2025-02-20 17:00:07 <@james:fedora.im> !startmeeting fpc

2025-02-20 17:00:09 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-02-20 17:00:07 UTC
2025-02-20 17:00:09 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fpc'
2025-02-20 17:00:11 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-02-20 17:00:17 <@limb:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-20 17:00:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Gwyn Ciesla (limb) - she / her / hers
2025-02-20 17:00:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-02-20 17:00:47 <@james:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-20 17:00:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> James Antill (james)
2025-02-20 17:00:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-02-20 17:01:50 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-20 17:01:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-02-20 17:06:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm here, kind of :)
2025-02-20 17:10:11 <@james:fedora.im> !topic FPC#1442 Doc issue in file guidelines/modules/ROOT/pages/index
2025-02-20 17:10:15 <@james:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1442
2025-02-20 17:10:58 <@james:fedora.im> Seems like it could be a simple PR fix, but maybe 666 examples like this spread around the docs.
2025-02-20 17:13:33 <@salimma:fedora.im> might be worth fixing all of them in one PR
2025-02-20 17:13:51 <@salimma:fedora.im> or as few PRs as possible, and just hold off merging anything else until that's in
2025-02-20 17:16:27 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh
2025-02-20 17:19:06 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-02-20 17:19:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> I have a PR in progress for gnome-shell extension guidelines, but can't revise it yet until GNOME 48 beta lands
2025-02-20 17:20:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> since the change I made to expose `gnome-shell(api)` is stuck in side tags and looks like 48 beta either missed the cut for F42 beta or need FE
2025-02-20 17:21:34 <@james:fedora.im> Bummer
2025-02-20 17:22:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's probably going to be an FE
2025-02-20 17:22:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's annoying, but there you go
2025-02-20 17:22:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> with Kalev leaving Red Hat, there was probably some churn on who works on everything
2025-02-20 17:22:51 <@salimma:fedora.im> wait *what*
2025-02-20 17:23:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> and have they filed FE yet
2025-02-20 17:23:22 <@salimma:fedora.im> (before I left I noticed the builds are still incomplete and apparently unusable - GDM etc all need updating first)
2025-02-20 17:23:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Yup. In Tuesday's Workstation WG meeting, he announced he's leaving Red Hat, leaving the WG, and dropping all his GNOME packages
2025-02-20 17:25:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> so... we have yet another opening. and lots of packages to pick up :O
2025-02-20 17:25:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> this will make my RH Summit talk even spicier
2025-02-20 17:25:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> hehe
2025-02-20 17:25:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> he suggested David King or Nieves Montero join to replace him
2025-02-20 17:25:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we'll see what happens
2025-02-20 17:26:09 <@limb:fedora.im> Yowza
2025-02-20 17:26:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, amigadave probably has more experience
2025-02-20 17:26:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> he's also the OpenH264 maintainer, so we're going to need to figure _that_ out too
2025-02-20 17:26:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> are they both RHers? (I know Nieves is)
2025-02-20 17:26:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-02-20 17:26:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> oof
2025-02-20 17:27:29 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, that's probably the ticket I pinged him on recently
2025-02-20 17:32:33 <@james:fedora.im> Hmm, maybe it was something else ... but I can't find it now. So tht's going to be fun to find ;)
2025-02-20 17:32:42 <@james:fedora.im> Anyone have anything else?
2025-02-20 17:33:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I've added a comment to the alternatives ticket about the rpm way to do alternatives
2025-02-20 17:33:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I haven't had time to get alts to build on fedora to flesh out a comment about how that would work for us
2025-02-20 17:33:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the last week has been... not great
2025-02-20 17:34:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and it seems like we have more gcc15 bugs discovered
2025-02-20 17:34:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh no, what sort of bugs?
2025-02-20 17:34:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> something bizarre is going on with pcre2 in kde plasma where it takes down the desktop when you interact with the systray _only on real hardware_
2025-02-20 17:35:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and only sometimes but with some frightening regularity for some people
2025-02-20 17:35:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500443
2025-02-20 17:36:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it doesn't reproduce in a VM, so OpenQA isn't able to gate on it, since we don't have real hardware wired up to that
2025-02-20 17:37:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> /any/ real hardware, or just some particular drivers?
2025-02-20 17:37:18 <@salimma:fedora.im> also... in pcre, huh, bizarre
2025-02-20 17:38:24 <@james:fedora.im> You are sure it's pcre2? Shouldn't it be easy to work out what APIs are being called in that library, and create a simple test case?
2025-02-20 17:43:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not sure at all
2025-02-20 17:43:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this is just where we are at right now
2025-02-20 17:43:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> don't know, it might be particular drivers, we just found out this morning
2025-02-20 17:44:47 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, looking at the traceback it's pcre dying inside malloc() ... so I'd guess something else is corrupting malloc()'s data by double free, or using something after free()
2025-02-20 17:45:19 <@james:fedora.im> But having stayed away from C++ forever, I probably shouldn't try debugging this ;)
2025-02-20 17:45:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well once you're in malloc() it's C territory :P
2025-02-20 17:46:03 <@smooge:fedora.im> and inside of that machine code
2025-02-20 17:47:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2025-02-20 17:48:26 <@james:fedora.im> On that note ...
2025-02-20 17:48:28 <@james:fedora.im> !endmeeting