17:00:03 <geppetto> #startmeeting fpc
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17:00:03 <geppetto> #meetingname fpc
17:00:04 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
17:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fpc'
17:00:19 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard
17:00:20 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
17:00:23 <tibbs> Howdy
17:00:25 <geppetto> #chair mhroncok
17:00:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mhroncok
17:00:39 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
17:00:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mhroncok tibbs
17:00:49 * GwynCieslasheher here
17:07:30 <tibbs> Hmm....
17:09:47 <geppetto> #chair GwynCieslasheher
17:09:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: GwynCieslasheher geppetto mhroncok tibbs
17:10:06 <geppetto> one off error
17:10:16 <mhroncok> indeed
17:12:10 <tibbs> Well, I guess we can gather opinions and such.
17:12:24 <tibbs> I merged a couple of minor things yesterday just to keep the PR count down a bit.
17:12:59 <decathorpe> Hi! Sorry, I lost track of time, but I'm here now.
17:13:15 <geppetto> #chair decathorpe
17:13:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: GwynCieslasheher decathorpe geppetto mhroncok tibbs
17:13:33 <mhroncok> tibbs: thanks
17:13:51 <geppetto> #topic Schedule
17:13:54 <geppetto> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/YLMMQ2WCJDPT7PXN5T77ECASRNE2AX6K/
17:14:31 <geppetto> Ok, we have 5 … but al the things in meeting haven't changed in a month
17:14:48 <geppetto> So … anyone have anything that we should look at?
17:14:59 * geppetto nudges tibbs
17:15:19 <tibbs> I think the primary thing is the license discussion.
17:16:07 * mhroncok tries to follow that, but it's hard
17:16:08 <tibbs> My opinion has been is that the less the guidelines can say, the better.  We already just point to the list that the legal folks prepare, and we should just continue to do that.
17:16:12 <geppetto> Yeh, I've followed along but I feel like I don't really have an opinion … certainly not one that would be different from what Richard/Matt are saying
17:16:38 * geppetto nods
17:16:45 <tibbs> Maybe a note that legal changed all of the identifiers.  Richard has pointed out some places where we say too much, and I think those have been addressed.
17:19:25 <geppetto> Sure, where should we note that?:)
17:24:20 <geppetto> On a different note then. This hasn't moved for a while now:
17:24:39 <geppetto> .fpc 1139
17:24:40 <zodbot> geppetto: Issue #1139: How to replace a symlink with a directory - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1139
17:24:47 <geppetto> #link https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1139
17:25:02 <geppetto> #topic #1139: How to replace a symlink with a directory
17:25:52 <geppetto> And I feel like we close it?
17:26:28 <decathorpe> well ... is there a solution?
17:26:30 <geppetto> It doesn't look like anyone is proposing anything change … just that dnf not using rpm broke stuff and nobody has fixed it
17:26:55 <mhroncok> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-notebook/c/89be135877952b931c3cb6d736a55eb69f6038d9?branch=rawhide
17:27:12 <mhroncok> this is what I used 2 years ago
17:27:27 <geppetto> There doesn't appear to be a solution … I guess we could put a note in the docs saying "This doesn't appear to work anymore, see BZ 1835424"
17:27:34 <mhroncok> and it did not work until the package that was retied was obsoleted
17:28:38 <mhroncok> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/YWJWLXKLF6DGT7LITBC766QW7RY7OOPM/
17:30:08 <mhroncok> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1787079#c8
17:30:15 <mhroncok> this was the thing that did the trick
17:30:28 <mhroncok> the target of that symbolic link must be removed in the same transaction
17:31:01 <geppetto> mhroncok: Do you feel confident enough to comment/close the 1139 issue?
17:31:16 <mhroncok> I'll summarize this there
17:31:21 <mhroncok> sorry for not doing it sooner
17:31:25 <geppetto> Cool, thanks.
17:31:57 <geppetto> No problem … the last month should have been slow for everyone, and expected
17:32:40 <geppetto> #action mhroncok Will summarize workarounds and close issue.
17:32:57 <geppetto> #topic #1150 request for clarification wrt. base version / compat package naming
17:33:09 <geppetto> This one is really new
17:33:20 <geppetto> decathorpe: Opened by you :)
17:33:47 <mhroncok> "At this point, I'm not sure whether it's an actual rule at all, or just "common sense" that is not written down anywhere."
17:33:55 <mhroncok> just "common sense" that is not written down anywhere
17:34:01 <geppetto> I'm not 100% what you want to know, but I think the answer is "it's just common sense"
17:34:20 <mhroncok> before we renamed the python3 component to python3.X, we actually added "compat" packages with new unstable python versions
17:34:42 <mhroncok> we still do, but now all pythons contain the version in name
17:35:15 <mhroncok> but consider we have python3 (3.10ú in rawhide and we want to introduce python3.11 alpha -- I would not go and rename that to python3
17:35:28 <mhroncok> s/ú//
17:41:43 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
17:42:57 <geppetto> Anything before I close? If noone speaks up I'll give you 15 minutes back.
17:43:21 <tibbs> Nothing from me.
17:43:29 * geppetto nods
17:44:21 <mhroncok> geppetto++
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17:44:44 <GwynCieslasheher> Nda
17:44:47 <GwynCieslasheher> * Nada
17:45:04 <geppetto> #endmeeting