17:00:08 <geppetto> #startmeeting fpc
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17:00:08 <geppetto> #meetingname fpc
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17:00:08 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
17:00:15 <mhroncok> hey
17:00:20 <carlwgeorge> howdy
17:00:38 <decathorpe> I am here but my body is not ready
17:00:46 <geppetto> ha
17:00:50 <geppetto> #chair mhroncok
17:00:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mhroncok
17:00:50 <mhroncok> I am here but my brian is not ready
17:00:52 <geppetto> #chair carlwgeorge
17:00:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge geppetto mhroncok
17:00:55 <geppetto> #chair decathorpe
17:00:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge decathorpe geppetto mhroncok
17:03:00 <defolos> 👋
17:03:24 <mhroncok> defolos: hi
17:03:44 <defolos> mhroncok: any news from igor?
17:03:52 <mhroncok> nothing new
17:03:57 <tibbs> Hey, folks.
17:04:02 <mhroncok> hi tibbs
17:04:15 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
17:04:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge decathorpe geppetto mhroncok tibbs
17:04:26 <defolos> that's a pity, please send him our best wishes
17:05:02 <defolos> if he wants I can send him cookies or bagels 🍪
17:07:52 <geppetto> #topic Schedule
17:07:55 <geppetto> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/HASAPOC4ULUTEZOWKLZZLTXLCS267EX4/
17:08:03 <geppetto> Same sched. as last time
17:08:34 <geppetto> Again, not much happening atm. … so should be a quick meeting.
17:08:43 <geppetto> Also worth noting that I'll be eating turkey next week
17:08:48 <tibbs> There was that one PR which came in recently.
17:08:52 <geppetto> And, I'm guessing, a bunch of you will too.
17:08:58 <tibbs> Oh, crap, it's only a week away.
17:09:12 <tibbs> I'm still amazed that it's Thursday again already.
17:09:28 * geppetto nods
17:09:33 <geppetto> 1030?
17:09:38 <decathorpe> if it helps for moving the Rust PR forward, I can remove the "controversial" bit about simplifying the license
17:09:45 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
17:09:47 <geppetto> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1030
17:09:51 <tibbs> Yeah, 1030.
17:11:39 <decathorpe> I don't like it that some maintainers just ignore "the spec file in fedora dist-git must the canonical one". so codifying that would make that even worse
17:11:54 <carlwgeorge> yup
17:11:55 <tibbs> Personally I just don't see the point.  And I don't understand what useful value we would get from making it machine-discoverable.
17:12:04 * King_InuYasha waves
17:12:07 <King_InuYasha> sorry about being late
17:12:10 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa
17:12:11 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
17:12:23 <decathorpe> and I don't get what documenting it in the spec file would be good for. the maintainer actually knows where their upstream .spec file is, and other contributors must not need care
17:12:25 <geppetto> #chair King_InuYasha
17:12:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: King_InuYasha carlwgeorge decathorpe geppetto mhroncok tibbs
17:12:44 <King_InuYasha> oh boy, we're talking about the spec thing
17:13:02 <mhroncok> ultimately I'm -1 to this
17:13:16 <mhroncok> but I am open to see more arguments about why is this needed or useful
17:13:31 <carlwgeorge> in the scenario given, having this in place wouldn't have helped anything
17:13:36 <King_InuYasha> IMO, the only reason to document such a behavior is to tacitly permit to violate the canonicity of the spec files in src.fedoraproject.org
17:13:50 <tibbs> Yes, -1 from me.  The arguments for this seem to grow increasingly tenuous.
17:13:53 <geppetto> I don't mind the idea of a std. format for specifying something … even if that something is meh … but not as a provide
17:13:54 <King_InuYasha> since that is explicitly not a thing we want to do, I'd say I don't want to endorse a practice
17:14:13 <carlwgeorge> -1 from me as well
17:14:28 <decathorpe> yup, -1 from me as well
17:14:47 <King_InuYasha> -1 from me for the proposal
17:15:01 <geppetto> Is anyone not -1?
17:15:22 * King_InuYasha still has nightmares trying to figure out sources for debian where this rule _doesn't_ exist
17:16:04 <mhroncok> geppetto: apparently not
17:16:10 <tibbs> I can't remember if we already have some general rule for _how_ you specify that you are deviating from the guidelines.
17:16:12 <geppetto> Again, if the upstream wants to keep the fedora spec in their upstream git … that's fine by me.
17:16:27 <geppetto> If someone wants to specify a std. way to get that info. … I'm fine with that too
17:16:46 <geppetto> Just don't clutter prco info.
17:17:13 <tibbs> Currently we just say that you must document deviations in the specfile.
17:17:46 * geppetto nods
17:18:02 <tibbs> If people are somehow doing that in a less useful way, we could be more explicit and request comments either above the place where the deviation occurs or at the top of the specfile.  But.... really?
17:18:33 * geppetto shrugs
17:18:47 <geppetto> Anyway … anything else?
17:18:55 <decathorpe> nope
17:19:13 <geppetto> Ok, I'll close in a min. and let you all get lunch.
17:19:31 <defolos> just a quick question
17:19:44 * mhroncok is more like: get some sleep
17:19:48 <defolos> anyone remembers igor's proposal for populating the buildroot with the package list?
17:19:48 <mhroncok> defolos: sure
17:20:31 <defolos> or is that thing obsolete anyway?
17:20:43 <defolos> afaik panu said at some point that calling rpm inside mock would be ok
17:21:13 <decathorpe> once bootstrap chroot is enabled in koji and COPR it's fine
17:21:33 <decathorpe> and since the BDB -> SQLite switch that needs to happen anyway
17:22:13 <defolos> ack
17:22:14 <King_InuYasha> copr already does it by default for new projects
17:22:25 <King_InuYasha> koji will do it in the next month or so
17:22:28 <defolos> thanks folks 👌
17:22:50 <King_InuYasha> and of course, mock already does this by default
17:25:07 <geppetto> #endmeeting