14:00:48 <lorip> #startmeeting
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14:01:00 <lorip> #topic IRC meeting #3
14:01:07 <heidie> And off we go!
14:01:20 <heidie> Just a reminder to use the #info when you have things that should go into the formatted notes.
14:01:21 <lorip> hi everyone!
14:01:42 <stefan_c> Hi folks! Happy Friday :)
14:01:56 <lorip> the first order of business for this morning is a quick roll call - if you can identify yourself and your institution that would be great
14:02:04 <lorip> let's do it alphabetically by nick
14:02:06 <heidie> Agenda for the meeting is here:
14:02:08 <heidie> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2
14:02:23 <ChuckD> Chuck Dierbach from Towson University
14:02:55 <lorip> cmacdonell: you on?
14:03:15 <lorip> ghislop: you on?
14:03:37 <lorip> ok, glikins, you are up
14:04:02 * heidie thinks we could invent some really fun introductions for each other :-)
14:04:29 <lorip> heidie - I think it is your turn...
14:04:40 * heidie notes that people often "hang out" on irc and only pay attention when "pinged"
14:04:46 <heidie> I'm Heidi Ellis, Western New England University
14:05:00 <heidie> howardf: you're next!1
14:05:04 <lorip> which is why I used people's nick hoping to get their attention
14:05:07 <howardf> Howard Francis, University of Pikeville
14:05:10 <jdehlinger> Josh Dehlinger, Towson University
14:05:24 <jfrench> Jean French, Coastal Carolina University
14:05:31 <JimHuggins> Jim Huggins, Kettering University (Flint, MI)
14:05:34 <[1]Kate> Kate Lockwood, University of St. Thomas
14:05:46 <karena> Karen Alkoby, Gallaudet Univ
14:05:51 <lorip> Lori Postner, Nassau Community College
14:05:54 <rsjodin> Rob Sjodin, Regis University (Denver)
14:05:57 <stefan_c> Stefan Christov, Quinnipiac University
14:06:13 <lorip> thanks!
14:06:18 <heidie> Welcome everyone!
14:06:22 <lorip> #topic travel arrangements
14:06:39 <lorip> we have a titanpad set up to get everyone's arrival and departure information
14:06:50 <lorip> #link https://titanpad.com/POSSETravel
14:07:09 <lorip> please add your information as it will help us figure out transportation
14:07:15 <lorip> does anyone have travel questions?
14:07:50 <jfrench> None here.  I'm driving.
14:08:00 <lorip> if you can add info in chronological order that would be great
14:08:24 <howardf> do you want those driving in to post?
14:08:25 <JimHuggins> I'm assuming the list is then to figure out shuttle/carpool/etc from the airport to ... um, somewhere :)
14:08:42 <lorip> JimHuggins: exactly!
14:08:43 <heidie> If you're able to provide transportation between hotel and Red Hat, it would be useful to know that
14:09:05 <heidie> We're going to rent cars and perhaps use taxis so if we had folks who could transport, that would be really helpful.
14:10:15 <lorip> has everyone been able to make hotel reservations?
14:10:42 <heidie> I think everyone on this IRC is registered.
14:10:48 <heidie> Although not without some hiccups. :-)
14:11:02 <lorip> ok - let's move on
14:11:11 <lorip> #topic activity progress
14:11:37 <lorip> how are the activities going?
14:12:05 <JimHuggins> Managed to get them done last night, I think.  <whew>
14:12:20 <lorip> I know there were some link problems that Greg addressed in an email - any other problems?
14:12:21 <[1]Kate> I couldn't find the official definitions of the different project statuses on Source Forge. I am sure there is an obvious place that I am missing. Is there a page that gives definitions?
14:12:39 <jdehlinger> I'm also mostly finished but may go back and add a bit to the last writeup
14:12:48 <karena> I have  not yet started but  i have noticed some project seem to be dead or inactivity
14:12:55 <JimHuggins> There were some links that were down ... but I think I got enough of the vibe that I probably won't go back.
14:12:55 <stefan_c> I am almost done. Have FOSS in Courses Planning 1 left to do.
14:13:05 <heidie> [1]Kate: Good question.  the idea behind the definitions is to get a general idea of the status of the project.
14:13:11 <jfrench> Just started.
14:13:29 <ChuckD> Almost done. Have course planning to do.
14:13:30 <heidie> Please do post your responses to the activities on foss2serve as noted in the activities.
14:13:45 <heidie> We will be using some of these during Stage 2 in a couple of weeks.
14:13:50 <stefan_c> I have a questions related to project statuses. What are the main differences between "Mature" and "Production/Stable" statuses?
14:13:59 <[1]Kate> heidie: Thanks!
14:14:12 <JimHuggins> The obsessive-compulsive in me must point out that the Blog Activity has Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 5.  :)
14:14:19 <howardf> I couldn't get pages from xcitegroup to load
14:14:23 <lorip> heidie: can you answer stefan_c's question?
14:14:41 <lorip> howardf - which activity are you referring to?
14:14:44 * heidie reads back...
14:14:57 <howardf> FOSS In Courses Activity
14:15:07 <lorip> JimHuggins - good catch - we must have missed that when we updated the activity
14:15:47 <lorip> heidie: is the xcitegroup problem the same as the sigcse paper issue?
14:16:18 <heidie> stefan_c: Ah, I believe that "Mature" may mean that the product has been worked on for a while while "Production/Stable" means that is is reliably usable.
14:16:23 <heidie> But iI'm not entirely sure
14:16:37 <heidie> lorip: Yes, there is a problem with the xcitegroup server.
14:17:06 <heidie> So all links to xcitegroup are broken because the server is down. Greg is working on fixing this.
14:17:07 <stefan_c> Thanks, heidie.
14:17:12 <JimHuggins> "Mature" vs. "Stable": for me, it looked like "Mature" was a kinder way of saying "usable, but dying"
14:17:17 * lorip reading back to make sure I didn't miss anything
14:17:42 <heidie> And just as a reminder, note that the progress on the Stage 1 activities is outlined here:
14:17:45 <heidie> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php?title=Stage_1_Activities&oldid=4513
14:18:32 <heidie> JimHuggins: We appreciate obsessive/compulsives!  Catching errors is good!
14:18:46 <lorip> [1]Kate asked about a page with the definitions of the project status - did anyone find one?
14:19:15 <ChuckD> That was one of my questions too
14:19:17 <rsjodin> I looked but did not find definitions of project statuses.
14:21:05 * lorip looking
14:22:13 <heidie> OK, I give up. I'm not finding it anywhere in the documentation.
14:22:20 <heidie> Sourceforge documentation that is.
14:22:41 <lorip> heidie: do you know if the status is something common across open source or specific to source forge?
14:23:05 <lorip> I give up too - I thought there was a page in the past, but I can't find it now
14:23:12 <karena> I have a question?   I was looking at https://wiki.gnome.org/ShowSounds    I am not sure what status the project is in now  It seems to be inactivity
14:23:30 <[1]Kate> heidie: thanks for looking! I am glad I am not going crazy! I was sure it must be there somewhere but could not find it.
14:23:47 <heidie> Nope, I haven't been able to find it.
14:24:31 <heidie> karena: I'm getting a broken link?
14:25:44 <karena> Go to https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/IntroATs   then look for ShowSounds link    It obviously tell me this is a "dead "  site
14:26:07 <karena> I am asking because this is something that I or my students could contribute this area
14:27:31 <heidie> ah, got it
14:27:43 <lorip> karena: it looks like that it something that was proposed, but not developed yet
14:27:45 <heidie> karena: ShowSounds appears to be a proposed standard, but not a project as yet per se.
14:27:49 <heidie> Yes.
14:28:04 <heidie> karena: You are in a unique position to pick that project up.
14:28:29 <heidie> I have been working with Joannie Diggs who is the team co-lead for the GNOME Accessibility Team.
14:29:00 <karena> how would I find someone to contact or initiate this
14:29:01 <heidie> karena: If you are interested in that project, we can set up a time to have a joint IRC with you and I and Joanie and talk about project possibilities.
14:29:07 <lorip> other questions about the current activities?
14:29:13 <karena> Oh  I just notice  Joannie Diggs
14:29:37 <heidie> :-)
14:29:51 * heidie notes that reading IRC chats is complicated!
14:29:55 <karena> Heidie   I guess I'll email you to ask you more question on this area
14:30:06 <heidie> Yes, do! I know that Joanie will be thrilled1
14:30:27 <karena> ok :-)
14:31:21 <lorip> any questions about the face to face workshop in Raleigh?
14:32:17 <jfrench> To summarize:  Thursday September 10th 1:30 to Saturday, September 12th 3:30
14:32:24 <heidie> Yup!
14:32:41 <karena> Make sure you have an excellent American Sign Language interpreter for me
14:33:02 <rsjodin> Has the agenda been posted (sorry if this has already mentioned).  i.e., what are the activities?
14:33:11 <heidie> glikins: Can you comment on the ASL support we have coming?
14:33:17 <karena> I have one more question.   Yesterday I read an article I have a question what is the best way to find the specific oos  http://www.multichannel.com/news/technology/fcc-boosting-open-video-platform-deaf/393135
14:33:36 <heidie> rsjodin: Yes, there is a schedule. We're still working on the details.
14:33:44 <stefan_c> If I understand correctly, the plan is for the majority of us to get together at the hotel on Thursday and leave together for the workshop. Does this sound correct?
14:33:45 <lorip> rsjodin: we haven't posted an agenda yet, we are working on it
14:33:53 <heidie> rsjodin: You'll be getting an email soon about logistics and it will have the schedule.
14:34:11 <rsjodin> Thanks.
14:34:30 <heidie> stefan_c: We're still working this out. Not sure if it makes sense to go to the hotel and then to Red Hat.
14:34:35 <heidie> We'll make this clear in the email.
14:34:36 <lorip> karena: I'm not sure I understand your question - are you asking how to find an open source project?
14:34:49 <stefan_c> Great, thanks, heidie.
14:35:01 <lorip> stefan_c: we are going to look at arrival times and figure out what makes sense
14:35:49 <heidie> karena: We are using Interpreters Unlimited www.interpretersunlimited.com
14:36:26 <lorip> heidie: have I missed any topics?
14:36:39 <karena> I'll check later
14:36:48 * heidie looks at the agenda
14:37:10 <heidie> I think we've covered it!
14:37:41 <lorip> any other questions/concerns?
14:38:09 <ChuckD> One more - I haven't received any email from TOS
14:38:13 <lorip> we will be having  more IRC meeting the week of Aug. 31st - look for a doodle poll next week sometime
14:38:22 <ChuckD> I think that I registered properly
14:38:28 <heidie> Ah, TOS has been fairly dormant lately.
14:38:31 * lorip checking, I don't think I've gotten any recently
14:38:33 <JimHuggins> will we get feedback on any of these completed phases?   I mean, I think I'm doing everything I'm supposed to be doing, but not sure if I've missed something (or if the effort is enough ...)
14:38:36 <heidie> I haven't gotten an email in several weeks.
14:38:56 <ChuckD> OK, thanks
14:38:58 <JimHuggins> (yes, whining like my students do when I don't grade their homework :) )
14:39:07 <rsjodin> Too funny
14:39:09 <lorip> ChuckD: I haven't received any TOS  emails this month
14:39:12 <heidie> JimHuggins: We're reviewing what people are doing, but not providing direct feedback unless it looks like someone is having trouble.
14:39:14 <heidie> :-)
14:39:26 <JimHuggins> okay, so "no news is good news".  I can live with that.
14:39:33 <stefan_c> :)
14:39:36 <rsjodin> Me too
14:39:45 <lorip> please let us know if you run into any problems with Part C activities
14:39:58 <rsjodin> Will do.
14:40:09 <lorip> anything else?
14:40:10 <jfrench> Thinking I better get moving on part B!
14:40:47 <heidie> Just a note that I'll be hanging around on this IRC channel for the next couple of weeks.
14:41:00 <lorip> if you haven't started your term yet, I hope you enjoy the rest of your summer break :)
14:41:02 <heidie> Feel free to drop in and ask questions. Just remember to use my nick so that I know that you're pinging em.
14:41:06 <heidie> Right! Yes!
14:41:17 <lorip> I'm going to stop the meetbot and post the log and minutes
14:41:17 * howardf 's term starts Monday
14:41:38 <lorip> you can get them #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities#Part_B:_Second_Two_Weeks
14:41:42 <jfrench> We are already back.  My first grader started yesterday.  I still have a 4yr old at home.
14:41:43 <rsjodin> Starts Monday for me too.
14:41:44 <JimHuggins> I'm dying in midterms right now.  (sigh)
14:42:04 <lorip> JimHuggins: midterms?  what is your schedule?
14:42:08 <heidie> JimHuggins: Good luck!
14:42:25 <karena> Already started with numerous meetings until Aug 31st
14:42:35 <JimHuggins> Kettering has a wacky schedule.   Summer Term started the week after Independence Day.
14:42:58 <JimHuggins> Goes with all the other wackiness of Kettering ... msg me off-chat if you want more info :)
14:43:14 <lorip> that is tough - hope you get through midterms!
14:43:21 <lorip> ok - ending the meeting
14:43:25 <lorip> #endmeeting