2025-02-06 17:00:08 <@james:fedora.im> !startmeeting fpc

2025-02-06 17:00:09 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-02-06 17:00:08 UTC
2025-02-06 17:00:10 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fpc'
2025-02-06 17:00:12 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-02-06 17:00:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-02-06 17:00:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-02-06 17:00:56 <@james:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-06 17:00:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> James Antill (james)
2025-02-06 17:01:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-06 17:01:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
2025-02-06 17:01:24 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> me too
2025-02-06 17:01:26 <@james:fedora.im> Hey, zombi Conan Kudo 
2025-02-06 17:01:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-06 17:01:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-02-06 17:01:53 <@james:fedora.im> Oh, oh ... gonna need Bruce Campbell's help
2025-02-06 17:02:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm a couple steps removed from actually being sick, but my sleep schedule is out of whack
2025-02-06 17:02:12 <@salimma:fedora.im> I wouldn't mind seeing the Andy Warhol version on my wall
2025-02-06 17:02:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh yes, and soup would be nice
2025-02-06 17:02:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I got home to being snowed in again too :(
2025-02-06 17:03:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> literally the day after, now being snowed in again
2025-02-06 17:03:09 <@james:fedora.im> Snow and freezing rain outside my house ... so soup sounds good
2025-02-06 17:03:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'm quadruple booked this hour, thanks to work throwing in a last minute meeting, so glad this one is in text mode
2025-02-06 17:03:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I just got out of a double booking the previous hour
2025-02-06 17:03:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> my second booking canceled at the last minute
2025-02-06 17:04:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> oof. we have a light dusting of snow outside but apart from that I'm just adjusting to my house being more drafty than the hotels in Brussels (FOSDEM venue was of course really stuffy indoors) and the temp being a few degrees lower. glad it's not negative F territory anymore
2025-02-06 17:04:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> since they were both video calls, that would have been hard
2025-02-06 17:04:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> interviewer right?
2025-02-06 17:04:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's tough
2025-02-06 17:07:17 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-06 17:07:18 <@tibbs:fedora.im> Hey.
2025-02-06 17:07:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2025-02-06 17:08:44 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah. not going to say too much in recorded meeting :)
2025-02-06 17:08:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no worries
2025-02-06 17:09:18 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-02-06 17:10:03 <@james:fedora.im> Well ... we have quorum, so if anyone has anything to discuss etc. ... this is a great time. Saying that, I don't have any new tickets or activity on old tickets.
2025-02-06 17:12:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> I have not had time to start on a draft to document how to use different autosetup flags
2025-02-06 17:12:13 <@tibbs:fedora.im> Yeah, nothing from me.  Need to do another pass over the existing tickets but it's tough to find the time.
2025-02-06 17:12:18 <@salimma:fedora.im> if anyone want to start, don't be blocked on me
2025-02-06 17:13:47 <@james:fedora.im> It's probably worth a quick look at: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1437
2025-02-06 17:14:11 <@james:fedora.im> I don't think anyone will have a problem, but now's the time to speak up if you do
2025-02-06 17:14:44 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> sounds like an easy yes
2025-02-06 17:20:33 <@james:fedora.im> Okay, it's done.
2025-02-06 17:20:34 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yeah, I already left a +1 in the ticket 
2025-02-06 17:20:50 <@james:fedora.im> I think we can probably also merge this one: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1436
2025-02-06 17:21:40 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> it's a rather big change, and also backwards incompatible (but doesn't keep the stuff that you need to do on Fedora <42)
2025-02-06 17:22:05 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> this still seems to be a bit in flux
2025-02-06 17:23:30 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, I wasn't sure if everyone was backported to F41 ... or if we'd have to keep old things around for a bit. Also el10.
2025-02-06 17:23:40 <@james:fedora.im> s/everyone/everything/
2025-02-06 17:24:36 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> especially the "create sysusers.d snippet in-line in the spec file" is only supported with latest RPM
2025-02-06 17:24:52 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> previous versions of the macro required the sysusers conf file to be a separate SOURCE
2025-02-06 17:25:15 <@james:fedora.im> ahh
2025-02-06 17:26:42 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I mean, removing that restriction is nice, but that should be explicit that this is only supported on Fedora 42+ (I think?)
2025-02-06 17:30:20 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i have a faint recollection of things like this waiting to become the standard until the necessary feature is available in all current fedora releases
2025-02-06 17:30:45 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> writing up exceptions based on lacking rpm features is generally an epel thing 😁
2025-02-06 17:30:58 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, that's what we've done in the past ... I just saw rpm-4.20 in F41 too
2025-02-06 17:31:09 <@james:fedora.im>   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPMSuportForSystemdSysusers
2025-02-06 17:31:09 <@james:fedora.im> - Enable rpm sysusers.d integration via native systemd-sysusers for
2025-02-06 17:31:09 <@james:fedora.im> * Wed Jan 22 2025 Panu Matilai <pmatilai@redhat.com> - 4.20.0-8
2025-02-06 17:31:09 <@james:fedora.im> But the real change was in ...
2025-02-06 17:31:09 <@tibbs:fedora.im> Well we certainly can't require this of all packages at least until it's supported in all Fedora releases.
2025-02-06 17:31:35 <@tibbs:fedora.im> But we can say that a feature is available in newer releases while still documenting how to do it in other releases.
2025-02-06 17:31:47 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> guidelines don't apply retroactively, but I don't think it's good to remove documentation for what should be done on Fedora <42 
2025-02-06 17:31:58 <@tibbs:fedora.im> And eventually those can move to an EPEL page if we want.
2025-02-06 17:32:17 <@tibbs:fedora.im> All this means is that there's no way we can merge that PR as is.
2025-02-06 17:33:02 <@james:fedora.im> This one might be easier, but I don't know much about fonts ... https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1428
2025-02-06 17:33:05 <@tibbs:fedora.im> Still, it would be quite nice to document this new way.
2025-02-06 17:41:51 <@tibbs:fedora.im> This PR is interesting: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/redhat-rpm-config/pull-request/318
2025-02-06 17:43:02 <@tibbs:fedora.im> It automatically creates the macros for running brp-* scripts that it finds under /usr/lib/rpm/macros.d
2025-02-06 17:46:08 <@james:fedora.im> Not sure if that is genius or heinous 
2025-02-06 17:46:33 <@tibbs:fedora.im> Lets packages add new brp-* scripts without having to modify redhat-rpm-config.
2025-02-06 17:52:11 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, that bit is great ... it working via. a big pile of lua, I'm less sure about.
2025-02-06 17:53:59 <@james:fedora.im> Anyway ... if there's nothing else, I'll close a couple of minutes early
2025-02-06 17:57:09 <@james:fedora.im> !endmeeting