16:03:33 <heidie> #startmeeting
16:03:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 20 16:03:33 2015 UTC.  The chair is heidie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:03:46 <heidie> #chair ghislop
16:03:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: ghislop heidie
16:03:52 <heidie> #chair #kussmaul
16:03:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: #kussmaul ghislop heidie
16:04:00 <heidie> #chair kussmaul
16:04:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: #kussmaul ghislop heidie kussmaul
16:04:08 <heidie> Too many hash tags?
16:04:14 <heidie> #chair cmacdonell
16:04:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: #kussmaul cmacdonell ghislop heidie kussmaul
16:04:25 <docrea> One can never have too many ;}
16:04:30 <heidie> Right!
16:04:37 <heidie> The agenda for our meeting is here:
16:04:40 <heidie> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2
16:05:02 <heidie> Not a long agenda with the main goal of answering questions.
16:05:20 <heidie> Let's start by having everyone introduce themselves briefly. Just so that we can get a sense of who is with us.
16:05:26 <heidie> cmacdonell: We'll let you go first?
16:05:39 <nanette> I guess I will ask a question
16:05:49 <docrea> Alan Rea, Western Michigan Univ.
16:06:01 <emme> Emily Lovell, UC Santa Cruz
16:06:03 <Joe_W> Hi...Joe Welch...CS instructor at small comm college in Salinas CA (Spinach!)
16:06:13 <heidie> Super, next?
16:06:31 <DJBouvier> Dennis Bouvier, Southern Illinois University Edwardsville (near St. Louis)
16:06:32 <kussmaul> Clif Kussmaul, Muhlenberg College
16:06:45 <ghislop> Hi all... Greg Hislop, Drexel University...
16:06:49 <heidie> wonderful! docrea?
16:07:00 <heidie> Heidi Ellis, Western New England University
16:07:22 <DJBouvier> docrea_afk ?
16:07:26 <heidie> Hmm, emme are you with us?
16:07:42 <docrea> That's my other signin...I'm not there ;}
16:07:45 <emme> I am! I just went but maybe it didn't come through?
16:07:54 <emme> Emily Lovell here from UC Santa Cruz
16:08:04 <heidie> :-) Thanks emme
16:08:14 <docrea> Alan Rea, Western Michigan Univ.
16:08:16 <emme> no problem :)
16:08:19 <heidie> Ah, good.
16:08:23 <heidie> And rsjodin?
16:08:25 <ghislop> emme: your first posting came through too...
16:08:28 <rsjodin> Rob Sjodin, Regis University
16:08:41 <heidie> Great!
16:09:17 <heidie> Hi LizJ would you like to introduce yourself?
16:09:47 <LizJ> Liz Johnson, I teach at Xavier U. Sorry I'm late!
16:10:07 <heidie> Not a problem.
16:10:14 <heidie> Let's move on then.
16:10:15 <heidie> #topic Summary of Progress on Part 1
16:11:00 <heidie> So how are people coming on the Stage 1 materials?
16:11:17 * docrea finished up PartB this morning.
16:11:18 * heidie needs to remember to use "Stage" in place of "Part"
16:11:26 <heidie> Good!
16:12:07 <DJBouvier> #info #DJBouvier working on Part B; with plans to be done with Part B tomorrow
16:12:10 <Joe_W> I am good w/ Part A...need to focus on Part B - I find the lessons needed and interesting...
16:12:31 <heidie> Good!
16:12:31 <rsjodin> I believe the only part I haven’t done is the steps that were associtated with the broken links.
16:12:34 <Joe_W> Pulls together info helpful for OS dev - have begun to share with students...
16:12:39 <LizJ> I just finished the Field trip of Part B and moving on to the next stage.
16:12:49 * heidie thinks DJBouvier has used the #info tag nicely!
16:13:02 <DJBouvier> :)
16:13:08 <emme> I've read Part B but need to go back through and finish the activity parts of it
16:13:16 <ghislop> rsjodin: the link to the article is fixed; the links on OpenHub seem to be working sometimes...
16:13:25 <heidie> Please remember to log your progress on foss2serve where indicated.
16:13:35 <rsjodin> Great; thanks.
16:14:04 <heidie> We will use some of this material during Stage 2 so having the information available ahead of time is helpful.
16:14:11 <emme> (Oh! And yes! I need to add some notes to my wiki page - I just realized I forgot to copy and paste some things there for Part A)
16:14:28 <heidie> :-)
16:14:41 <heidie> OK, moving on...
16:14:48 <heidie> #topic Questions about Stage 1
16:14:57 <heidie> What questions do folks have about stage 1?
16:15:11 <Joe_W> No Q's for now...
16:15:24 <ghislop> A general comment:  many of you are starting fall term in the next few weeks - you might want to try to finish stage 1 before the chaos hits...
16:15:36 <heidie> Good idea!
16:15:38 <DJBouvier> caos started this morning
16:15:48 <heidie> Ah, ealy!
16:15:51 <heidie> "early"
16:15:52 <Joe_W> Thanks...we started Tue - advice is wise  :)
16:16:02 <rsjodin> Yes, we start next week.
16:16:31 * ghislop notes that this is the right time of the year to be on a quarter term... Drexel doesn't start until 9/21...  :-)
16:16:34 <docrea> Question on the HFOSS projects and class items. I chose one and made some lists of items, but should we also talk to one of the HFOSS project coordinators?
16:17:11 <heidie> docrea: by "HFOSS project coordinator" do you mean a contact within the HFOSS project? Or one of the POSSE team members?
16:18:30 <LizJ> Not sure how specific the questions can be but I had trouble on the field trip with determining what statuses meant on the projects. I can intuit what they mean from other contexts, but not from SourceForge
16:18:53 <heidie> There is no need to contact the HFOSS project unless you are planning immediate involvement in the project or immediate student involvement.
16:19:07 <rsjodin> Yeah, I wasn’t sure about the definitions of the statuses.
16:19:17 <ghislop> docrea: if your question is about talking with the POSSE team, we'd be happy to talk, but not necessary before the stage 2 days in Raleigh; feel free to explore
16:19:27 <DJBouvier> ditto on statuses on source forge
16:19:30 <heidie> The planning of this POSSE assumed that instructors wouldn't likely try to do anything in the fall term, but might try some activities in the spring.
16:19:46 <docrea> OK. I was considering some for Fall. I did join Github and plan on pulling some of the code. Perhaps have some students work on the Wiki.
16:19:52 <Joe_W> Helpful info ...thanks
16:20:05 <heidie> rsjodin: Are you referring to the statuses on the bug report activity?
16:20:17 <ghislop> LizJ: the definitions are not tightly defined, but generally used as you would expect from other contexts
16:20:30 <rsjodin> No, rather the statuses of the projects.
16:20:48 <docrea> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/User:Alan.rea
16:21:22 <rsjodin> I believe there was a question on what the statuses meant, but I just guessed because I couldn’t find definitions.
16:21:56 <heidie> Ah, right.
16:22:50 <heidie> docrea  Of course you may do activities this fall if you'd like.  And having students work on the wiki is a great place to start.
16:23:44 <heidie> OK, whose question hasn't yet been answered?
16:23:51 <heidie> (about Stage 1)
16:24:00 <nanette> this is nanette, back on
16:24:22 <nanette> I missed about 10 minutes -- I wanted to ask about the various "deliverables'
16:24:51 <heidie> Sure nanette, go ahead
16:25:02 <nanette> As I'm going through the exercises, I find various questions -- are these to be posted on the wiki?
16:25:26 <nanette> some of them... the status question perhaps is an example -- just seem sort of "live body tests"
16:25:36 <ghislop> nanette: wiki posting is fine.  if you want a quick answer, email the team or other participants
16:25:59 <nanette> these are answers to questions not questions I have
16:26:13 <heidie> And yes, we would like folks to post answers to the questions on the wiki.
16:26:14 <ghislop> nanette: stage 2 is also a time when we can discuss questions that come up during stage 1
16:26:28 <nanette> ok
16:27:02 <heidie> In particular, the answers to FOSS in Courses activity would be helpful as we go into Stage 2.
16:27:35 <heidie> And I do tend to hang out in this IRC channel so feel free to ping me here if you have questions.
16:27:37 <ghislop> nanette: some of the questions are not difficult, but serve to point out features - the questions for the FOSS Field trip fit that description for the most part
16:28:10 <heidie> Any other questions on Stage 1?
16:28:35 <heidie> OK, moving on...
16:28:41 <heidie> #topic Questions about Stage 2
16:29:45 <heidie> We are trying to coordinate travel from the airport to the hotel upon arrival.
16:29:57 <DJBouvier> I've only skimmed the agenda, so no Qs yet
16:29:58 <heidie> We have a pad open for you to log your arrival and departure times:
16:30:00 <heidie> #link https://titanpad.com/POSSETravel
16:30:36 <rsjodin> Ok, in the FOSS in Course Planning section, can you provide a definition of a “activity/topic within FOSS project of interest”  Step 3.1  …
16:30:48 <ghislop> we'll have some more explicit directions on the local travel in Raleigh in the coming week.. after we get the titanpad info Heidi just requested.
16:30:52 * heidie looks
16:31:08 <rsjodin> I was interpreting that as Developer, Documentation, Testing, but I think I’m wrong.
16:32:31 <heidie> rsjodin: Your interpretation is correct.  The idea here is to think about what kinds of things that would be useful to do with students within the project.
16:32:52 <rsjodin> Very good.  That helps a lot.
16:33:15 <heidie> For instance, do you want students to understand testing by reading tests, or to help fix documentation.
16:33:36 <rsjodin> Yep, thanks.
16:33:48 <heidie> What other questions are there?
16:34:21 <cmacdonell> Do we have an idea of the projects that people are most interested in?
16:34:36 <cmacdonell> (sorry I'm late)
16:35:03 <heidie> Good question!
16:35:26 <docrea> I'm most interested in working on the Android portion of Ushahidi. I teach multiple Android programming courses.
16:35:44 * ghislop notes that while you should be thinking about projects, it's fine at this point if you haven't picked one...
16:35:51 <cmacdonell> Exciting times as V3 of Ushahidi was just released http://www.ushahidi.com/blog/2015/08/19/ushahidi-version-3-0-is-here
16:36:05 <DJBouvier> #info most interested in OpenMRS - but willing to work on any
16:36:14 <rsjodin> On the one hand, I’m inclined to let students pick (when working by themselves), but on a team effort (in SW Engineering), I’m inclined to go with OpenRMS.  Does that work?
16:36:24 <LizJ> I'm still looking at all of them.
16:36:34 <Joe_W> still looking
16:36:35 <emme> I'm also most interested in OpenMRS right now (but that may change)
16:36:40 <rsjodin> OpenMRS
16:36:44 * docrea Grats on v3. Have the codebase set to pull from Github.
16:36:51 <heidie> Sure, and note that you can change during Stage 2 as well.
16:36:54 <ghislop> rsjodin: your choice, but in general having students work on the same project seems to be much easier
16:37:03 <nanette> Mifos, but others are interesting too
16:37:05 <cmacdonell> rsjodin: both can work, but I would push you towards picking one project for all students if this is the first time using HFOSS in a corse
16:37:08 <heidie> rsjodin: Less overhead on the part of the instructor.
16:37:25 <rsjodin> Good feedback.
16:37:37 <nanette> and, hey, there *is* another Nan(n)ette in Sahana ...
16:38:38 <heidie> Yup!
16:38:39 <cmacdonell> Is that the Nanette of past POSSEs?
16:38:46 <heidie> Yes, it is!
16:38:53 <ghislop> nanette: finding people with a common name is not one of the factors we considered in our project evaluation/selection model!  :-)
16:39:09 <nanette> sure, sure
16:39:25 <ghislop> nanette: we'll have to consider adding that?  :-)
16:39:43 <nanette> I think my students will like the application of the mifos and having a motivating application is a big deal here
16:39:49 <heidie> Yes, right.
16:40:27 <ghislop> very much so... the whole idea behind humanitarian projects is that they seem to hook students in a different way
16:40:56 <rsjodin> They’re more rewarding.
16:41:32 <ghislop> I also think that there's some excellent educational value in the exposure to humanitarian efforts...
16:41:43 <heidie> Yes. I have found that when my students actually get an idea of the users, they're incredibly motivated.
16:42:24 <cmacdonell> One cool thing about Ushahidi is that they've been open about their development and goals in version 3 which was a complete re-write
16:42:25 <ghislop> Any other questions?
16:42:59 <cmacdonell> So for people teaching Software Engineering you can follow their process to this release (and perhaps discuss why it was 8 months later than projected)
16:43:34 <heidie> :-)
16:43:37 <heidie> Any other questions?
16:43:39 <nanette> I'm looking through the last IRC session page and find refs to "offending page" -- was that the dead link we got email about?
16:43:49 <emme> We have one more IRC meeting in a couple of weeks - is that right?
16:44:04 <ghislop> emme: correct.
16:44:07 <heidie> Yes, one more IRC in a couple of weeks.
16:44:09 <emme> Great, thanks
16:44:25 <rsjodin> Another one tomorrow at 10:00am EST?
16:44:34 <heidie> ghislop: Can you answer the question about the dead links?
16:44:42 <ghislop> rsjodin: correct
16:44:47 <nanette> ok
16:44:53 <heidie> rsjodin: Yes, another IRC tomorrow at 10:00.  If you've attended this one, no need to attend the one tomorrow.
16:45:10 <heidie> We just needed to have three sessions to make sure that everyone could attend.
16:45:12 <emme> (I have been finding it helpful to look at the logs though!)
16:45:19 <nanette> me too
16:45:29 <emme> lots of questions getting answered there
16:45:32 <docrea> #link www.xcitegroup.org/softhum/doku.php?id=f:assignments has not worked yet.
16:45:58 <nanette> not so much the meeting minutes
16:46:04 <heidie> Ah, right.
16:46:16 <heidie> The xcitegroup.org site is on a server that is currently down
16:46:16 <ghislop> nanette: I haven't looked at the last log... the only question I got via the team was about the dead links...
16:46:30 <heidie> My understanding is that ghislop is working on getting that fixed.
16:46:32 <heidie> Sorry!
16:47:17 <ghislop> Right... that's a problem that's showing up as a multi-drive failure in a RAID array...  taking some time to sort out.
16:47:33 <heidie> So work around those issues. Sorry about that.
16:47:34 <nanette> yes, checking back on those minutes, the "offending page" is that xcitegroup link
16:47:58 * heidie thinks that it is wonderful that folks are reading the IRC meeting notes!
16:48:34 <ghislop> the only link to that server was for the SIGCSE article on project evaluation/selection.  I've provided an alternative source for the article.
16:49:18 <heidie> And the "assignments" link is still broken and hopefully will be fixed soon.
16:49:43 <ghislop> nanette: the meeting minutes are more useful in a more structured meeting where more bot commands are used
16:50:47 <nanette> yes, I could see that -- the logs are very useful for these less structured meetings
16:51:37 <ghislop> docrea: thanks. I missed that link.  I'll see what I can do to provide an alternative there...
16:52:29 <heidie> Other questions?
16:52:35 <nanette> I'm good
16:52:44 <rsjodin> No
16:52:53 <docrea> I'm good. Thanks.
16:52:56 <LizJ> I'm good
16:52:58 <Joe_W> All good
16:53:04 <DJBouvier> good
16:53:13 <emme> All good
16:53:31 <ghislop> docrea: we can fix that link with an alternative (and newer) page on foss2serve.  I'll make that change and then email everyone...
16:53:32 <heidie> Wonderful! So nice to chat with you all today!
16:53:41 <Joe_W> Thank you...
16:53:42 <rsjodin> Same here.
16:53:48 <heidie> Looking forward to seeing you all in three weeks!
16:53:53 <LizJ> Thanks.
16:53:54 * docrea hopes everyone enjoys what is left of summer if you haven't started the semester yet.
16:53:55 <emme> Thanks!
16:53:57 <ghislop> Thanks all....
16:54:09 <heidie> #endmeeting