16:01:27 <geppetto> #startmeeting fpc
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16:01:27 <geppetto> #meetingname fpc
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16:01:27 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
16:01:36 <tibbs> Hey folks.
16:01:52 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
16:01:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto tibbs
16:02:16 <geppetto> I'm here and running this … but I'm super tired, just came back from Spain and was traveling for 42ish hours.
16:02:44 <carlwgeorge> .hi
16:02:45 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: carlwgeorge 'Carl George' <carl@redhat.com>
16:03:33 <tibbs> Hopefully Spain was nice.
16:03:43 <decathorpe> .hi
16:03:43 <zodbot> decathorpe: decathorpe 'Fabio Valentini' <decathorpe@gmail.com>
16:04:24 <geppetto> tibbs: it was, just wish could teleport there/back :)
16:04:29 <geppetto> #chair carlwgeorge
16:04:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge geppetto tibbs
16:04:32 <geppetto> #chair decathorpe
16:04:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge decathorpe geppetto tibbs
16:05:40 <carlwgeorge> yeah the travel there and back sucked, but it was a fun trip
16:08:50 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
16:09:34 <geppetto> Ok, only the four of us … no schedule, but looking at the PRs/issues it seems nothing new made it to be tagged as meeting. So anyone have anything they want to talk about?
16:10:00 <decathorpe> quick RFC
16:10:18 <decathorpe> what would you think about marking the "forge" macros as deprecated?
16:10:28 <carlwgeorge> +1
16:10:44 <decathorpe> they've essentially been unmaintained for years, and everything you can do with them you can also do without them
16:12:01 <tibbs> Honestly I like the idea of automation but the way it turned out just wasn't so great.
16:12:11 <tibbs> They either need to be properly maintained or removed.
16:12:27 <decathorpe> "giant pile of unmaintained lua not great" yeah
16:12:40 <decathorpe> I'll open a ticket for that
16:13:02 <tibbs> the thing is, I'm capable of working on it but there are two major issues.
16:13:37 <tibbs> One is time, the other is that modern RPM features make things easier but would make it very difficult to support some EPEL releases.
16:14:07 <geppetto> Do we know how many packages use those macros?
16:14:53 <tibbs> Not off the top of my head, but it is a useful metric.  If they have been adopted then obviously there is value there.
16:15:00 <decathorpe> all Go and Font packages use them under the hood AFAIK, but that's a different problem
16:15:40 <decathorpe> I'm more worried about packages switching to the forge macros or new packages using them. which is why I'd just mark them as "deprecated" for now
16:15:43 <carlwgeorge> i just counted 278 packages that use %forgemeta directly
16:16:09 <carlwgeorge> (based on https://src.fedoraproject.org/lookaside/rpm-specs-latest.tar.xz)
16:17:12 <decathorpe> could be worse
16:18:27 * geppetto nods
16:18:39 <geppetto> I'm fine with it … how bad could it be ;)
16:22:40 <decathorpe> ok, no more questions from me
16:27:15 <geppetto> Ok, going to close at half past the hour unless anyone has anything else?
16:28:35 <tibbs> Nothing from me.
16:31:28 <geppetto> #endmeeting