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16:00:26 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
16:02:22 <carlwgeorge> .hi
16:02:22 <geppetto> Hey
16:02:22 <tibbs> I'm mostly here for now.
16:02:22 <geppetto> #chair carlwgeorge
16:02:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge geppetto
16:02:22 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
16:02:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge geppetto tibbs
16:02:22 <tibbs> I did take care of redirecting all of the old guideline pages from the wiki into the new stuff.  If anyone sees anything that I missed, please let me know.
16:02:28 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: carlwgeorge 'Carl George' <carl@redhat.com>
16:08:21 <tibbs> I did notice a recent big burst of activity; did everyone get together last week and decide to try and clear out old tickets?
16:09:04 <carlwgeorge> i believe i missed the memo on that, but always good to see old tickets get cleared out
16:09:41 <geppetto> Mostly just me, so no memo needed.
16:10:50 <geppetto> Mostly just closing out really old things, and only did 10%ish … so needs to happen a few more times.
16:13:13 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
16:13:40 <geppetto> So … only 3 of us, but I was hoping we could look at: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1235
16:14:54 <geppetto> I know decathorpe looked at it a bit last week … and didn't have anything to say that would stop the merge, so if we could look at it today and then give some needed changes or just let it merge that'd be cool.
16:16:24 <carlwgeorge> on the point of epel specific guidelines being maintained separately, i should probably have a strong opinion on it but i'm not sure
16:16:33 <carlwgeorge> i could argue it either way tbh
16:31:36 <tibbs> Sadly I just haven't had a chance to look at it.
16:33:11 <tibbs> I guess it would be good to have the comments that were raised addressed and then I can try to take a close look.
16:33:59 <tibbs> About the EPEL thing, if it substantially lengthens the document then yeah, it should probably be separate.  And EPEL7 support is getting kind of questionable at this point.
16:35:47 <tibbs> The thing about the "EPEL is separate" bit is that we should probably be consistent about it so people know where to look for EPEL-specific things
16:36:14 <tibbs> If it's sometimes "the guidelines will tell you" and other times "look at this separate set of documentation" then that doesn't really serve anyone well.
16:40:58 <tibbs> Dang it, I just noticed my fix of  https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1236 was somehow incorrect.  And I swear I previewed it before I sent the PR.
16:41:09 <geppetto> I don't think we want it separate and not linked … just do we always want it in the same docs, or a link somewhere saying "If EPEL, then look here"
16:46:06 <tibbs> It's the old problem where EPEL can be simply ancient and the guidelines could be so full of EPEL specific caveats.
16:46:14 <carlwgeorge> i agree about making it consistent, the either way thing was about either having it all in the package guidelines or having all epel bits in the separate doc, not a mix
16:47:50 <carlwgeorge> for now at least i'm fine with pushing to have this pr drop the epel part and push for a separate pr to the epel guidelines
16:48:09 <tibbs> I haven't looked; is the EPEL difference here significant?
16:49:40 <carlwgeorge> just a few extra lines, but they do make more sense to go with the rest of the epel caveats
16:54:33 <tibbs> Hmm, I just noticed that building the guidelines repo results in a number of warnings.  At one point I had those all cleaned up.
16:55:16 <tibbs> I kind of wish we could get some kind of CI for PRs.  Wouldn't it be super neat if you could just browse the result of merging a PR?  I'm sure it's possible somehow.
16:56:27 <carlwgeorge> that would be really nice
16:59:05 <tibbs> I wonder what I did wrong.  Accoding to the asciidoctor reference, you just use asterisks at the beginning of a line to denote an unordered list.
16:59:11 <tibbs> But https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/#_scripting_inside_of_specfiles is mangled.
16:59:36 <tibbs> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/blob/master/f/guidelines/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc#_2129
17:00:27 <tibbs> I don't think I've gone insane but I don't see what I've done wrong.
17:00:32 <geppetto> I thought it was " * List item"
17:01:01 <tibbs> WIth a leading space?  The reference doesn't show that; just that you need an empty line before and after the list.
17:01:29 <geppetto> Yeh, with a leading space … pretty sure that's what is needed other places
17:01:39 <tibbs> A leading space just formats it as a literal.
17:01:45 <geppetto> huh
17:02:14 <tibbs> Which sort of almost works but it just shows a preformatted monospace block with literal asterisks.
17:03:20 <decathorpe> hey o/ sorry for not being here for the meeting. it's unbearably hot at my desk today :(
17:06:43 <geppetto> #chair decathorpe
17:06:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge decathorpe geppetto tibbs
17:06:53 <geppetto> No problem … the meeting has run over anyway.
17:07:32 <geppetto> Need to end it soon … but hoping we can do something about:  https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1235 before we go.
17:07:50 <tibbs> Wow, If I try to make a random unordered list in the previous section, it renders just fine.  So there must be something else going on.
17:13:13 <tibbs> So the problem with the list was that the "space" after the asterisks on each line weren't ASCII spaces.  I have no idea what they were.
17:18:37 <decathorpe> about 1235, I added a few comments, mostly about invalid ASCIIDOC
17:19:10 <decathorpe> the AsciiDoctor firefox plugin is really nice for previewing
17:39:20 <geppetto> Anyway … almost 40 minutes over now, so I'm going to pull the plug.
17:43:01 <geppetto> #endmeeting