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16:00:03 <geppetto> #meetingname fpc
16:00:03 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
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16:00:20 <mhroncok> hey
16:00:25 <geppetto> #chair mhroncok
16:00:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mhroncok
16:00:26 <geppetto> hey
16:00:30 <mhroncok> I am here, but only half way
16:01:14 <geppetto> That's probably fine :)
16:02:19 <decathorpe> I'm here too
16:02:25 <geppetto> #chair decathorpe
16:02:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto mhroncok
16:02:38 <GwynCieslasheher> .hello2
16:02:39 <zodbot> GwynCieslasheher: Sorry, but user 'GwynCieslasheher' does not exist
16:02:41 <tibbs> Hello.
16:02:44 <geppetto> #chair GwynCieslasheher
16:02:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: GwynCieslasheher decathorpe geppetto mhroncok
16:02:48 <GwynCieslasheher> That's startling.
16:02:53 <GwynCieslasheher> All this time....
16:03:03 <GwynCieslasheher> Maybe that's why I failed that turing test.
16:03:42 <decathorpe> 🤖
16:04:52 <geppetto> 😼
16:06:03 <decathorpe> #chair tibbs
16:06:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: GwynCieslasheher decathorpe geppetto mhroncok tibbs
16:06:18 <geppetto> Argh, missed tibbs saying hello
16:06:28 <decathorpe> just to make sure nobody falls through the cracks :)
16:06:49 <geppetto> decathorpe++
16:06:49 <zodbot> geppetto: Karma for decathorpe changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:10:55 <geppetto> #topic Schedule
16:11:07 <geppetto> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/SYMIAF64FAOMRVR3Z7HZSNTZVS334CGS/
16:11:14 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
16:11:24 <geppetto> So … again, nothing has changed in the last week or so.
16:11:34 <geppetto> Anyone have anything to talk about?
16:11:50 <decathorpe> I think I promised to write a PR for the Java ExclusiveArch stuff? ... sorry, I've been really busy and health problems drained my energy :(
16:12:18 <geppetto> no problem … on the upside that can probably all happen outside of the weekly meetings, right?
16:12:30 <decathorpe> yeah
16:12:34 <geppetto> Cool
16:14:11 <geppetto> On that note, I won't be here on the 16th, 30th of June and very unlikely on the 9th June or 7th of July.
16:14:57 <decathorpe> I don't think FPC is that busy these days? so that should be fine ...
16:17:36 * geppetto nods … if anyone else wants to run the meeting the instructions should be easy enough, but yeh we can probably just skip those days.
16:18:09 <carlwgeorge> .hi
16:18:10 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: carlwgeorge 'Carl George' <carl@redhat.com>
16:18:31 <tibbs> I will be traveling a bit as well but I need to check the dates to see how things overlap.
16:18:32 <carlwgeorge> I backported java_arches to epel9
16:18:57 <geppetto> #chair carlwgeorge
16:18:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: GwynCieslasheher carlwgeorge decathorpe geppetto mhroncok tibbs
16:19:04 <tibbs> I saw the java_arches commit went in.
16:19:12 <geppetto> carlwgeorge: nice
16:19:58 <carlwgeorge> I think it's probably fine to skip it for epel7/8 and just have it for 9 going forward
16:20:13 <tibbs> If someone asks, it is at least trivial to add.
16:20:29 <carlwgeorge> yup
16:24:44 <tibbs> Did anyone have anything to add to https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1179 ?
16:25:03 <decathorpe> I think your comment summed it up nicely
16:25:06 <GwynCieslasheher> #whattibbssaid
16:25:27 <tibbs> The overlap between the guidelines and legal stuff has always kind of been weird.
16:25:45 <GwynCieslasheher> Which was why having spot here was nice back in the before times.
16:25:56 <tibbs> Indeed.
16:26:35 <tibbs> Though the fact that he was in both groups is kind of the reason why there is some overlap.
16:26:47 <GwynCieslasheher> Fair.
16:27:32 <tibbs> Without that, the overlap can get slightly problematic though if the legal folks wanted us to change or remove something I'm sure we would just do it, no questions asked.
16:28:05 <geppetto> My guess would be that if the metainfo file is provided by the packager it's fine, but if it's provided by upstream then you'd want to include it … but I don't even pretend to be spot, nevermind a lawyer
16:28:44 <geppetto> And I felt so confident about my guess that I didn't respond :)
16:29:14 <decathorpe> Knowing that some of my packages would be affected by this, it would be super awkward to handle this just because one metadata file has a different license than the project itself ...
16:29:17 <geppetto> On that note, I'll close in a minute unless anyone wants to talk about anything
16:29:22 <tibbs> Yeah, it seems dumb to list a license for a single file that doesn't come from upstream, but... it's legal stuff.  So I don't know.
16:29:53 <GwynCieslasheher> I feel like there should be a legal principle that info about a license should be as or more permissive than the license itself.
16:29:57 <geppetto> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:29:57 <decathorpe> no, those are from upstream. but AppStream metadata have a default license ... and most projects copy-paste those lines.
16:29:59 <GwynCieslasheher> but IANAL
16:30:46 <tibbs> There is plenty of legal-related activity going on right now with the wholesale change to SPDX so it wouldn't be a bad idea to ask but I have no stake in this so I wouldn't be the best person.
16:31:45 * decathorpe thinks about having had a review request blocked on FE-Legal for months without anything happening
16:32:10 <tibbs> Yeah, I don't think anyone actually checks that.
16:32:26 <decathorpe> mattdm claimed that it's still the correct thing to do
16:32:29 <decathorpe> so ...
16:32:35 <geppetto> Yeh, I wouldn't block anything important for it
16:32:43 <geppetto> But opening a ticket can't be a bad idea
16:33:14 <decathorpe> :( yeah
16:35:41 <geppetto> #endmeeting