08:31:13 #startmeeting FUDCon Pune 2015: Travel Sponsorship requests 08:31:13 Meeting started Fri Mar 27 08:31:13 2015 UTC. The chair is siddhesh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:31:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 08:31:32 #topic Roll call 08:31:41 .hellomynameis siddhesh 08:31:43 siddhesh: siddhesh 'Siddhesh Poyarekar' 08:31:53 .hellomynameis huzaifas 08:31:55 huzaifas: huzaifas 'Huzaifa Sidhpurwala' 08:32:01 .hellomynameis pjp 08:32:02 pjp: pjp 'None' 08:32:10 pjp: you name is None? :) 08:32:31 huzaifas: yep, ;) 08:32:35 .hellomynameis pravins 08:32:36 pravins: pravins 'Pravin Satpute' 08:33:43 .hellomynameis kushal 08:33:44 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 08:34:29 amit: yoohoo, around? 08:34:29 .hellomynameis amsharma 08:34:30 amita: amsharma 'Amita Sharma' 08:34:41 huzaifas, pjp is just too secure :) 08:35:11 kushal: Heh..I've set my name, I wonder why zodbot don't see it, :) 08:35:30 pjp, because you kept that checkbox to keep the information private. 08:36:10 kushal: How does it see email then? 08:36:17 ok, looks like amit got stuck somewhere. lets proceed. 08:37:06 welcome all to the first meeting to decide on travel sponsorships 08:37:20 siddhesh, woohoo 08:38:08 we have about 9K budgeted for travel that we want to use to assist travel for as many contributors and speakers aspossible 08:38:37 9K usd, just to be clear :) 08:38:46 also, we don't want to finish all of the money right now :) 08:38:49 huzaifas: yes, USD 08:38:56 huzaifas, haha :) 08:39:31 in this meeting lets decide on tickets that we know for sure we don't want to sponsor and tickets that we know for sure that we do 08:40:03 for everything else, I propose we wait till the deadline to allow everyone to get their applications in 08:40:11 does that sound sane? 08:40:51 siddhesh, yupp 08:40:54 siddhesh, it will still be first come, first serve, correct? 08:41:17 kushal: that is fair 08:41:35 kushal: as much as possible, yes. but when we have set a deadline, we have to expect that there will be valid requests coming in near the end 08:41:46 huzaifas, I mean, we always did this first come first serve basis. 08:41:59 kushal: so we look at the tickets we have currently 08:42:08 siddhesh, yup. 08:42:10 and then set a later date, where we look at people who file their requests later on 08:42:14 we have to sponsor to some of our speakers as well and we don't have exact list yet. speakers first, right? 08:42:20 I propose FCFS in case of two applications where both are equally valid and neither can accommodate a partial sponsorship 08:42:20 assuming there is a deadline 08:42:43 pravins, we know from the names, if they have submitted a talk or not. 08:43:21 pravins: not really. in general speakers get a priority, but so do long time fedora contributors 08:43:37 and I don't really want to choose between them. 08:43:55 siddhesh: i guess we choose on case to case basis, rather then generalize 08:43:59 huzaifas: deadline to submit travel sponsorship requests is 30 April 08:44:03 huzaifas, yes. 08:44:05 huzaifas: yes 08:44:13 so lets begin with the first ticket? 08:44:21 yes 08:44:26 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/536 08:44:40 funding request for sahil sareen 08:44:56 is anyone going to discuss pros/cons or we just shoot at will? 08:45:28 huzaifas: we discuss pros and cons of course :) 08:45:29 Anyone knows Sahil ? 08:45:34 I don't 08:45:41 Or any connection to Fedora? 08:45:47 so not a contributor, no talk 08:45:52 he doesn't have any talk submissions 08:46:00 -1 from me :) 08:46:09 likewise. 08:46:31 As per ticket he contribute to gnome-game but no fedora contributor as such and no talk submission. 08:46:53 s/no/not a 08:46:56 the amount is pretty low ($60), but I'd rather reserve that for later 08:47:05 His first contribution to gnome games is on December 16, 2014 08:47:06 praveenkumar: i dont see too much contribution to gnome-chess as well 08:47:11 huzaifas, yup. 08:47:22 -1 from me. 08:47:38 -1 from me. 08:47:46 rather gnome chess 08:47:50 https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-chess/blob/master/NEWS 08:48:03 ok, anybody in favour? If not, I'll mark it as rejected 08:48:20 going once. 08:48:20 siddhesh: or deferred, 08:48:21 -1 08:48:38 pjp, ok. that is the safest route 08:48:46 deferring makes sense as amount is low 08:49:02 siddhesh: maybe ask him to help around ? :) 08:49:04 if we sponsor him 08:49:33 huzaifas: help around? 08:49:35 siddhesh, but that way many others can ask for low amount. 08:49:39 IMO we have better uses for $60. I don't see any value for the Fedora project or the event from this. 08:49:39 pjp: volunteer 08:49:43 siddhesh, should be rejected. 08:49:44 huzaifas: ah okay, 08:50:14 well defer for now, maybe rejected later, but lets get it our of our @actions queue 08:50:15 huzaifas, $60 is a lot of money for volunteering. 08:50:26 huzaifas: ok 08:50:45 kushal: ok with that? defer, but will most likely reject. 08:51:09 siddhesh, I would still suggest for reject now, but feel free. 08:51:48 .hellomynameis amitshah 08:51:49 amit: amitshah 'Amit Shah' 08:52:06 * amit returns from lunch 08:52:13 ok, next 08:53:07 #info Defer for now, but will most likely be rejected since applicant is neither a Fedora contributor nor a speaker 08:53:20 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/538 08:53:32 Funding request for Suchakra 08:53:49 +1 from me. 08:54:01 kushal: haha, let me at least put in the numbers :) 08:54:12 siddhesh, I already read that in the ticket :D 08:54:31 the bigest problem is see is around 08:54:41 suchakra has been a long time fedora contributor, fedora design team member and was also part of the arganizer team in FUDCon Pune 2011 08:54:43 even if he spends 300, we still need to shell out 900 08:54:56 remember, initial budget had no provision of getting anyone from US 08:54:56 s/arganizer/organizer/ 08:55:04 huzaifas: ack 08:55:33 suchakra also has 3 (IIRC) talk submissions and is hence a potential speaker as well 08:55:33 huzaifas, also he is still contributing to various parts of the project. 08:55:42 siddhesh, +1 08:55:59 additionally, he has been actively working with prima yogi on artwork for this fudcon 08:56:05 kushal: i agree with that, but we also have budget constraints 08:56:21 +1 from me 08:56:23 actually if we dip into our reserve pool, we may be able to afford him, but i am not sure at this point 08:56:33 considering budget requirement ($1.2K) , i will give -1. May be partially we can sponsor. 08:56:40 we have only 9K budget. 08:56:46 huzaifas: IIRC we had budgeted around 1k for european participants 08:56:56 pravins, as siddhesh wrote he wants $890 08:57:06 pravins, rest he will pay from his own pocket. 08:57:06 but I don't remember how many european participants we had accounted for 08:57:15 siddhesh, at least 2. 08:57:27 siddhesh: 2 08:57:33 US = 0 08:57:33 EU = 2 x 1000 08:57:33 Asia = 10 x 500 08:57:33 Rest of india = 15 x 100 08:57:34 yes, max 2. 08:57:35 was our intiial plan 08:57:49 I think let's defer for now, considering the budget constraints. 08:57:52 I'd say those were guidelines 08:57:58 amit, +1 08:58:02 pjp: deferring won't help; those are the expensive travels 08:58:03 amit: correct, but its too early to decide 08:58:15 i think the initial goal, was not to finish our budget in this meeting 08:58:15 pjp: let's decide either way today so he gets best rate if he is to go ahead 08:58:16 i think we need to see how many participants planning to join from Europe, then we can choose 2 out of that. 08:58:18 huzaifas, I think no, they took time to submit early. 08:58:19 wait till the deadline? 08:58:20 and deferring doesn't help 08:58:25 huzaifas: also, since his budget request fits in the EMEA cost I don't think budget is a constraint 08:58:33 I say let's get him; he's an asian contributor and has been helping us 08:58:39 amit: Let's go through all the tickets to see current budget needs 08:58:43 siddhesh, whose? 08:58:49 kushal: sure, but we did impose the deadline, we did not mention anywhere FCFS 08:59:05 siddhesh: imo too early to decide, till we look at all the requests 08:59:16 huzaifas, every event in Fedora land was always FCFS iirc. 08:59:18 huzaifas: we have a deadline, but FCFS is always the way this works 08:59:31 kushal: we dont have to follow every event :) 08:59:40 huzaifas, I think we should. 08:59:49 amit: correct, but if we exhaust our budget on the first 5 tickets, its silly 08:59:57 unfortunately we dont have the (speakers+fedora contributor) list yet. It can give us better picture. 09:00:14 pravins, +1 09:00:22 pravins, We already said he submitted 3 talks 09:00:35 kushal: but those are not shortlisted yet :) 09:00:39 but we dn't have full list 09:00:42 pravins, and have real potential to become a speaker. 09:01:03 "speakers" is fuzzy in the fudcon context; let's focus on contributors -- because barcamp is as valid as anything else 09:01:03 ok, since there clearly isn't full agrement on this ticket, let us leave it as undecided and move on to the next one 09:01:16 siddhesh: but we visit it today itself? 09:01:19 :( 09:01:25 amit, we should. 09:01:31 amit: I would love to, but clearly everyone does not agree with that 09:01:31 let's bring this up as the last item today, and decide either way 09:01:39 amit, yup. 09:01:50 I think suchakra will still get a good price by 30th April, so we can wait till then 09:02:22 lets move on to the next one for now 09:02:27 Let's go through all the tickets and list the required budget on a pad some place, 09:02:27 and he is strong candidate for sponsorship. 09:02:53 * pjp collating the budget requirements, 09:03:35 pjp: thanks, please share the etherpad/doc so that we can see it as well 09:03:40 next ticket 09:03:47 siddhesh: Yes, 09:03:50 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/539 09:03:59 Aditya Patawari 09:04:18 He has proposed talks and is an active Fedora contributor as well 09:04:25 contributor, speaker, needs only accomodation 09:04:26 +1 09:04:29 +1 09:04:29 but interestingly, I don't see the amount :/ 09:04:29 +1, he only need accommodation. 09:04:34 And he wants only accommodation 09:04:35 +1 09:04:44 oh, ok 09:04:51 +1 09:04:53 +1 09:04:59 Lets get our first approval :) 09:05:03 +1 09:05:13 Sadly no travel involved :p 09:05:22 to be clear, we're agreeing to arrange for his accommodation even if his talk is not selected 09:05:23 :) 09:05:28 siddhesh, yes. 09:05:39 siddhesh: agreed. 09:05:44 Accommodation in the hotel we decided, right? that is also on sharing basis 09:05:44 huzaifas: do you have a spreadsheet where you're tracking this? 09:05:46 he has purposed talk and a workshop too 09:06:09 amit: yeah, one sec 09:06:16 preparing onw 09:06:18 amita: but it is not unlikely that both get rejected :) 09:06:35 hmm point to be noted siddhesh :) 09:06:54 #agreed sponsor stay for aditya. No travel involved. 09:07:05 next ticket 09:07:23 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/540 09:07:31 Rizky Ariestiyansyah 09:07:41 huzaifas, you can use ethercalc 09:07:42 have we nominated someone who is updating tickets? 09:07:46 amit: https://ethercalc.org/94ee5f3lw3 09:07:59 amit: I nominate huzaifas :D 09:08:06 siddhesh: good idea 09:08:40 great, so anybody knows Rizky? 09:08:47 .fasinfo ariestiyansyah 09:08:50 kushal: User: ariestiyansyah, Name: Rizky Ariestiyansyah, email: ariestiyansyah.rizky@gmail.com, Creation: 2012-09-28, IRC Nick: ariestiyansyah, Timezone: Asia/Jakarta, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active 09:08:52 siddhesh: i can, after the meeting is done 09:08:53 kushal: Unapproved Groups: marketing openshift-origin 09:08:56 kushal: Approved Groups: cla_fpca cla_done 09:09:07 i am not much clear on funding we are going to provide for Accommodation. 09:09:14 siddhesh, seems like he just stated. 09:09:15 huzaifas: I added a couple of columns so it's easier 09:09:17 siddhesh: did we +1 for aditya? 09:09:21 huzaifas, yes. 09:09:31 pravins: it means we book a room for him on a twin sharing basis, like other speakers 09:09:40 huzaifas: yes 09:09:51 siddhesh: thank you :) 09:09:59 so back to rizky. he has submitted a talk 09:10:31 This is why the speakers should attend the meetings :( 09:10:43 Mobile and Desktop Development in Fedora with ionic framewok 09:11:04 USD 700 :0 09:11:34 and partial accepted is like 680? 09:11:42 i think if ariestiyansyah select flight to Mumbai it will be bit cheaper. Need to check though. 09:11:43 he is asking about $680 USD ( partial subsidy ) 09:12:04 pravins: yes, 09:12:05 * kushal goes to check his activity. 09:12:17 we have proviison of 500 usd x 10 09:12:52 I don't see a lot of fedora involvement, so I think we consider this if his talk gets selected 09:12:58 Can not find much activity 09:13:00 i.e. defer till next meeting 09:13:05 siddhesh, yup. 09:13:08 yes 09:13:37 praveenkumar: can you quickly check price for mumbai travel? 09:13:55 if it's a good price, we can use that 09:13:58 on it. 09:14:13 it will be around 400 I think 09:14:34 i see cost is quite less if tried from Jakarta to Mumbai roundtrip. 22,893 = $370 09:14:52 there you go 09:14:56 pravins, the flight timings has to be practical also. 09:15:02 s/has/have 09:15:18 so given this data, how do we feel about it? 09:15:22 pravins: right, it it 21190 INR 09:15:36 amit: same IMO. wait till we know if his talk is selected and then decide 09:15:46 as a fedora contributor I don't see much point in sponsoring 09:16:00 ok; defer then, but update ticket with this info. 09:16:08 +1 for defer. 09:16:11 huzaifas: you're in charge of updating all tickets, I see :) 09:16:13 kushal: yeah, still it should be around $400. 09:16:22 amit: we can wait till next week to update tickets for which we haven't made a decision. 09:16:33 * huzaifas runs 09:16:40 i.e. update only those tickets that we agree or disagree outright 09:16:53 yes, no response to deferred ones 09:16:56 lets defer ticket by asking him to update budget requirement from Mumbai airport. We are planning to provide CAB from Mumbai to Pune. 09:17:18 Please see -> http://piratepad.net/19PLK8zNff 09:17:29 #info defer till selected talk list is out 09:17:31 since we're quite close to the end of the meeting, I suggest we pick up tickets out of order, and get to the ones we know we will sponsor 09:17:45 pjp: no 09:17:48 use the spread sheet please 09:18:02 amit, we should go in order. 09:18:13 amit: that would be biased on my judgement of which ticket is more important :) 09:18:20 siddhesh, yup. 09:18:20 huzaifas: ? 09:18:30 siddhesh, go ahead to the next ticket. 09:18:32 pjp, https://ethercalc.org/94ee5f3lw3 09:18:32 hm ok 09:18:35 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/541 09:18:38 this is more clear pjp 09:18:45 pjp: use the spreadsheet i created earlier 09:18:46 Mosaab Alzoubi 09:18:59 two talk submissions and a helluva lot of badges :) 09:19:34 .fasinfo moceap 09:19:34 request is $900 but it is to Pune (via Goa no less!) 09:19:35 kushal: User: moceap, Name: Mosaab Alzoubi, email: moceap@hotmail.com, Creation: 2010-10-29, IRC Nick: moceap, Timezone: Asia/Aden, Locale: ar, GPG key ID: 1A57076E, Status: active 09:19:37 if he coming from yemen? 09:19:38 kushal: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_fpca cla_done fedorabugs packager 09:19:43 praveenkumar: can you check this flight from sanaa to mum? 09:19:47 i dont think airports are operational 09:20:11 amit: lets just ask mosaab to get that info and decide in the next meeting 09:20:11 badges should not be accounted for. 09:20:25 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packager/moceap/ is a good list. 09:20:29 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packager/moceap/ 09:20:33 kushal: sure, I just found that funny :) 09:20:40 siddhesh, yeah :) 09:20:55 siddhesh, wanted to mention so that no one gets confused. 09:20:58 so he is defer as well 09:21:11 so lets ust ask him to get updated price cost to mumbai and back 09:21:36 ok 09:21:46 why he wants to land in Goa? 09:21:49 siddhesh, next ticket. 09:21:51 #action huzaifa to ask mosaab to get updated flight cost to mumbai and back 09:21:55 amita, haha :D 09:22:08 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/542 09:22:16 Prima Yogi 09:22:20 +1 09:22:33 i think on all international travel related request we should ask to provide estimates from Mumbai (BOM) airport. 09:22:36 +1 09:22:39 =1, but he needs to give us an updated cost to Mumbai 09:22:41 huzaifas, please write in ticket that he should come directly to mumbai - for last ticket :) 09:22:43 +1 even 09:22:49 Prima Yogi +1 09:23:08 anybody -1 for prima yogi? 09:23:14 +1 09:23:17 should not be siddhesh 09:23:20 :) 09:24:21 KL<-> Mum is around $450, so we can just ask him to get that updated price and approve if it is under $500 09:24:22 +1 with with flight from his start point to Mumbai. 09:24:39 all agreed? 09:24:55 KL-Delhi-Pune ?? 09:24:59 siddhesh, +1 09:25:01 it will be cheaper for Mumbai 09:25:13 amita: ^^ we already discussed. 09:25:17 amita, yes, that is what I said 09:25:41 hmm praveenkumar siddhesh kushal I may be still thinking about last ticket -- why GOA 09:25:48 sorry :P 09:25:59 amita: don't think, it's already differ. 09:26:06 praveenkumar, +1 09:26:13 so quickly, anybody opposed to the plan for prima yogi? 09:26:15 not diiffer praveenkumar its deffer 09:26:33 siddhesh, no .. +1 from me too 09:26:38 siddhesh: I think everyone agreed 09:26:41 siddhesh: agreed on sponsoring, but let's wait till he comes up with numbers? 09:27:05 amit: we put a cap of $500 on it. the current tickets AFAICT are at $430 09:28:13 amit: does that sound ok or would you still like to defer till he comes up with the numbers? 09:28:17 siddhesh: depending on what time he lands, it might be alright to sponsor pune travel too? (ie if there's no one in mumbai around then) 09:28:25 siddhesh: as even pune is within budget 09:28:59 amit: that can be seen later. What we're looking for now is consensus on whether we approve this or not 09:29:42 amit: that way we move on and discuss one more ticket before we close this meeting 09:29:47 siddhesh, amit lets do it and move on? 09:29:49 siddhesh: I understood that we're approving, and will ask him to book tickets if they're < 500 09:30:05 siddhesh: that doesn't leave space for him to try pune 09:30:16 siddhesh: pune-mum cab will be $50, so we're not saving much really in this 09:30:18 agree with amit good to approve with updated quote, defer till that. 09:30:40 amit, yup. 09:31:02 current quote is $490 for pune travel 09:31:06 I'd say we just accept it 09:31:18 amit: that is one quote and that is under $500 09:31:26 amit: but we are planing to combine some travellers into single cab, right? 09:31:27 amit: the other quote is $650, which is $150 over 09:31:33 offcourse if possible :) 09:31:40 pravins: right - if they land at the same time. 09:31:57 amit: lets not think about cab coordination and all that now. 09:32:14 or we won't get to booking tickets for anyone till everyone has booked their tickets :/ 09:32:46 well only point here is since pune is within budget, we shouldn't think about mumbai at all -- more convenience for the traveler 09:33:00 amit, +1 09:33:16 amit: sure, and my point is that the pune budget is also within the $500 cap :) 09:33:20 huzaifas: I suggest you don't put numbers in the 'travel' column in the spreadsheet; we should use that column only for approved travel amount. 09:33:50 i.e. that spreadsheet should be a 'what we've agreed to' rather than mirror of the tickets 09:33:50 and if we set a $500 budget, we can obviously cater for a slight deviation of about $20-50 if that gives us an advantage 09:33:53 amit: huh? 09:33:55 i did not put them 09:33:57 pjp: ^ if you've done that 09:34:10 siddhesh, yup 09:34:39 I didn't get what siddhesh is saying, but let's just go one way or the other. 09:34:57 amit: Arre, I'm collating required ticket budget information in once place, decision could be a column in that 09:35:00 *sigh* :) 09:35:21 (i.e. ignore me :) 09:35:36 because I see kushal agreeing with both of us, and I'm confused 09:35:49 amit: lets ask him to check for prices to mumbai and if it is not significantly cheaper (i.e. > $50) then just book the pune ticket 09:35:57 siddhesh: right. 09:36:00 well only point here is since pune is within budget, we shouldn't think about mumbai at all -- more convenience for the traveler 09:36:00 amit, +1 09:36:13 kushal: +1 ;) 09:36:14 siddhesh: basically don't ask him to book right away, as was mentioned previously. 09:36:15 pune is better than any airport. 09:36:33 so we're decided then 09:36:41 amit: how about we get both the quotes and then decide later? 09:36:42 amit: no, not "book mumbai ticket". "check prices for mumbai and then decide" 09:36:56 huzaifas: you're going to do this, so I hope you're not confused about it :) 09:37:00 siddhesh: perfect. 09:37:21 siddhesh: i am, but i am also multi-tasking 09:37:30 huzaifas: agree. 09:37:33 siddhesh: amit anyways, you guys own those tickets, so if something happens, i can blame you 09:37:59 :) 09:38:05 pjp: the spreadsheet is now confused; create columns if you like but I think the data there isn't of much use right now 09:38:06 #agreed sponsor travel for prima yogi and check for most reasonable option 09:38:15 pjp: we just need the approved amount; not what's in the ticket 09:38:32 and that was the last ticket for the day 09:38:32 pjp: for budgeting, obviously... that data is not useful. 09:39:04 pjp: so I suggest you have a separate sheet if you want to track that 09:39:16 #info 6 tickets, 2 approved, 4 deferred 09:39:30 we'll start from the top next week 09:39:31 amit: Earlier in the meeting we were deferring tickets because the requested amount was close to $ 1k, we need to know total required budget amount as of now 09:40:22 huzaifas: and pjp can sort the sheet out :) 09:40:53 pjp, the mega sort algo. 09:41:20 ok, can I endmeeting now? we can continue discussion after that 09:41:42 siddhesh, no more tickets? 09:41:43 I will send the minutes to fudcon-planning list 09:41:51 amita: time's up 09:41:57 siddhesh, ok 09:42:07 siddhesh, endmeeting :) 09:42:13 #endmeeting