16:00:22 <geppetto> #startmeeting fpc
16:00:22 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr  7 16:00:22 2022 UTC.
16:00:22 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location.
16:00:22 <zodbot> The chair is geppetto. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions.
16:00:22 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
16:00:22 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fpc'
16:00:22 <geppetto> #meetingname fpc
16:00:22 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
16:00:22 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fpc'
16:00:50 * GwynCieslasheher here
16:00:59 <geppetto> #chair GwynCieslasheher
16:00:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: GwynCieslasheher geppetto
16:03:43 <tibbs> Hey.
16:03:49 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
16:03:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: GwynCieslasheher geppetto tibbs
16:03:54 <geppetto> Hey third person :)
16:03:57 <tibbs> Just got back from the dentist.  Emergency tooth extraction.
16:04:02 <geppetto> eeek
16:04:11 <GwynCieslasheher> Good times!
16:04:37 <tibbs> Yeah, I managed to crack #31 (one of the back teeth) clean in half.
16:06:34 <GwynCieslasheher> Oh damn. I had an incisor split during an extraction as a child (dentist turned approximately #6aa430), but this sounds even less delightful.
16:06:54 <geppetto> This is not the usual horror I come here :-o
16:07:06 <tibbs> I do have pictures....
16:07:13 * geppetto closes eyes
16:07:14 <GwynCieslasheher> We offer many kinds of horrors...
16:07:28 * GwynCieslasheher opens gnome-screenshot
16:09:29 <GwynCieslasheher> I hope you don't get dry sockets.
16:10:28 <tibbs> They did a bone graft and covered with whatever that artificial skin is.  In a couple of months I'll go back and have the socket inserted for an implant.
16:11:39 <GwynCieslasheher> Praise $_DEITY for anesthetics.
16:12:01 <geppetto> indeed, I'm still mentally screaming
16:12:13 <tibbs> Yeah, they haven't worn off yet.  And these days they only give you ibuprofen.
16:12:29 <geppetto> having that much fun without pain meds would be … wow.
16:12:34 <GwynCieslasheher> That's suboptimal.
16:12:38 <geppetto> No local injection?
16:12:54 <GwynCieslasheher> At the time of incision I'm sure.
16:13:00 <tibbs> Yeah, there's a local but they don't send you home with the good stuff these days.
16:13:04 <geppetto> ahh
16:13:23 <geppetto> yeh, I don't think I've ever got good pain meds from a dentist
16:13:46 <GwynCieslasheher> And when I had dry sockets after my wisdom teeth, I went back and all they would do is swag with the most heavy duty topical they had. Did NOTHING.
16:13:49 <geppetto> had a few operations where I couldn't eat properly for like a week
16:13:55 <tibbs> I remember they used to send me home with a bottle of narcotics (not even a prescription, they would just hand them out) but in the last decade it's just "take OTC stuff".
16:14:10 <geppetto> wow
16:14:15 <decathorpe> whoops, sorry, I'm late :)
16:14:21 <geppetto> #chair decathorpe
16:14:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: GwynCieslasheher decathorpe geppetto tibbs
16:14:44 <decathorpe> (got distracted by my parents)
16:15:18 <geppetto> decathorpe: No problem … you are only 4
16:15:36 <geppetto> …anything we need to talk about?
16:15:41 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
16:15:47 <decathorpe> you mean to say ... I contain multitudes?
16:15:47 <GwynCieslasheher> I'd have guessed at least mid 20s
16:15:56 <geppetto> .fpc 1159
16:15:56 <GwynCieslasheher> His name is Legion
16:15:58 <zodbot> geppetto: Issue #1159: Ban use of %configure in %prep - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1159
16:16:16 <geppetto> that's a weird comic
16:16:28 <GwynCieslasheher> What is?
16:16:28 <tibbs> One of many things I need to put time into.
16:16:35 <geppetto> GwynCieslasheher: legion
16:16:43 <GwynCieslasheher> OIC
16:17:05 <decathorpe> regarding #1159 - has somebody written up a PR?
16:17:30 <geppetto> to be fair I don't think I've read any of the comics … tried the TV show and the story by Sanderson
16:17:57 <geppetto> I don't think so … was more confused by Panu's recent comic
16:18:35 <geppetto> Also wondered if we could just put a small note somewhere saying "don't do anything that runs a compiler, like ./confgiure" and close/leave it at that.
16:18:44 <tibbs> decathorpe: I was trying, but hadn't finished.
16:19:04 <GwynCieslasheher> It feels a little like banning the use of hair dryers in the shower. Shouldn't need saying but I guess we need to.
16:19:11 <tibbs> It sort of turned into "autotools should have a separate page like cmake or meson".
16:20:13 <decathorpe> maybe we can just say "do not run upstream code in %prep"
16:20:17 <GwynCieslasheher> Not wrong.
16:20:44 <geppetto> decathorpe: Hmmm … maybe
16:20:53 <geppetto> I can't think of a counter example
16:21:34 <tibbs> I think that may actually be a reasonable way to articulate it.  I've been struggling with how to say exactly that.
16:22:11 <decathorpe> I guess that
16:22:47 <decathorpe> it certainly makes for a short and concise rule
16:22:56 <decathorpe> and I can't think of a counterexample either
16:23:26 <GwynCieslasheher> Or also tools that process upstream code, to cover those saying "I'm not running upstream code, just make"
16:24:28 <decathorpe> isn't make just an interpreter for the turing-complete "Makefile" language? ;)
16:25:04 * decathorpe is not actually sure if Makefiles are turing-complete
16:25:15 <GwynCieslasheher> I don't think to the extent scons is with the Python SConstruct file and I see what you did there.
16:25:21 <geppetto> gnu make probably is
16:25:31 <GwynCieslasheher> Just rewrite the kernel in m4 and be done with it.
16:26:11 * GwynCieslasheher goes to her room
16:26:23 <tibbs> I'm sitting at home for the next few days so maybe I can finish off what I'd been working on.
16:26:41 <tibbs> Does anyone have any opinion about https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1166 ?
16:27:15 <decathorpe> LGTM
16:27:23 <tibbs> I almost merged it but then...
16:27:45 <GwynCieslasheher> Yeah, merge it.
16:27:53 <geppetto> sure, merge it
16:27:57 <decathorpe> 🚢
16:28:05 <geppetto> if it needs fixing we'll just blame carl ;)
16:28:32 <GwynCieslasheher> obvs
16:29:14 <geppetto> Ok, on that note we've officially done something useful so I'll let you all go for another week.
16:29:56 <decathorpe> maybe come next Thursday I'll be 5
16:30:12 <geppetto> 👍
16:30:38 <geppetto> #endmeeting