we weren't online at 5 :)
12:54:41 <camm> er, I guess that's more like 7
12:55:41 <semioticrobotic> camm: I'm a dedicated POSSE'er!
12:57:35 <darci> #topic HFOSS in the Curriculum
12:58:45 <semioticrobotic> Luis Ibanez:
12:58:47 <semioticrobotic> #link https://opensource.com/users/luis-ibanez
13:00:56 <lorip> #info - Karl taught a freshman seminar on openness
13:03:04 <lorip> #info also a non-majors course using Python as well as a capstone course
13:06:21 <darci> #info they found it helpful to push some of the tools, for example git, down into earlier courses in the curriculum.
13:08:45 <camm> #info be careful if allowing students to freely choose projects
13:10:25 <semioticrobotic> #info In mid-level project courses, HFOSS work is easier; tools and field trips are more feasible, but real participation still difficult
13:13:27 <lorip> discussion about code review - possibilities include bringing in guest lecturers, see what's been done in open source projects, have students review each other code
13:15:16 <semioticrobotic> Open source helps students learn how to learn, how to work through new problems and design new approaches
13:20:09 <semioticrobotic> "open source" is an ethic, an ethos, a set of values
13:20:12 <semioticrobotic> #link opensource.com
13:27:49 <darci> Motivation for HFOSS across the curriculum includes motivation, promoting knowlege of open source ideas in general, gaining a better understanding of why tools such as git are needed, and an application of software engineering principles
13:32:46 <lorip> #info need to raise students' awareness about open source in general
13:38:40 <lorip> #info HFOSS can also be used outside the traditional curriculum
13:39:30 <lorip> #link http://openhatch.org/
13:44:25 <lorip> #link http://gwob.org/
13:58:23 <darci> Paid vs. Volunteer Work in pen Source
13:58:33 <darci> #link http://dirkriehle.com/uploads/2013/08/paid-v8-final-web.pdf
14:01:23 <lorip> this looks like an interesting conference #link http://www.humanitariantechnology.org/
14:02:37 <darci> #topic Understanding Open Source Communities
14:04:28 <lorip> Sara put a number of very interesting links on the titanpad - see #link https://titanpad.com/POSSE1405 and look for Sara's world
14:06:22 <semioticrobotic> Sara's World! Sara's World! Party Time! Excellent!
14:06:43 <lorip> semioticrobotic: :)
14:08:09 <James_M> party on semioticrobotic
14:08:25 <semioticrobotic> party on James_M
14:08:36 <James_M> we'rer not worthy
14:11:04 <darci> When trying to get involved with an open source community, look for a communit director.
14:11:21 <darci> #community
14:17:17 <lorip> #info students are not happy being productively lost (or being told that they are going to be productively lost)
14:18:41 <semioticrobotic> #info make sure students understand that their being "productively lost" won't negatively affect their respective grades
14:18:50 <stoney> #info get lost with students early to get familiar with the process
14:19:35 <semioticrobotic> #info let students see their instructor get productively lost
14:21:23 <lorip> #info make sure you give back - there are many ways you can do this - documentation, reviews, testing, answering questions
14:22:54 <darci> Regarding assessment: should the first submission be graded or should students be allowed to submit until the submission is 'perfect'?
14:23:37 <lorip> I really like the idea of letting students redo something until they have an A
14:23:59 <lorip> the question I have is how much time does it take a continually regrade something?
14:24:49 <stoney> @lorip add student review to the process... i.e., make them "regrade" using the same rubric
14:25:09 <James_M> what if you don't assign a grade until teh end , you have students redo until correct and make "redo" part of the grading rubric
14:25:10 <lorip> stoney - good idea!
14:25:12 <stoney> oh... and give them credit for that part too
14:25:20 <James_M> in intermmediate steps PEER STUDENT REVIEW
14:25:40 <James_M> students are more involved yet leaving it as review students aren't actually assigning grades
14:25:48 <stoney> @James_M exactly
14:26:40 <lorip> what if students aren't getting the best feedback?  when does the faculty member intervene?
14:27:40 <stoney> review their reviews...
14:28:05 <stoney> ask for a short list of what came out of a review
14:28:23 <lorip> do you have any examples of this stoney?
14:28:35 <stoney> not really
14:28:39 <stoney> but if you have a rubric
14:28:45 <stoney> they should be marking up the rubric
14:28:53 <stoney> actually... i lied...
14:28:56 <stoney> I do have examples
14:29:26 <stoney> I have students do peer evaluation of teamwork after each major section/chapter
14:29:46 <stoney> it's not code they are reviewing... but team effort
14:29:57 <stoney> let me find my instrument
14:31:43 <stoney> hm... where do i put this?
14:32:02 <semioticrobotic> Check out this stylin' dude: https://www.facebook.com/opensourceway/photos/a.10150600174358057.405085.162962298056/10152434642868057/?type=1
14:32:04 <darci> on the titan pad?
14:32:13 <semioticrobotic> stoney knows what's what
14:32:26 <stoney> need to post a word doc
14:32:41 <darci> nice pic!
14:33:17 <stoney> wuhoo! :)
14:36:39 <stoney> here's the instrument http://stoney.zapto.org/~hjackson/teamworkAssessment.docx
14:36:50 <stoney> If you have teams of 3
14:36:56 <stoney> with 30 students (ick)
14:37:11 <stoney> that's only 10 things you have to look at to see if good reviews are occuring
14:37:40 <lorip> stoney: thank you!
14:37:42 <James_M> is that two (i.e. the num read as niary)
14:37:45 <James_M> #binary
14:40:09 * shadowhand waves at camm
14:45:32 <lorip> #info look for a community that has a code of conduct and a community director
14:46:26 <semioticrobotic> #info the work isn't finished until it's been properly (gracefully) handed off
14:47:22 <lorip> I haven't been able to find a code of conduct on the OpenMRS site - has anyone seen one elsewhere?
15:03:41 <kwurst> lorip: OpenMRS Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/docs/Code+of+Conduct
15:40:45 <joanie> https://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/health/'
15:41:02 <joanie> https://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/health/
15:41:40 <joanie> https://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/health/
15:44:27 <semioticrobotic> joanie: What happens in POSSE stays in POSSE
15:44:48 <Alex_Rmezei> roger that :)
15:45:07 <stoneyj> https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeLove
15:51:23 <stoneyj> mentor's page https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeLove/Mentors
15:52:38 <joanie> and the getting started stuff: https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeLove
16:03:34 <stoneyj> http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities/2.3_GNOME#Please_answer_each_of_the_following_questions_as_it_relates_to_your_activity.
16:04:53 <stoneyj> https://titanpad.com/wAD3OD6ysC
16:05:05 <stoneyj> use the last link for GNOME group activity
16:58:41 <darci> Open Source.com links
16:58:51 <darci> #link http://opesource.com/contact
16:59:04 <darci> #link http://opensource.com/participate
16:59:38 <darci> IRC: #opensource.com (freenode)
17:02:03 <darci> If you have any ideas about content for new content on a page that is not yet live, please let Bryan know. The link is...
17:02:24 <darci> #link http://opensource.com/resources/what-open-education
17:06:42 <James_M> Did I just hear Bryan correctly in that his University wants him to share his PHDness?  (sounds funnier when spoken out loud)
17:47:59 <camm> cam's SE course resources on github https://github.com/cmacdonell/SoftwareEngineering
17:51:47 <darci> #topic Pedagogy and Course Materials
17:58:16 <darci> Be realistic about the different learning environment.
17:58:26 <darci> Students need to learn how to deal with 'being stuck'.
17:58:57 <darci> Show them 'how' to deal with this situation,
18:01:58 <James_M> Heidi fix bug [censored]
18:02:13 <camm> bugficks
18:02:23 <darci> :)
18:02:49 <James_M> I heard two 'u's in that word
18:02:57 <semioticrobotic> ...and an 'x'
18:04:24 <James_M> :)
18:08:59 <James_M> Bryan quoting Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
18:11:23 <semioticrobotic> If ya smeeellll-lll-lll
18:11:36 <semioticrobotic> ...what Heidi Ellis is cookin'
18:12:00 <semioticrobotic> #info Use mid-semester evaluations to check student engagement and comfort with FOSS activities
18:33:45 <semioticrobotic> List of collective student personas: Jimmy McMetron, Jr.
18:35:51 <semioticrobotic> Sally de la Foip
18:36:17 <James_M> Hedi Bugfux
18:37:30 <darci> #topic Understanding POSSE Stage 3
18:45:22 <darci> How can faculty support one another after our face-2-face time?
18:50:28 * semioticrobotic wants stoneyj PHP students to resuscitate http://dropplets.com/
18:50:59 <sean___> hfoss.instructure.com
18:54:44 <James_M> ??? - I go to that site and see a login screen - what is the page?
18:55:46 <James_M> oh, I see, it's a tool for content  - canvas
19:11:45 <kwurst> sean___: Please create an account for me: Karl Wurst kwurst@worcester.edu
19:17:33 <mdoroodchi> please create one for me as well mdoroodchi@gmail.com
19:37:30 <James_M> there is a list on the titan pad
19:37:36 <James_M> I'll add your emails
20:18:15 <sean___> http://data.seangoggins.net/Fedora-Live-Desktop-x86_64-20-1.iso
12:40:14 <joanie> https://titanpad.com/POSSE-GNOME
12:42:43 <joanie> suzanne: and Alex_Rmezei: https://titanpad.com/POSSE-GNOME
12:44:29 <darci> #endmeeting