15:17:04 #startmeeting fpc 15:17:04 Meeting started Wed May 25 15:17:04 2011 UTC. The chair is abadger1999. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:17:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:17:20 #meetingname fpc 15:17:20 The meeting name has been set to 'fpc' 15:18:10 #addchair limburgher tibbs_ racor SmootherFrOgZ 15:18:55 Ah. 15:18:57 #addchair tibbs 15:19:08 If we're all really here we have quorum. 15:19:20 i am 15:19:25 Sorry, I'm running really late today. 15:19:39 #addchair rdieter 15:19:57 oh hello 15:20:06 racor, SmootherFrOgZ: You guys around? 15:20:15 We only have a few items that I see ready in trac. 15:20:15 Looks like I didn't miss anything. 15:20:46 yeah, without spot, we spent a bit of time figuring out what to do :-) 15:20:58 If it's any of my stuff, I need to make sure it's set as not ready because I've barely had time to process SCM requests. 15:22:02 yep, ... lurking 15:22:36 Well, that's five. 15:23:07 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/85 15:23:38 This is a small change to the systemd guidelines to add compat symlinks when changing the service name between sysvinit scripts and systemd unit files. 15:24:01 For things like httpd, named, etc? 15:24:11 That way service httpd start would continue to work even though the srvice file is renamed to apache-httpd.service. 15:24:16 It looks reasonable. 15:24:16 Correct. 15:24:29 How long do we keep the symlinks? 15:24:34 So systemd doesn't have any issues with having two names for one service? 15:25:14 tibbs: according to notting, systemd will handle it fine. 15:26:38 limburgher: I was going to leave how long up to maintainer discretion. 15:27:11 abadger1999: Reasonable. I would imagine at least one RHEL release, but I see no issue with forever. 15:27:44 15:28:55 I just tested it. 15:29:18 It appears to work OK; when you query the symlinked name, systemd just treats it as an alias. 15:29:40 Exactly like I would expect. Nice. 15:29:47 Well, not completely. 15:29:50 It must be a symlink. 15:29:58 hard links seem to confuse it. 15:30:03 tibbs: i think that's reasonable 15:30:18 (to document to use symlinks) 15:30:33 Yes, just making sure the draft is clear that symlinks must be used. 15:30:35 Which it is. 15:31:45 Anyway, this appears to be reasonable to me and in line with our general "follow upstream when whenever possible" rule. 15:32:03 tibbs: Even moreso than status quo. 15:33:40 Shall we vote? 15:33:46 I think. 15:33:47 +1 15:33:51 +1 15:34:14 +1 15:35:25 rdieter, racor: have votes to cast? 15:35:31 +1 15:35:40 (sorry, I'll have to go afk for a bit) 15:35:48 15:36:14 -1 15:36:23 sorry typo: +1 15:36:40 That's like the worst possible typo in that context. :) 15:37:59 sorry I'm late … I guess +1 … although it might be nice to say something about the package name => unit name mapping? 15:38:03 yeah, I meant +1, but was using the keypad ... 15:38:41 geppetto: What do you have in mind? 15:39:08 15:39:38 Just it'd be nice to if you installed the package "foobar" and the service was called "foobar" and not "foobar-almost" or whatever 15:40:00 Should we make a matching symlink mandatory? 15:40:29 What about virtual provides? Like httpd, webserver? #spitballing 15:40:43 Probably messy. #nm 15:40:59 Having a "httpd" unit is just going to create a war over what it refers to 15:41:32 yeah -- you'd need to use alternatives or something to control the virtual provides. 15:41:35 So would be then have to rename httpd to apache? 15:41:43 ick. 15:42:27 I don't think we demand that the package name and service name match presently. 15:42:29 Well in the case of httpd, I don't mind them having a symlink to match the package name … but I thought we were supposed to have renamed the package like 10 years ago :) 15:42:49 abadger1999: we don't … but whenever they don't match I want to hurt someone :) 15:42:57 :-) 15:43:02 15:43:09 I totally get that. Sadly. 15:43:35 geppetto: How about we make a separate proposal to get that changed? I need to think about it more. 15:43:43 sure, no problem 15:43:49 Cool. 15:43:57 as you said, it's no different than now 15:44:03 Good idea, there's nothing in this that precludes that later. 15:45:02 #agreed systemd symlink compat passes (+1: +5, +0: 0, -1: 0) 15:45:14 #topic Open Floor 15:45:23 I don't see any more tickets that are ready. 15:45:33 Anyone have anything else they want to discuss? 15:45:46 or point to a ticket that I missed? 15:47:37 Nothing from me. 15:48:03 Okay, I'll close the meeting in 60 15:48:35 30 15:48:58 No, but one OT item. 15:49:32 notting, tibbs: How to I get an invite to cvsadmin? I'm willing to pitch in, if that's feasible. 15:50:31 Honestly I don't know. 15:50:38 .members cvsadmin 15:50:38 * abadger1999 closes meeting and then goes on with the cvsadmin discussion 15:50:38 tibbs: Members of cvsadmin: ausil huzaifas @jkeating jwboyer kevin lmacken mikeb @mmcgrath @notting petersen spot tibbs toshio @wtogami 15:50:40 #endmeeting