13:42:16 <WellPlayed> #startmeeting
13:42:16 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jul 15 13:42:16 2014 UTC.  The chair is WellPlayed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:42:19 <DahBooty_> Fatalis is a lil'bich
13:42:22 <Myself_> Get away Nathan!
13:42:33 <swampmaster> He is always watching
13:42:34 <MickeyMouseLover> did dorean's team get a chat or not?
13:42:42 <swampmaster> ornaw
13:42:42 <Myself_> Well stop it!
13:42:44 <GuestNegro> Dorian**
13:42:46 <Fatalis_> myself = jeff Dahbooty = kevin
13:42:55 <DahBooty_> oh no
13:43:01 <MickeyMouseLover> negro are you dorian
13:43:01 <donkey_> dorian********************************
13:43:04 <Myself_> ...IT'S JEFFREY!!!
13:43:04 <MMMMMMMMMMMMDATA> youve been found out kev
13:43:06 <donkey_> no
13:43:09 <Glare> okay enough eveyrone laptops down
13:43:11 <donkey_> i'm the real dorian
13:43:13 <Lord_Helix> Corbin, link to our meeting?
13:43:16 <Glare> pay attention
13:43:16 <GuestNegro> No, This IS Patrick
13:43:18 <DahBooty_> lol who is you MMMMMMMMMMM?
13:43:23 <Nathan___> 2 Minutes
13:43:26 * Myself_ rips off mask
13:43:27 <Lord_Helix> Glare, stop minimodding.
13:43:34 <MMMMMMMMMMMMDATA> YOULL NEVA KNOW
13:43:35 <swampmaster> 2 minutes of what
13:43:41 <Shrek_> STOP NOW
13:43:42 <MMMMMMMMMMMMDATA> TO MIDNIGHT
13:43:47 <lel> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,kkkkkkkkkmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
13:43:49 <DahBooty_> lol
13:43:53 <Nathan___> 2 Minutes before I walk around and shut computers
13:43:56 <Nathan___> Pay attention
13:43:59 <swampmaster> (\_/
13:44:08 <swampmaster> (\_/)
13:44:33 <Myself_> Who couldn't tell it was me
13:44:37 <Myself_> ?
13:44:38 <Lord_Helix> inb4 Nathan does absolutely nothing
13:44:51 <swampmaster> naw here he comes
13:44:55 <swampmaster> hes on the hunt
13:45:19 <Heimerdonger> It'll all be ogre soon...
13:45:20 <Heimerdonger> It'll all be ogre soon...
13:45:21 <Heimerdonger> It'll all be ogre soon...
13:45:21 <Heimerdonger> It'll all be ogre soon...
13:45:25 <Myself_> Yay! Treat is ineffectuall!
13:45:27 <Lord_Helix> Break time!
13:45:28 <swampmaster> RIP IN PEPPERONIES
13:45:36 <Heimerdonger> RIP IN PEACE
13:45:38 <TheSwampMaster> wow that was good timing
13:45:45 <Lord_Helix> As if anyone listens to the RAs anyway...
13:45:54 <Heimerdonger> How many people here know how to play SC II
13:45:55 <jjspace> you cant rest in pepperonies in pepperonies
13:45:55 <Myself_> That's kind of said
13:46:25 <Chester_> woof
13:46:32 <GuestNegro> Communism!:)
13:46:42 <Chester_> #part
13:46:47 <Myself_> Just making sure
13:46:50 <Lord_Helix> Let's sing "Let It Go!"
13:46:54 <Myself_> NEVER!!!
13:46:54 <GuestNegro> /nick notME
13:47:13 <Myself_> Confusion!!!
13:47:19 <Fatalis_> i hate all you people
13:47:20 * Myself_ is confusied
13:47:30 * Myself_ hurt himself in his confusion
13:47:38 * Myself_ fainted
13:47:39 <Heimerdonger> You truly are confused
13:47:43 <theOneTrueJavier> my name is javier but i go by javi
13:47:47 <Heimerdonger> With that kind of spelling
13:47:48 <theOneTrueJavier> im playing my ds right now
13:47:56 <theOneTrueJavier> donkey kong country rules the world
13:47:58 <Heimerdonger> asdhjdafhjsadf
13:48:00 <Heimerdonger> sdhflkahfd
13:48:00 <Heimerdonger> alk
13:48:08 <Myself_> I don't play donkey kong.
13:48:22 <Myself_> I exist to confuse you.
13:48:52 <Myself_> Ah well.
13:48:53 <Fatalis_> F%^$ YOU CAELEB
13:49:10 <Myself_> Hey! We use stars here!
13:49:42 <Myself_> None of your fancy sybols are good.
13:49:51 <Felix_Hossil> I'm definitely not the Helix Fossil.
13:49:51 <Myself_> Ya toof.
13:49:57 <MaxIsLove> <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
13:50:01 <MaxIsLove> <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
13:50:05 <MaxIsLove> <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
13:50:08 <MaxIsLove> <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<
13:50:13 <MaxIsLove> <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<
13:50:17 <MaxIsLove> <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<
13:50:20 <Myself_> AHH!!! IT'S LESS THAN THREE!!!
13:50:21 <Chester> Peng is an otter-napper
13:50:43 <Fatalis_> chester is a fat cow
13:50:50 <Chester> Shut up Javier
13:50:54 <Fatalis_> npo
13:50:56 <Fatalis_> no
13:50:57 <Fatalis_> no
13:50:59 <KyOgre> All we need now is Groudonkey.
13:50:59 <Fatalis_> you suuck
13:51:04 <Chester> Well, now your name is confirmed
13:51:13 <Fatalis_> dont car
13:51:15 <Fatalis_> care
13:51:20 <COCKANDBALLS> 8========================D
13:51:22 <Myself_> Not the car!!!
13:51:26 <Chester> Whoo! I have destroyed your anonymity!
13:51:32 <Myself_> YAY!!!
13:51:34 <Fatalis_> you no my name but i know yours
13:51:46 <Chester> Duh. It's Chester!
13:51:52 <Myself_> It's bob!
13:52:25 <Fatalis_> 7+8*78(645+89*2)-789
13:52:27 <Fatalis_> =
13:52:30 <Fatalis_> pi
13:52:32 <Myself_> Is anyone here spartacus?
13:52:47 <TheRealSlimShady> Actually, it's 512770.
13:53:10 <COCKANDBALLS> MIS PANTALONES DEL FUEGO
13:53:14 <Chester> FUEGO!!!!
13:53:17 <TheRealSlimShady> laggity laggity lag
13:53:28 <MormonJesus> Bow down
13:53:41 <COCKANDBALLS> NIGGA YOU AINT THA REAL SLIM SHADY SIT YOU WHITE ASS DOWN
13:53:45 <aflyingwombat> the abs are real
13:53:47 <noMasPantalones> necesito los pantalones en fuego a causa de me gusta el calor
13:54:09 <MormonJesus> IM JESUS
13:54:17 <MormonJesus> NOOOOOOOOOO
13:54:21 <Jesus_Christ> Boom.
13:54:23 <MormonJesus> THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE
13:54:26 <JesuCristo> NO, SOY JESUCRISTO
13:54:48 <FENTON> OH JESUS CHRIST
13:54:54 <JesuCristo> si senor?
13:54:57 <FENTON> FEEEENNNNNNNNNTTTTTTOOOOOOONNNNNNN
13:54:59 <JesuCristo> soy el senor
13:54:59 <DahBooty_> 2 words guys:
13:55:02 <Jesus_Christ> When it comes to Messiahs, there can be only one!
13:55:07 <DahBooty_> DAH
13:55:08 <DahBooty_> BOOTY
13:55:15 <JesuCristo> NO, JODETE
13:55:19 <Jesus_Christ> Two words, Booty:
13:55:20 <Jesus_Christ> FUCK
13:55:22 <Jesus_Christ> OFF
13:55:30 <Jesus_Christ> Two more:
13:55:31 <Jesus_Christ> OH
13:55:32 <DahBooty_> http://thebest404pageever.com/swf/rainbowchikkunz.swf
13:55:34 <Jesus_Christ> SNAP
13:55:36 <MormonJesus> swiggity swoogity im comin for that booty
13:55:38 <holyMohammed> there can only be one
13:55:45 <JesuCristo> SOY YO
13:55:50 <Jesus_Christ> '
13:55:55 <JesuCristo> PORQUE YO PUEDO HABLAR EN ESPANOL
13:55:57 <MormonJesus> omfgdogs.com
13:56:10 <Jesus_Christ> leekspin.com.au
13:56:17 <JesuCristo> PERO EL SENOR JAVIER NO PUEDE
13:56:22 <JesuCristo> :P
13:56:30 <MormonJesus> Porque eres un maricomb
13:56:43 <JesuCristo> NO SENOR, ERES PUTA
13:56:58 <MormonJesus> cabron
13:57:16 <JesuCristo> coolo
13:57:21 <MormonJesus> baka
13:57:29 <JesuCristo> espegeti
13:57:37 <MormonJesus> ajo
13:57:48 <JesuCristo> caca
13:57:54 <MormonJesus> poopoo
13:57:59 <JesuCristo> mierda
13:58:01 <Heimerdonger> Who am I?
13:58:11 <MormonJesus> gringo
13:58:16 <COCKANDBALLS> you are heimerdinger
13:58:19 <Jesus_Christ> Heimerdonger, of course.
13:58:29 <JesuCristo> NO SOY EL JESUCRISTO DE MEXICO NO SOY GRINGO
13:58:41 <MormonJesus> si, eres gringo
13:58:56 <JesuCristo> no pienso
13:59:03 <Jesus_Christ> Heimerdonger's real name is n2-163-249.dhcp.drexel.edu/144.118.163.249
13:59:05 <MormonJesus> si pienses
13:59:15 <MormonJesus> piensas
13:59:19 <Jesus_Christ> penises
13:59:23 <Nathan___> Stop. Now.
13:59:27 <MormonJesus> how creative
13:59:31 <Nathan___> I know who you are. I will shut you down
13:59:42 <MormonJesus> bye bye
13:59:50 <Jesus_Christ> GG
14:05:42 <DahBooty_> Is... is it over?
14:06:41 <lel> hi
14:11:29 <NotJavier> so quiet once i leave
14:18:55 <Heimerdonger> LOLOLOLOLOLOLO
14:18:56 <Heimerdonger> Dndlks
14:18:57 <Heimerdonger> nlkfda
14:18:58 <Heimerdonger> andkl
14:18:58 <Heimerdonger> ankf
14:18:59 <Heimerdonger> a
14:19:00 <Heimerdonger> dlanmsdfln
14:19:06 <lel> Jeff is Love Jeff is Life
14:19:07 <Heimerdonger> AVAST ME HEARTIES
14:26:31 <shadowhand> this channel needs an admin
14:29:59 <GuestNegro> yo
14:57:18 <Heimerdonger> SHE GOT A BIG BOOTY SO I CALL HER BIG BOOTY
14:57:22 <Heimerdonger> 2 CHAINZ
15:46:11 <lel> jfjfjjfjfjfjfjsfskfdksjfkjdkdjkdjkjksjfkjdkjkdjkdj
15:46:12 <lel> 's
15:46:12 <lel> ds
15:46:12 <lel> gsdrsg
15:46:12 <lel> wq
15:46:12 <lel> r
15:46:13 <lel> sfg
15:46:13 <lel> da
15:46:13 <lel> fsg
15:46:14 <lel> dsafg
15:46:14 <lel> eqr
15:46:15 <lel> t
15:46:15 <lel> sd
15:46:16 <lel> s
16:20:25 <heidie> Ah, quiet again!
12:51:55 <zanmello> Wow, that was interesting.  Does that happen often?  I left my window open.
13:01:02 <joanie> zanmello: often? no. but on occasion....
13:01:26 <joanie> on the gnome irc channels we have a bot and channel admins who can kick and ban folks
13:01:31 <joanie> I asked heidie about this
13:01:42 <joanie> and she thinks greg is that guy
13:01:55 <joanie> but yesterday he didn't seem to be doing any kicking or banning
13:02:11 * joanie shrugs
13:02:33 <joanie> freenode does have chanserv
13:02:52 <joanie> but yesterday it was not responding to my queries when I made them
13:03:01 <joanie> and I didn't have time to dig
13:05:13 <heidie> I actually don't think that Greg is a channel admin
13:05:18 <heidie> My mistake
13:05:32 <joanie> ok, then we need to establish one
13:05:38 <heidie> Yes, right.
13:06:13 <heidie> I'm looking into how to do this.
13:06:16 <joanie> thanks
13:06:21 <heidie> But might be a couple of days as I'm running a bit here.
13:06:39 <heidie> Kids to work and visiting relatives. Summer stuff :-)
15:17:31 <zanmello> Hi Alex - I’m here
15:17:45 <[1]alex> Hi Suzanne :)
15:18:33 <[1]alex> I am not sure Mohsen is here yet
15:19:02 <zanmello> I don’t think so.  Lets give him a few minutes
15:19:12 <[1]alex> OK
15:23:10 <zanmello> Hi Mohsen
15:23:39 <Mohsen_> Hi
15:24:06 <Mohsen_> Is alex here too?
15:24:12 <zanmello> Yes
15:24:12 <[1]alex> yes, I am here too :)
15:24:42 <Mohsen_> should we start then?
15:24:46 <zanmello> Yes
15:24:58 <zanmello> Have you had a chance to review the grant proposal?
15:24:59 <[1]alex> yes
15:25:08 <Mohsen_> yes
15:25:11 <[1]alex> regarding the grant ...
15:25:27 <[1]alex> I won't use it in a class any time soon
15:25:45 <[1]alex> I mean in a software engineering class
15:25:56 <zanmello> WIll you use them in another course?
15:26:08 <[1]alex> i think it may be easier if I let only the two of you to apply for the grant
15:26:17 <[1]alex> and I work with you to develop the materials
15:26:22 <[1]alex> and submit papers
15:26:24 <[1]alex> and presentations
15:26:33 <zanmello> OK
15:26:46 <zanmello> Well maybe we should all write our own?  I am done then.
15:26:47 <[1]alex> my use of the material in other courses will not have a great extent
15:26:48 <zanmello> LOL
15:26:53 <[1]alex> :)
15:27:13 <[1]alex> i do want to stay involved in the project though
15:27:14 <Mohsen_> well, I think you still can be a part of development phase
15:27:20 <Mohsen_> and be compensated for that
15:27:51 <[1]alex> that sounds good
15:27:54 <Mohsen_> if we divide the project into two phases of development and implementation(or actual testing in classroom)
15:28:15 <zanmello> that sounds good
15:28:41 <Mohsen_> so, suzzane do you think we can use your proposal and modify it based on the two main phases
15:28:47 <[1]alex> the biggest incentive for me, in this project, is to submit papers together, and to give presentation and/or workshops on this subject
15:28:55 <zanmello> Yes, we can take the schedule part and expand
15:28:55 <Mohsen_> we have already done a lot of thinking and initial developments for the phase I
15:29:42 <zanmello> We can list specifics on what each of us are doing
15:30:21 <zanmello> So shall I take the grant proposal and add both your names? And we can discuss now what to change and send back to the Posse team?
15:30:35 <zanmello> I would like to get this done today
15:30:50 <Mohsen_> sure
15:30:51 <[1]alex> sure :)
15:31:21 <zanmello> Should we put it on google docs or something?
15:31:27 <zanmello> So we can all see
15:31:43 <[1]alex> can we use email?
15:31:58 <Mohsen_> sure, googledocs is fine with me
15:32:08 <Mohsen_> it is easy to use
15:32:11 <[1]alex> or googledocs too
15:32:40 <Mohsen_> what i propose is we give each one a timeframe to go and modify and then
15:32:52 <Mohsen_> sometime at night Suzzane can take over and finalize it
15:33:19 <zanmello> do you have word where you can track changes?
15:33:43 <[1]alex> I do
15:33:46 <Mohsen_> I do have word
15:34:26 <zanmello> So if both of you can add Name and Contact Info
15:34:41 <zanmello> Mohsen - If you can add your target course and Audience
15:35:51 <zanmello> We need to add the schedule section to split things up by development and implementation
15:35:56 <Mohsen_> on your word document?
15:35:59 <zanmello> yes
15:36:05 <Mohsen_> I can email it ot you as well
15:36:09 <zanmello> ok
15:36:39 <zanmello> Should we ask for funding for the two conferences as well?
15:37:27 <zanmello> Heidie is here so maybe she will chime in with whether we should do that or not
15:37:50 <Mohsen_> please ask her
15:37:53 <Mohsen_> great idea
15:38:03 <zanmello> I am looking for the email she sent us
15:40:15 <zanmello> In Heidi’s email she said we could request travel funds for $1000 or $1500.  We should look up flights, hotels and give a ball park number
15:40:41 <[1]alex> I should be able to get money for the conference from my University.
15:42:08 <Mohsen_> is it for each person or total?
15:42:19 <zanmello> I think for each person
15:42:41 <zanmello> \ping Heidie
15:43:00 <[1]alex> if you guys want, I think we should compile all the information, at the end, into some kind of textbook. It would be great to make an open source book available for other faculty
15:43:04 <zanmello> I have problems with slashes
15:43:27 <zanmello> absolutely Alex.
15:43:59 <Mohsen_> I go with whatever you advise :)
15:45:07 <[1]alex> luckily, my department has some money, so going to conference should not be a challenge. That's why I think it makes more sense for me not to apply for a grant. But I definitely want to stay involved with you guys on this project
15:45:31 <zanmello> Its up to you Alex
15:46:53 <zanmello> Mohsen, if Alex is not going to apply for the grant, maybe you should take my proposal and rewrite for your course.  We can submit separately.
15:47:05 <zanmello> It might be easier.
15:47:09 <Mohsen_> ok
15:47:11 <Mohsen_> that is fine
15:48:15 <Mohsen_> so, alex is that ok if I refer to your woirk also in my porposal?
15:48:55 <[1]alex> absolutely :)
15:49:29 <[1]alex> in case you guys need to use my contact info:  Razvan Alex Mezei, PhD
15:49:29 <[1]alex> Assistant Professor of Computing Sciences and Mathematics, and Coordinator of Computing Sciences
15:49:29 <[1]alex> Donald & Helen Schort School of Mathematics & Computing Sciences
15:49:29 <[1]alex> Lenoir-Rhyne University
15:49:30 <[1]alex> Hickory, North Carolina
15:49:30 <[1]alex> Office: Mauney 227
15:49:30 <[1]alex> Email:  razvan.mezei@lr.edu
15:49:31 <[1]alex> Phone: (828) 328-7418
15:49:46 <zanmello> ok, when I resubmit my proposal, I will cc you both
15:50:08 <[1]alex> but as I mentioned, I will be around and will work with you guys on the project.
15:50:20 <[1]alex> I will use this as professional development
15:50:45 <[1]alex> it just doesn't make sense for me to apply for a grant
15:50:49 <zanmello> yes, we are counting on you Alex!
15:50:50 <zanmello> lol
15:50:53 <[1]alex> :)
15:51:09 <Mohsen_> ok, then
15:53:00 <Mohsen_> I will be looking for your proposal and I will do the same
15:53:18 <zanmello> sounds good.  I am working on it now
15:54:31 <Mohsen_> ok thanks all
15:54:50 <zanmello> I’ll be here if you  have any questions.  You should get my email in a few hours
15:54:53 <zanmello> or less
15:55:12 <heidie> zanmello, should I read back?
15:55:21 <zanmello> Hi Heidie!
15:55:24 <heidie> Hi!
15:55:25 <heidie> How are you?
15:55:26 <[1]alex> is there anything I can help with right now?
15:55:31 <heidie> Sorry I missed you the other day.
15:55:36 <zanmello> We decided to submit proposals separately.
15:55:40 <zanmello> No problem.
15:55:50 <heidie> Ah, sure. That's fine.
15:55:56 <zanmello> Mohsen and I are submitting.  Alex is not submitting
15:56:01 <heidie> If you could put them directly onto foss2serve that would be good.
15:56:02 <heidie> OK.
15:56:12 <heidie> Why not Alex?
15:56:14 <heidie> Just curious
15:56:35 <zanmello> He says he has funding
15:56:45 <zanmello> he is here still maybe.  Alex?
15:56:57 <heidie> [1]alex: ?
15:57:00 <[1]alex> sorry
15:57:04 <[1]alex> I just came back
15:57:05 <[1]alex> :)
15:57:07 <heidie> :-)
15:57:25 <heidie> I was just wondering why Mohsen and Suzanne are putting in a proposal and not you?
15:57:35 <[1]alex> it should be easier for me to get money through my department
15:57:47 <[1]alex> so applying for a grant may not make sense
15:57:48 <heidie> Ah, got it.
15:57:52 <heidie> Sure, that's fine.
15:58:09 <[1]alex> especially since I will use just a little bit of our work in a class next semester
15:58:40 <[1]alex> but I think it would be great if we can compile all our work in an open textbook
15:58:43 <[1]alex> at the end
15:58:45 <[1]alex> :)
15:58:47 <heidie> Wonderful!
15:58:50 <heidie> I like the idea.
15:59:00 <[1]alex> :)
15:59:08 <zanmello> So I am tweeking my proposal to add travel expenses.  Is that appropriate?
15:59:24 <zanmello> for the workshop and the paper if accepted
16:00:05 <heidie> Yes, please do
16:00:15 <heidie> Add travel expsenses that is.
16:00:40 <heidie> Just note that you'll have to use them before August of 2015.
16:00:45 <Mohsen_> ok, and I can do the same thing , I assume
16:00:49 <heidie> 'cause that is when the grant runs out.
16:00:52 <Mohsen_> for travel
16:00:57 <heidie> Yes, Mohsen_ you should also ask for travel.
16:01:00 <zanmello> Yes, we are traveling in March and April.one other question.  How do you suggest I
16:01:46 <zanmello> You mentioned that we can get more funding for implementation?  How do you suggest we divide up the funding between development and implementation.  I will be running the course in both Fall and Spring.
16:02:14 <Mohsen_> same with me
16:02:15 <heidie> Hmmm, I'd need to check on the exact mechanism, but there are definitely funds for this.
16:02:25 <Mohsen_> I am teaching software engineering course in fall and spring
16:02:34 <heidie> The travel funds are separate from the development funds.
16:02:50 <heidie> The development funds max at $3000
16:03:08 <Mohsen_> Heidi, would you be able to include me in any email with Suzzane about that?
16:03:38 <heidie> Ssure.
16:03:48 <Mohsen_> also, if you can send us some information about how you envision the evaluation in teh implementation phase , we can include it
16:04:01 <heidie> I think that the travel funds were something like $1500 (in addition to the development funds), but I need to check.
16:05:09 <heidie> I've looked at what we said in the budget and it looks like $500/person.
16:05:25 <zanmello> per trip or total?
16:05:42 <heidie> But we have lots of budget.
16:06:15 <heidie> The budget says "per year", but we can be flexible with that.
16:06:28 <zanmello> Ok, I will just figure out ball park figures and include them
16:06:37 <heidie> So I'd request $500 and then justify a higher amount.
16:06:51 <heidie> Right, give us a case for being able to go higher.
16:06:57 <zanmello> ok
16:08:10 <heidie> :-)
16:08:11 <zanmello> Can you provide a grant number?  I want to run the surveys, sample data for the class by the URI IRB.  I need to get their approval.
16:08:22 <zanmello> It should be no issue, its a formality
16:08:38 <heidie> Number or name?  This is a collaborative grant so there are actually three numbers, one for each institution.
16:09:03 <zanmello> I guess the name would be fine
16:11:11 <Mohsen_> Heidi, do you know how do you envision the data collection and survey?
16:11:14 <heidie> OpenFE – Developing Faculty Expertise and Creating Learning Materials for Humanitarian Free and Open Source Software
16:11:16 <Mohsen_> do you have some sample surveys?
16:11:23 <heidie> We have surveys already constructed.
16:11:39 <Mohsen_> that would be great, then we don't need to create new ones
16:11:42 <zanmello> Thank you!
16:11:58 <heidie> Right. I'll distribute to all POSSE alums via email.
16:12:02 <heidie> thanks for reminding me!
16:12:44 <zanmello> Thank you so much Heidie for joining us
16:12:49 <zanmello> we appreciate your help
16:12:52 <heidie> :-) I love IRC.
16:13:00 <zanmello> I can’t wait for the sun to come back out
16:13:09 <heidie> I can have quick conversations with fun people and exchange ideas.
16:13:17 <zanmello> I love it now too
16:13:24 <heidie> Yes, I am longing for sun as well!
16:13:33 <heidie> This gray stuff and rain is for the birds.
16:13:53 <zanmello> I feel wet.  Our poor dog is always wet
16:14:10 <Mohsen_> and I assume you already have IRB protocols approved by several institutes that we can use as well
16:14:12 <Mohsen_> ?
16:15:47 <heidie> Yes, I have IRB approval for the surveys..
16:16:41 <Mohsen_> yes, that makes things very easy for getting the IRB approval
16:16:49 <heidie> Ah, good.
16:17:29 <Mohsen_> and as far as loadingj into the foss2serve, I assume Suzzane you know how to do it?
16:18:01 <zanmello> not sure what you mean?
16:18:09 <heidie> Mohsen_: You should have an account on foss2serve and be able to create your own page and edit.
16:18:16 <zanmello> ok
16:18:19 <heidie> This was provided during the face-to-face part in PHL.
16:18:20 <Mohsen_> ok
16:18:25 <Mohsen_> I remember now
16:18:57 <Mohsen_> sorry, I am getting old and memory is not as sharp as it used to be
16:19:03 <Mohsen_> :)
16:24:18 <Mohsen_> Suzzane,  I will be looking forward to your proposal
16:24:30 <zanmello> I am working on it now
16:25:06 <heidie> OK, folks, I'm off to visit my parents. Email me if you have more questions.
16:25:07 <heidie> bye@
16:25:17 <zanmello> byeee Heidie. Have fun
16:25:30 <Mohsen_> thanks
16:25:31 <Mohsen_> bye
16:26:14 <[1]alex> have a great day Heidie
16:27:55 <[1]alex> I am going to leave as well. Please email me if I can help with anything. Take care!
16:28:22 <zanmello> Have a great day Alex
16:28:54 <[1]alex> thank you Suzanne!  You too! :)
16:34:39 <Mohsen__> sorry , I got disconnected
16:34:48 <Mohsen__> suzzan, are you still there?
16:37:33 <zanmello> yes I am
16:38:01 <mohsen_> I've got disconnected
16:39:08 <mohsen_> are you going to submit something for implementation separtely or together?
16:39:36 <zanmello> I think we need to submit separately.
16:39:47 <zanmello> You can just copy mine and change to make it yours
16:40:41 <mohsen_> so, this one is only on the develoment
16:40:45 <mohsen_> ?
16:41:05 <zanmello> I am working on the implementation section now and adding it.
16:41:23 <zanmello> I am just saying more about surveys and sample data and how many students
16:41:51 <zanmello> I’m answering Heidies questions that she asked in her email
16:41:56 <zanmello> then I will send to you
16:43:39 <mohsen_> ok , great
16:49:05 <zanmello> ok, I’m done for now.  Sending to you now
16:49:15 <zanmello> My husband wants to go out to lunch
16:51:37 <zanmello> I’ll be back later
16:58:00 <Mohsen_> see you later
14:02:14 <zanmello> Hi Alex
14:02:43 <[1]alex> hi Suzanne :)
14:03:06 <zanmello> How is everything going?  Are you enjoying your summer?
14:03:06 <[1]alex> is Mohsen here?
14:03:09 <zanmello> no
14:03:23 <[1]alex> I am doing ok, running behind schedule ...
14:03:26 <[1]alex> what about u?
14:03:32 <zanmello> it is hard to keep up!
14:03:43 <[1]alex> Mohsen is connected to Titanpad
14:03:51 <zanmello> Yes, I see that
14:05:38 <zanmello> Hi Mohsen
14:05:48 <Mohsen_> Hi
14:06:14 <zanmello> How are you this beautiful morning?
14:06:41 <Mohsen_> great
14:06:47 <Mohsen_> it is really beautiful here
14:06:53 <Mohsen_> how about you ?
14:07:46 <[2]alex> I got disconnected for a minute, did I miss anything?
14:07:51 <zanmello> I was hoping we could try and finish the lab list and come up with the rough plan for the Workshop today.  I am traveling the first two weeks of August and after that it gets crazy with back to school stuff.
14:07:57 <zanmello> Hi Alex
14:08:48 <[2]alex> I will be traveling the first three weeks of August as well
14:09:14 <zanmello> I started writing the workshop proposal this morning.  There is a strict format and it is only 2 pages long.  We should be able to get it done soon.
14:10:21 <zanmello> http://sigcse2015.sigcse.org/authors/workshops.html
14:11:38 <[2]alex> cool!
14:12:01 <[2]alex> I think we should do it today, so we get it out of the way
14:12:10 <Mohsen__> Fine with me
14:12:12 <zanmello> I thought we could walk participants through the virtual machine with Fedora 20 and the latest version of the GNOME Music app like we did at Drexel ( a few of our labs) Then we could go through all our other labs briefly.
14:12:40 <zanmello> So at the end they have a working VM and a set of labs to use with their students
14:12:48 <[2]alex> that sounds great to me
14:13:10 <[2]alex> and if we put all the labs on a website, they can get access to it later.
14:14:12 <[2]alex> is there any way could get access to metrics like:  how many downloads? how many accesses?
14:14:18 <Mohsen_> I get disconnected every couple minutes
14:14:55 <Mohsen_> when are we planning to submit?
14:15:03 <Mohsen_> the deadline is September 5
14:15:07 <zanmello> Alex, we should take a look at the Wiki and see what stats are available
14:15:26 <zanmello> Yes, we need to get it done now since August is crazy
14:16:08 <[2]alex> sounds good to me :)
14:16:13 <zanmello> It looks like the conference management system is open now so we can submit as soon as we are done
14:16:39 <zanmello> We can edit it up to Sept 5th is we have to
14:16:50 <Mohsen_> sure
14:17:03 <Mohsen_> that is a very good idea, however, you would like to have to main part done now
14:17:05 <Mohsen_> good idea
14:17:27 <zanmello> Yes, we have enough now to be able to submit
14:17:37 <zanmello> We are just adding more labs
14:17:43 <[2]alex> yes, I agree. We should have enough to submit
14:17:55 <[2]alex> and we have until the workshop to keep updating
14:18:00 <[2]alex> the files
14:18:16 <zanmello> Do you both have the workshop template?
14:18:31 <[2]alex> we may not be able to update the workshop submission, but we can work on our side until the workshop
14:19:01 <[2]alex> yes, I see it on http://sigcse2015.sigcse.org/authors/workshops.html
14:19:18 <[2]alex> they have an example
14:19:28 <zanmello> yes, Mohsen do you see it?
14:19:37 <[2]alex> http://sigcse2015.sigcse.org/authors/examples/workshopProposalsample.doc
14:19:40 <Mohsen_> yes
14:20:08 <zanmello> great.
14:20:17 <zanmello> I started one this morning based on this example
14:20:50 <zanmello> Alex, i have your contact info.  Mohsen I need yours.  I know you put it in IRC but it is gone
14:20:50 <[2]alex> we submit one for all the three of us, correct?
14:21:03 <zanmello> yes, one with all our names on it
14:21:12 <[2]alex> great
14:21:39 <Mohsen_> I am emailing it to you now
14:21:52 <[2]alex> do you need a short biography as well?
14:22:04 <zanmello> I am offering to smooth out the final version.  Yes, I need a bio.
14:22:21 <zanmello> I need bios from both of you
14:22:31 <[2]alex> i'll send you one, soon then
14:22:36 <[2]alex> soon like in minutes
14:22:38 <[2]alex> :)
14:23:28 <zanmello> If you could both think about what we need to put in the abstract, intended audience sections and send to me.
14:23:41 <[2]alex> ok
14:23:41 <zanmello> Lets discuss our Rough Agenda here
14:23:58 <zanmello> We have 3 hours
14:24:18 <[2]alex> we don't need to use the full 3 hours, do we?
14:24:26 <[2]alex> not that we can't
14:25:13 <zanmello> Remember we are getting everyone’s labtops set up.  I think they want the Workshops to last that long.  I think we can easily take that time.
14:25:33 <[2]alex> yes, I agree
14:25:44 <[2]alex> setting up the laptops should take quite some time
14:26:07 <Mohsen_> for setting up laptop
14:26:15 <Mohsen_> we can have two choices
14:26:29 <Mohsen_> one is to try to find additional preconfigured laptops
14:26:59 <Mohsen_> (if each of us bring a couple extra)
14:27:16 <zanmello> Well we could have an appliance ready for them to install on their vm just in case
14:27:17 <Mohsen_> and then, for the rest we can give them direction to preconfigure their laptops
14:27:26 <Mohsen_> regardless, there will some people coming with no clue
14:28:01 <Mohsen_> yes, and appliance ready on jump drive wiht many jump drives would be the ultimate case
14:28:02 <zanmello> Yes, we should assume everyone is clueless, but they can leave with our website with our labs and our appliance to install on their vm
14:28:17 <Mohsen_> that is it
14:28:53 <Mohsen_> one of the major issues in the lab advertisement is to give them the idea that , they get class materials completely
14:28:55 <[2]alex> we can make several dvd copies and give the participantds
14:29:11 <zanmello> yes, that way there is no stress for success.
14:29:20 <[2]alex> we can have all: a vm installation kit, the slides, etc
14:29:21 <Mohsen_> it probably will be bigger than one dvd
14:29:51 <[2]alex> i see
14:30:01 <[2]alex> how big do you estimate it?
14:30:12 <zanmello> We can figure that out later.
14:30:21 <[2]alex> ok
14:30:45 <zanmello> For now lets think about the rough agenda and how long each item will take.  For our proposal they just need a clear picture of what we will be doing
14:30:57 <Mohsen_> let me check how big it is now
14:31:27 <zanmello> I am on the titanpad typing the rough agenda right under the meeting agenda
14:35:22 <Mohsen_> it is about 8GB now
14:36:39 <Mohsen_> I think 16GB jump drive is better
14:36:49 <zanmello> How many students do you think we can handle?  That is one of the questions we need to answer
14:36:56 <[2]alex> some people may have challenge with that space demand
14:37:40 <zanmello> How long do you think it will take to go over how to work with students to install a VM?
14:37:54 <zanmello> then the same question for the cloning part
14:41:29 <Mohsen_> an hour
14:41:37 <Mohsen_> for each
14:41:39 <zanmello> Ok, take a look at the titan pad
14:41:43 <Mohsen_> but there are poeple who will be fone faster
14:41:49 <Mohsen_> and we should be able to  get them going
14:41:58 <Mohsen_> not to get bored
14:42:00 <zanmello> I have a rough agenda started
14:44:02 <zanmello> Do you see the agenda?
14:44:10 <[2]alex> is there any qay we can get 16GB drives from somewhere? so the participants get them for free?
14:44:29 <[2]alex> this way they won't need to worry about space
14:44:33 <zanmello> We could ask Heidi and Greg if there is funding
14:44:49 <[2]alex> great idea. :0
14:44:51 <[2]alex> :)
14:46:06 <[2]alex> we can then advertise POSSE and thank for their support
14:46:30 <zanmello> yes
14:47:58 <zanmello> Ok, so how many participants can we handle?
14:48:22 <[2]alex> For "materials provided" section, we can include, for now, a flash drive and a 1-page handout of the schedule, maybe?
14:48:45 <zanmello> yes and a website with our labs
14:48:51 <[2]alex> since it's all the three of us, maybe 30? Is that too large?
14:49:13 <[2]alex> 10 participants for each?
14:49:28 <zanmello> One person is leading and two people running around
14:49:31 <Mohsen_> I think we need  a couple handouts of our pdf files of how to set up the environment
14:49:44 <Mohsen_> but we can encourage them to just copy the VM's
14:49:56 <Mohsen_> this way we can start really from the cloning
14:50:08 <Mohsen_> after the first hour.
14:50:15 <[2]alex> yes, I agree on that
14:51:08 <Mohsen_> So, in the first hour , we can give a brief intro for about 10 minutes and then tell them to start the copying the image and then go through some additional power points until everyone is ready for cloning
14:51:36 <Mohsen_> things such as irc channels , communities , etc. which is already  a lab as well
14:51:43 <Mohsen_> what do you think?
14:51:44 <[2]alex> do we want to limit the number to 20, since this is our first workshop?
14:52:06 <zanmello> I think 20 is good
14:52:42 <[2]alex> we should also have a 10-15-minute break
14:52:50 <[2]alex> I think :)
14:53:32 <Mohsen_> sure 20 is good
14:54:34 <Mohsen_> I suggest we introduce POSSE and their resources at the beginning
14:55:09 <zanmello> yes, I put that on the agenda as well
14:55:24 <zanmello> OK, I think we have a plan
14:55:33 <[2]alex> yes, looks good
14:55:42 <zanmello> If you send me your comments on each section I will combine them and send to both of you for final comment
14:57:03 <zanmello> If possible I would like to submit by the end of the week or early next week.  Do you think that is possible?  I don’t want to think about this once I am on the plane.
14:57:17 <zanmello> lol
14:57:32 <[2]alex> can't we do it today?
14:57:36 <[2]alex> and finsh it?
14:57:42 <[2]alex> :)
14:57:48 <zanmello> Sure, if everyone else can
14:57:54 <[2]alex> I can
14:57:55 <Mohsen_> how do you feel about a googleDoc
14:58:07 <Mohsen_> that way  we can actually put the comments right in the appropriate section
14:58:11 <Mohsen_> ?
14:58:18 <[2]alex> if there are things we don't know for sure (like the USB?) we can change them later if needed
14:58:31 <zanmello> can you start one and send to us?  I have never done it
14:58:37 <Mohsen_> I have time this afternoon for a few hours
14:58:46 <Mohsen_> between 1 to 4:30 EST
14:58:58 <[2]alex> I never used googledocs either
14:59:03 <Mohsen_> so, if you can get the googleDoc going, I can put my comments in that timeframe
14:59:23 <[2]alex> mohsen, did you use googledocs in the past?
14:59:38 <Mohsen_> we will be in a workshop Friday and I am traveling tomorrow
14:59:46 <Mohsen_> but Saturday and Sunday , I also have plenty of times
14:59:50 <Mohsen_> time
15:01:30 <[2]alex> I can start working on a doc file, and send you all by email
15:01:34 <Mohsen_> make sure ot ask about the workshop cost at SIGCSE
15:01:46 <Mohsen_> For the food, etc.
15:01:51 <Mohsen_> are we doing a half day?
15:03:05 <[2]alex> who should be the contact person for the workshop? I am staring to put things in a word file
15:03:23 <zanmello> Alex, I already started a word file.
15:03:32 <zanmello> Do you want me to send to you?
15:03:45 <[2]alex> oh, ok
15:03:47 <[2]alex> :)
15:04:07 <[2]alex> do you need any more info from me, to put in the file?
15:04:22 <zanmello> hang on, I am trying to convert to google doc
15:04:45 <[2]alex> ok
15:06:05 <Mohsen_> just upload it and then
15:06:13 <Mohsen_> share it using our emails
15:06:20 <zanmello> hang on
15:06:25 <Mohsen_> I have to take off , I am looking forward to the email
15:06:32 <Mohsen_> and will wokr on the file
15:06:35 <Mohsen_> see you later
15:07:15 <[2]alex> see you later Mohsen
15:11:57 <zanmello> this is a pain
15:12:01 <zanmello> Still working on it
15:12:38 <[2]alex> I'll be here for a while, so please take your time and let me know if I can help with anything
15:13:17 <zanmello> I am hoping to send you the doc soon so we can work on it.  You have to downloand google drive I think
15:13:40 <[2]alex> ok
15:16:08 <zanmello> I really don’t want google to take over my computer
15:16:19 <zanmello> they want you to install chrome and google drive
15:17:05 <[2]alex> I love chrome, but I would hate to be imposed to install it
15:17:35 <[2]alex> why don't we use the old fashion emails?
15:17:41 <zanmello> ok
15:20:03 <zanmello> I will send to you shortly.  I am adding what we talked about this morning. Then you can take over and add mroe.
15:20:14 <zanmello> then we can send to Mohsen
15:20:36 <[2]alex> ok, sounds good.  Thank you so much! :)
15:20:48 <zanmello> no worries
15:53:30 <[1]alex> Suzanne, I was disconnected for about 5-10 minutes. Please let me know if I missed anything
16:07:49 <zanmello> Alex - I am sending you the first very rough draft
16:33:44 <[1]alex> I just sent it forward, after I included some minor changes.