13:35:22 <stoney> #startmeeting
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13:36:30 <heid> Hey Lori
13:38:50 <heid> #info 2.1 Getting Started in HFOSS
13:39:16 <stoney> #topic 2.1 Getting Started in HFOSS
13:39:39 <heid> Ah, better to use a topic than a mere info here. :-)
13:40:21 <lubaochuan> joining a community not working on a project ...
13:40:25 <StevenCrain> #info It is all about community
13:41:15 <stoney> #link fossisms http://opensource.com/education/14/6/16-foss-principles-for-educators
13:41:46 <joanna_kl> is there a link to the zip file with materials for today?
13:42:00 <stoney> oo, good point
13:42:11 <heid> stoney, I'm not on my machine, can you do that?
13:42:18 <EdMirielli> #info - learan about the project team's culture prior to approaching and joining
13:42:27 <stoney> sure, let me work on that
13:42:33 <alex_rmezei> http://www.foss2serve.org/images/foss2serve/7/73/POSSE_Materials_2014-05-28.zip
13:42:41 <alex_rmezei> would this work?
13:43:06 <heid> alex_rmezei: Ah, those materials are for the May POSSE and we've made changes
13:43:21 <heid> we've reordered materials and done some editing
13:43:26 <alex_rmezei> ooops.  Sorry ...
13:43:35 <heid> :-) No apologies needed to offering to help!
13:43:44 <alex_rmezei> :-)
13:46:49 <barrettk> no lurking!
13:46:55 <darci> joanna_kl: There is now a link to the materials we are using today at http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities#Downloads scroll down to the Downloads section
13:46:56 <lubaochuan> #info - do your homework (explore project documentation) before approaching ...
13:49:05 <lubaochuan> guided exploration to help students get started
13:49:07 <stoney> thanks darci
13:49:10 <joanna_kl> thank you
13:49:22 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities#Downloads
13:50:38 <darci> Sorry...I should have communicated better. I told Greg before we started that I would do this. :)
13:51:06 <stoney> we need an issue tracker
13:51:08 <stoney> :)
13:53:05 <EdMirielli> #info - being a GOOD citizen -- this is something crucial and goes beyond technology and thers much that is discussised about digital citizenshio - FOSS idea is a great one
13:53:51 * EdMirielli i do not like this keyboard - not egronomic for me...
13:55:47 <lubaochuan> making small contributions have pave ways for future interactions.
13:56:49 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: If it isn’t public, it didn’t happen
13:57:58 <lubaochuan> Get used to public communication.
13:58:17 <EdMirielli> public communication in the FOSS world will take some time to get used to for many... while we say we embrace tranperancy, but do we really?
13:58:46 <lubaochuan> start blogging ...
14:02:19 <darci> Talk to your public relations department
14:03:03 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: Radical transparency
14:03:13 <darci> Having public information that includes work done by students at your institution, leads people from that website back to the institution's website
14:04:03 <lubaochuan> Most blogging software has post by email function - which makes posting a lot easier - we write emails all the time.
14:04:13 <darci> It also gives them the ability to point to work done by students at the institution
14:05:08 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: ask forgiveness not permission
14:05:20 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: branches are free
14:05:37 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: keep a history
14:08:00 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: Begin with the finishing touches
14:08:41 <lubaochuan> verifying a bug
14:08:52 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: It’s not what you know it’s what you want to learn
14:10:13 <lubaochuan> It is a humbling experience, which is good :)
14:10:43 <StevenCrain> #info Getting started in open source, being a newbie, is humbling.
14:10:54 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: release early, release often
14:11:00 <EdMirielli> For me, one of the funnest parts is the learning,
14:11:21 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: push to upstream
14:11:44 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: show me the code
14:12:40 <StevenCrain> If you assign a bug to yourself, work on it and update the bug status regularly.
14:12:46 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: with enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow
14:12:56 <lubaochuan> Let people help you as much as possible as early as possible.
14:14:47 <stoney> #info FOSSISM: it’s better to communicate undone work than to do uncommunicated work
14:16:30 <darci> #info Getting Started - figure out what your students should produce as deliverables
14:17:30 <darci> #info then get to know the community that your students will be working in
14:20:06 <darci> #info let the community know that your students will be coming...and what they are looking to accomplish
14:33:34 <stoney> #topic 2.2 HFOSS in the Curiculum
14:39:20 <darci> #info Figure out what your students can do depending on the level of the course
14:41:46 <lubaochu_> A FOSS project may not fit local concept "senior project", but creative evaluations are available due to the openness of FOSS.
14:43:46 <EdMirielli> #info SOFT-FOSS course on the openness of data, gov't edu...
14:44:25 <stoney> please post link to that openness course here
14:44:55 <lubaochu_> #link https://class.stanford.edu/courses/Education/OpenKnowledge/Fall2014/about
14:45:37 <stoney> thankyou!
14:45:37 <EdMirielli> #link http://magic.rit.edu/foss/minor.html
14:46:00 <stoney> thank you!
14:46:05 <Robert__> We have something similar at Duke
14:46:10 <Robert__> #link http://www.cs.duke.edu/courses/fall11/cps082/
14:46:27 <stoney> thank you!
14:46:32 <joanna_kl> http://magic.rit.edu/foss/minor.html
14:46:47 <rubyK> http://hfoss-fossrit.rhcloud.com/syllabus
14:47:59 <EdMirielli> #info post a license on what you post...
14:52:31 <stoney> loving the links!
14:53:05 <stoney> please remember to use #link that way they’ll be pulled out into the appropriate section in the transcript
14:53:16 <stoney> #link http://magic.rit.edu/foss/minor.html
14:53:23 <stoney> #link http://magic.rit.edu/foss/minor.html
14:53:31 <stoney> oops
14:53:40 <stoney> #link http://hfoss-fossrit.rhcloud.com/syllabus
14:58:14 <Robert__> Duke’s ACM and IEEE sponsor a large SouthEast Hackathon titled “Code for Good”
14:58:19 <Robert__> #link http://www.hackduke.org/
15:00:26 <darci> #info If you have an active ACM student chapter, consider contacting Red Hat about sending a speaker to talk about open source
15:01:23 <stoney> likewise, if you want your “note” to be pulled up into the meeting summary, use #info
15:01:23 <EdMirielli> #info instructional style is like Open Range for Open Source
15:01:47 <stoney> otherwise someone will have to dig into the full transcript to pull out those nuggets :)
15:01:56 <glikins> ola everyone!
15:02:01 <stoney> hello!
15:02:29 <alex_rmezei> hi!
15:02:55 <joanna_kl> hi Gina
15:04:31 <suzanne> #info interesting article from chronicle yesterday about “guide on the side” http://m.chronicle.com/article/Professors-Place-in-the/149975/#sthash.n1FTsc0R
15:04:59 <alex_mezei> one can also use:   http://lmgtfy.com/?q=C%2B%2B+overloading+operators    :P
15:05:00 <joanna_kl> glikins: so if we want to arrange for someone from RedHat to come to campus and talk about open source, should we contact you or someone else is the "proper" contact
15:05:59 <glikins> Either Tom or me would be fantastic
15:06:23 <glikins> (anyone else would probably send you to us :-)
15:06:23 <joanna_kl> great, I do not have your email though
15:06:29 <glikins> gina@redhat.com
15:06:36 <glikins> and Tom is spot@redhat.com
15:06:50 <lubaochu_> #info ask student to create progress log and plan log
15:07:03 <joanna_kl> thank you!
15:07:06 <alex_mezei> do we need to have an ACM chapter for it? I am sure my CS students would love to meet someone from RedHat
15:07:38 <spot> Nah. You just need to ask politely. :)
15:07:40 <glikins> nope -- we'll come speak to a class or bunch of classes.  sometimes profs can do a open call for anyoen interested
15:07:45 <alex_mezei> :D
15:07:53 <stoney> #link http://m.chronicle.com/article/Professors-Place-in-the/149975/#sthash.n1FTsc0R
15:08:01 <stoney> #link http://lmgtfy.com/?q=C%2B%2B+overloading+operators
15:08:03 <lubaochu_> position your self as a learner
15:09:02 <lubaochu_> explain life-long learning and the need for it.
15:09:04 <rubyK> Characterstics of Bad SW developers : https://www.dropbox.com/s/qsnydi8t0awq6p1/Characteristics%20of%20Bad%20Software%20Engineers.pdf?dl=0
15:09:26 <Robert__> Men and Women in Communication
15:09:37 <stoney> #link http://www.amazon.com/You-Just-Dont-Understand-Conversation/dp/0060959622
15:10:08 <glikins> #info Deborah Tannen
15:18:55 <glikins> idea: actually raise the issue of being a woman computer science prof and ack the issue.
15:20:27 <EdMirielli> assert our authority through our expertise, but advance authority by being a fountain of quesitons
15:22:46 <lubaochu_> re-scope midterm
15:23:17 <smoussavi> Did you know yesterday was the world kindness day!!!
15:24:26 <lubaochu_> grade on progress
15:24:35 <lubaochu_> grade on process
15:29:02 <lynnlambert> github will probably let you have private access as an academic.
15:41:15 <lubaochuan> bitbucket allows that too
15:49:48 <stoney> #topic 2.3 Planning for HFOSS Participation
15:58:10 <glikins> link to open pharma article: http://opensource.com/health/14/6/can-open-science-help-patients-and-save-pharma
18:02:18 <barrettk> I'm checking to see if this channel is still active ...
18:02:24 <barrettk> I guess so.
18:07:31 <glikins> ola barrettk
18:09:01 <lubaochuan> #link opensource.com
22:15:01 <Sean_> DINNER!!!
14:02:52 <lubaochuan> some channels require registered nicks and even passwords to join.
14:04:04 <Sean_> what?
14:10:56 <glikins> Sean_ you can set a room up as "secure" so that it requires a pw to join
14:11:17 <Sean_> for our team?
14:12:04 <Sean_> glikens for our team?
14:12:36 <glikins> well, you might need one if (for instance) you managed to convince your whole department to use IRC and you decided to do all your department meeetings in IRC and talk abotu things like students (which would require privacy)
14:13:08 <Sean_> Oh, you mean **can** you ... yes.
14:13:16 <glikins> (unlikely but an example -- my team at work has a private channel and a public channel .)
14:13:26 <glikins> yes, you *can*, not you *should*
14:13:28 <Sean_> I just created one called #hfoss_jazz_team ...
14:13:31 <glikins> :-)
14:13:35 <alex_mezei> this is useful for creating a password protected irc channel:     http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Private-Channel-in-IRC
14:13:57 <Sean_> so, #hfoss_jazz_team has a password of parker
14:14:03 <Sean_> try that.
14:14:49 <Sean_> Yeah, I don't trust anything on the internet is really private ... but you can do it to prevent non-memberes from noising things up.
14:16:06 <glikins> yes
14:40:02 <alex_mezei> FOSSISM: "do you like fries .... or you like making them ..."?  :))
14:40:20 * alex_mezei giggles
14:48:36 <heidie> #topic 3.2 Sharing HFOSS Learning Activities
14:48:52 <heidie> #info Please use the template on foss2serve when creating activities
14:58:23 <glikins> heidie: so, for example: a small module on "stuff to know about licensing" and then another module that
14:58:30 <glikins> 's "exercises around licenseing"
14:58:39 <heidie> Right, yes.
14:58:44 <glikins> and then others could add some additional exercises
14:58:50 <heidie> Yes! I like the idea.
14:59:10 <glikins> and with good metadata you could pick and choose
14:59:38 <glikins> that's why I'm thinking a strong CMS with "clumps" of data
14:59:50 <glikins> (videos), (texts), (snippets)
15:00:01 <heidie> Yes, right.
15:01:09 <heidie> Stoney's group is heading this way as they're looking at finding a collection of "artifacts" like bug reports, IRC chats, code snippets etc. that faculty members can build exercises around.
15:15:30 <darci> #link
15:15:35 <darci> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Faculty_Proposal_Template
15:17:25 <EdMirielli> where is day 2 IRC log posted?
15:18:41 <lubaochuan> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Faculty_Proposal_Template
16:23:30 <alex_mezei> i sent 4 pictures to your emails but for some reason it shows "sent" (on my PC) but some of you did not yet receive them.  Anyone received my photos?
17:56:46 <EdMirielli> #info Open Street map
19:10:50 <barrettk> exit
17:07:34 <barrettk> I'm just giving my students a tour.
16:16:37 <stoney> #endmeeting