18:01:39 #startmeeting FUDCon subsidy meeting #1 (Queue: http://2tu.us/2lr0) 18:01:39 Meeting started Wed Aug 25 18:01:39 2010 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:54 #meetingname FUDCon subsidies 18:01:54 The meeting name has been set to 'fudcon_subsidies' 18:01:58 #topic Roll call 18:02:00 * stickster 18:02:28 * rbergeron 18:02:28 * gwerra 18:03:17 Oh, that meeting 18:03:19 I'm here! 18:03:28 * biertie is here 18:03:29 rrix :) 18:03:43 #link http://tinyurl.com/fudcon-tempe-2011-subq <-- Spreadsheet version 18:03:45 * rrix will have to disappear halfway through to scuttle to class 18:04:23 #undo 18:04:23 Removing item from minutes: 18:04:26 Argh, wrong link. 18:04:28 lol 18:04:31 * abadger1999 sorta here... on phone 18:04:33 i was like... waht did i do wrong 18:04:46 abadger1999: BoFA is the evil 18:05:02 No doubt. 18:05:25 #link http://2tu.us/2lr3 <-- Spreadsheet version 18:05:30 OK, there we go 18:05:59 #topic Order of operations 18:06:15 OK, what I'd like to do is go through the following, in order: 18:06:27 1. Go over priorities for FUDCon subsidies 18:06:38 2. Look at the list of NA requestors and see what we can grant 18:06:51 3. Look at the list of non-NA requestors and see what we can grant 18:07:02 I suspect that 1 & 2 will be pretty short. 18:07:18 Any additions/corrections? 18:08:35 * rbergeron wonders if this is the first of several rounds? 18:08:45 rbergeron: It is, thus "meeting #1" :-) 18:08:51 Because looking at the list we could easily give away everything today. 18:08:52 lol 18:08:53 okay! 18:09:07 :-) 18:09:16 Because anything we can't grant today, we may have to revisit later (as in the case of people who haven't told us sufficiently what they plan to accomplish with the subsidy) 18:09:25 Does that make sense? 18:09:31 * rbergeron nods 18:10:49 OK. The priorities I see are the following, not ordered: 18:10:56 1. Have one or two non-NA visitors from each region whose goals include learning how we set up FUDCon events, so they can take that back to their regions. 18:11:03 2. Ensure that any active NA contributor who can accomplish something meaningful at FUDCon has the opportunity to do so. 18:11:11 3. Don't give away the entire pot of money in one fell swoop, or at least ascertain whether we may need a little more in the kitty. 18:12:20 Now, you might be thinking that 3 is impossible given the current queue. But, consider the following: (a) We have four requestors from the LATAM region in the queue. (b) spevack has said he'd be willing to fund someone from each region out of discretionary Community Architecture funding -- i.e., not counting directly against the FUDCon "budget". 18:12:51 oh, excellent 18:13:06 win 18:14:08 What I would suggest we do, to be fair to Max, and also to make the planning easier, is that we try to pick up hotel costs for those travelers he's willing to fund, and let him take care of the airfare. 18:14:21 That really makes the accounting and the process of expensing those things easier. 18:14:58 In a sense Max's CA budget may really be picking up both bills, but we're just splitting up which pot of money is accounting for each. 18:15:31 And I think it will keep us oriented on making sure we bring in the right people, if we have to deal with some expenditure for every person we subsidize. 18:15:34 Thoughts? 18:16:02 *where "the right people" == people who can accomplish something meaningful at FUDCon for Fedora and/or their region 18:16:13 so - i'm assuming when you say that you mean, we would pick up hotel costs for say, 2 people from each region, and he might pick up 2 airfares? 18:16:43 Maybe i'm not following what you mean that line about max's CA budget and the fudcon budget - are you talking about applying that to the international fudcon ppl, or... ? 18:16:59 Let me back up a second, rbergeron. 18:17:03 yes, plz :) 18:17:11 You guys should be aware that Comm-Arch has a budget for major Fedora events in each quarter. 18:17:20 yup. 18:17:47 That budget is usually something like $20K. We have the ability to use a bit more for this event because of the fact we are holding it away from a Red Hat office, thus we knew in advance we'd need to move more people to the event. 18:18:14 * rbergeron nods 18:18:20 We are lowering the impact on that $20K already by buying some airfares in advance for Red Hat people both on the Fedora Engineering team and on Max's Comm-Arch team. 18:18:40 We will also pay a few strategic things early like airfares for non-NA people visiting. 18:19:18 Engineering team attendance comes out of engineering budget, and commarch team comes out of their own travel budget, is that correct? 18:19:21 Or not correct? 18:19:26 For the most part, that is correct. 18:19:47 If there's any spillover, Max, Spot, Jared and I will work that out behind the scenes and no one else needs to worry about it. 18:19:50 * rbergeron knows that enegineering budget is pretty... miniscule. 18:19:51 okay. 18:20:05 So is this a little clearer now? 18:20:10 What I am proposing... 18:20:55 * stickster interrupts himself to make one more point 18:21:31 The FUDCon Tempe occurs in Red Hat's fiscal Q4 (Dec-Feb). Q2 is for all practical purposes over already. Q3 runs from Sept-Nov. 18:21:37 * stickster returns to former flow. 18:21:41 What I am proposing... 18:22:10 is that we will move a couple of these non-NA airfares into Q3 and Max will pay them, leaving us a little more cushion in the major FUDCon event set-aside in Q4. 18:22:24 okay. 18:22:25 We will account for the hotel in Q4, since that's when we *have* to pay that cost (at checkout). 18:22:30 * rbergeron nods 18:22:34 okay, i get it now. :) 18:22:58 This might seem like accounting details, but it's important that we know how much we're spending in each quarter so we don't surprise spevack in Q4. 18:23:10 We also don't want to surprise jsmith-away or spot. :-) 18:23:29 * rbergeron grins 18:24:07 * stickster should have #topic'd a while ago 18:24:26 #topic Priorities 18:24:52 #info 1. Get a couple people from each region to FUDCon Tempe so they can learn more about how to set up a FUDCon, from the organizers themselves 18:25:53 #info 2. Help as many NA contributors as possible to attend FUDCon Tempe who can accomplish meaningful things there 18:26:49 #info 3. Try to stay close to our $20K budget in Q4, and keep Q3 spread in spevack's budget reasonable as well. 18:27:28 #info 4. Since leeway there is close to nil, stay completely within spot and jsmith's Q3 and Q4 budget. 18:27:35 rbergeron: Sound good? 18:28:25 Yes. 18:28:32 OK. Shall we start with some NA folks then? 18:28:53 yes please! 18:29:08 * stickster notes, if anyone gets lost on the queue, there's a link on the fudcon-planning wiki at https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning 18:29:28 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/9 (Pascal Calarco) 18:30:15 lodging cost is based on what? 18:30:20 splitting a room over 4 nights? 18:30:29 +1 no brainer 18:30:32 rbergeron: Lodging cost is based on $60 per room night (which is 1/2 the cost of a room) 18:30:47 We should probably just bump this to $240 for most people's stay (4 nights) to be safe. 18:30:57 * rbergeron nods 18:31:28 yes - some people can't get back on sunday unless they leave at like 10am. 18:31:35 Which is a bummer. 18:31:36 So Pascal is requesting $240 to attend, hold a session on FWN, and also to hack and instruct on Insight and Drupal. 18:31:39 +1 18:31:49 I think this is a no brainer, +1. 18:32:04 Who is updating these tickets? 18:32:08 after we get done? 18:32:15 rbergeron: I'll do it when we're through. 18:32:31 * stickster waits to see if anyone else agrees/disagrees on this 18:32:38 #chair rbergeron 18:32:38 Current chairs: rbergeron stickster 18:32:40 #chair abadger1999 18:32:41 Current chairs: abadger1999 rbergeron stickster 18:32:47 * stickster forgot who else was here. 18:32:49 +1 from me 18:32:55 inode0 :) 18:33:03 #chair gwerra inode0 rrix 18:33:03 Current chairs: abadger1999 gwerra inode0 rbergeron rrix stickster 18:33:18 #agreed $240 for pcalarco 18:33:25 +1 for me too ;) 18:33:35 #action stickster update https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/9 18:33:54 stickster: maybe a simple change in the spreadsheet with Y for now will work :) 18:33:57 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/13 (Steven M. Parrish) 18:34:17 ooh! someone's updating it live 18:34:19 Note my killer spreadsheet skillz with that update 18:34:25 +1 to smparrish 18:34:30 If you put in "Y" the "granted" total goes up too :-) 18:34:34 $240 :) 18:34:46 stickster: :) 18:34:46 rbergeron: I'm looking at each ticket to see what the requestor said they're going to do with the money 18:34:48 stickster: NICE 18:35:01 stickster: okay - I've already looked through all, so I'm probably jumping the gun a bit :) 18:35:10 Oh, good on ya rbergeron! 18:35:19 * rbergeron has been reading all the tickets that pop through, but realizes those reading logs may not have. (BUT YOU SHOULD!) 18:35:39 #info SMParrish requests $240 to do 1 or 2 presentations and help with the on-ground execution of FUDCon. 18:36:32 * rbergeron reiterates her +1 :) 18:36:42 SMParrish has already put a proposal for one of those talks on the wiki. I would say that's a +1 from me too, esp. given the cost. 18:36:50 +1 from me 18:36:56 * inode0 wants in the record that his lack of +1 means nothing more than likely his attention strayed 18:37:04 inode0: :-) Of course! 18:37:18 #agreed $240 for SMParrish 18:37:30 #action stickster to update https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/13 18:37:58 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/20 (Larry Cafiero) 18:38:15 #info Larry is requesting $480 to cover one non-shared room 18:38:30 Note that Larry's cost is higher because he can't easily share -- he's bringing his daughter with him. 18:38:48 Larry also notes a partial subsidy would be OK 18:39:13 Larry has *never* been to a FUDCon, but he has been a very active Fedora Ambassador for some time now. 18:39:21 well, I can share my room with his daughter ;-) 18:39:37 * stickster gives biertie the stink eye 18:39:39 * rbergeron notes that Mirano spoke at SCALE last year 18:39:45 anyway: +1 for me 18:40:00 rbergeron: Yes! I would *love* to see her give a talk at FUDCon :-) Maybe even a lightning talk if she wanted. 18:40:04 stickster: make it fair and pay for his part of the room? 18:40:17 Can we do a partial for now, and revisit? Or alternately get Mirano to file her own ticket? :) 18:40:34 gwerra: The only thing I would say is, Larry has never been to a FUDCon, and it's important to me that we make it easy for some different folks to get to the event. 18:40:42 And say what she's interested in doing? I know that she can certainly provide a lot from the education perspective. :) 18:40:47 I don't want to just compare Larry to, say, Steven apples-to-apples 18:41:02 I think that might make it easier on everyone's minds. 18:41:06 Larry is offering to do a session or panel for Ambassadors, including mentoring. 18:41:29 stickster: then we cant say no to anyone with a companion asking for a non shared room 18:42:11 gwerra: Of course we can :-) We have discretion after all :-) 18:42:32 stickster: well some people wouldn't be happy with it 18:42:37 +1 to rbergeron's suggestion I think. 18:42:44 but a +1 from me either ways 18:42:51 Here's what I would suggest -- let's ask Larry to get with herlo and inode0 and get their input to list a couple details that would help us understand how both of them might like to get involved 18:42:52 * rbergeron is happy to +1 this but would appreciate if Mirano put in a ticket. I know that she has concrete stuff to do / add. 18:42:56 Or alternately, decide that we're explicitly funding both of them now? 18:43:38 abadger1999: Since their travel is by car, it won't matter if it's a week or so later that we tell Larry and Mirano yes 18:43:45 18:43:53 * rbergeron nods 18:44:12 abadger1999: rbergeron: gwerra: Did what I wrote above agree with what you were thinking too? 18:44:22 stickster: yup 18:44:23 * rbergeron nods. 18:44:28 Yes. 18:44:41 As long as we hold aside funding for them if we're thinking that's what we want to do... 18:44:46 I think that's just fair to everyone involved. I know he's bringing her for educational experience, and she has stuff to offer back. :) 18:44:49 abadger1999: +1. 18:45:21 rbergeron: +1 18:45:29 #agreed Want a little more detail on whether/how Mirano might get involved, so we could fund both of them the same way we would any other two contributor attendees. We'll hold funding for them on that basis 18:45:39 #action stickster to update https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/20 18:45:59 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/22 (Robyn Bergeron) 18:46:03 WHO? 18:46:04 All I can say is NO WAY 18:46:14 She's weird. 18:46:17 She's way too feisty for FUDCon. 18:46:26 * rbergeron would like to note that she's trying to get sdake to ask his boss to maybe pick up a hotel room for us but he's thinking there is no way that is going to happen 18:46:35 she is scarry, /me hides 18:46:49 if not, I will likely leave sdake with the kids at grandma's and i'll take a half a room, plz :) 18:47:18 rbergeron: I couldn't tell how many days you were looking for. 18:47:30 stickster: I didn't know how many I would need. 18:47:40 it depends on when other organizer-types are getting in early 18:47:48 I don't know what the typical lead time is here :) 18:48:16 I'll be there nice and early :P 18:48:21 rbergeron: We've only done this once before with logistics help from someone at the site, and he was actually *at* the site 18:48:44 rbergeron: I think it could be useful for you to be there one day ahead, but it's probably not vital, especially since it's not a far driving distance. 18:48:51 Sooo - I'm not like, near enough to be on the site - and I know rrix is pretty tied up with school. 18:49:03 I can hang out at the in-laws before eeryone gets in. 18:49:25 If you came in by around lunchtime on Friday, would that be early enough? Or would you rather be around the day before? 18:49:37 * stickster wonders if jsmith-away is still away, to remind us when he's coming in. 18:49:39 that works. 18:49:48 rbergeron: Friday you mean? 18:49:48 Friday lunchtime. 18:49:51 Yessir. 18:50:54 rbergeron: Let's do this then. I'm going to set your subsidy up as 4 nights with a roommate, with the understanding that if sdake can't get funding for 1/2, we'll talk to spevack about it. I think it would be ludicrous not to fund someone who's helping put the whole event together. 18:51:38 jsmith isn't coming in early? 18:51:54 abadger1999: I'm not sure -- he may be, and if he is, then we'll add another room-night to Robyn's subsidy. 18:51:55 * rbergeron nods 18:52:05 rbergeron: Does that work for you? 18:52:08 sure. 18:52:14 IN fact 18:52:31 Let's just say, approved for an extra $120 (one night by yourself) to make sure you're covered. 18:52:36 Does that work for everyone? 18:52:51 probably not needed - I'll (my kids) will be 45 minutes across town at the in-laws on the couch - which is a fine drive normally, but not when operating on no sleep or when operating a fudpub :) 18:53:03 Oh, I see 18:53:14 OK, let's move on then, and revisit if needed. 18:53:16 45 in no traffic, i might add. :) 18:53:26 anyway. 18:53:37 Okay, move on. 18:53:38 #agreed We'll cover rbergeron's costs. 18:53:45 praiiiise the lord 18:54:01 heh 18:54:06 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/25 (Clint Savage) 18:54:25 herlo is requesting half a room for 4 nights, and will self-fund the other half since his spouse is accompanying him. 18:55:10 +1 from me for herlo 18:55:27 +1 18:55:37 +1 another no brainer I think 18:55:46 jep, agree 18:55:48 Herlo has indicated he'd be happy to come down and help prior as well 18:56:17 * stickster notes herlo says he'll help on-site. He's non-specific about what he'll do with Ambassadors, but the cost is low, and I'm highly confident that with his experience he'll be offering a session and/or working with other Ambassadors there. 18:56:22 * stickster +1 18:56:32 #agreed $240 granted for herlo 18:56:41 #action stickster to update https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/25 18:56:55 That's everyone on the NA side. 18:56:59 Susmit 18:57:01 stickster: susmit is in NA 18:57:02 * stickster knows we are at :56. 18:57:06 Oh! 18:57:10 Right, I forgot he's in the USA now! 18:57:11 Denver now ;) 18:57:18 :) 18:57:21 susmit is a definite no brainer +1 :) 18:57:28 +1 from me too 18:57:30 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/30 (Susmit Shannagrahi) 18:57:37 * stickster #topic's first 18:57:48 * inode0 needs to stop saying no brainer 18:57:49 #info Susmit requests $490 for a flight from DEN and room. 18:57:56 inode0: It's a no brainer to say no brainer. 18:58:11 +1 to susmit. 18:58:23 after careful reflection, +1 to sponsoring susmit 18:58:29 Like herlo, susmit is a little vague about what he plans to do 18:59:04 I'd like to say +1, but make it contingent on his offering a session and/or hackfest 18:59:10 For example, on the free media application 18:59:16 can we sort of consider that he will be experiencing FUDCon NA and helping India in the future with that experience which I'm sure he will 18:59:35 inode0: Sure -- is he going to be back in India next year? I'm not clear on how long he's in the USA 18:59:55 * abadger1999 is horrified that flights from DEN are so expensive but.... they are :-( 18:59:58 stickster: from what I know he wont be in India when we are wroking on the FUDCon here 19:00:14 there is this thing called the internet 19:00:17 abadger1999: I don't see a lot of flights below $250 these days at all 19:00:20 denver is just expensive to fly in and out of. 19:00:24 inode0: :-) good point 19:01:48 I think funding Susmit would give us a less expensive way to get one of the two contributors we want from India/APAC there 19:02:09 So gwerra, you don't need to worry that by funding Susmit, it means you can't come -- that's not the case. 19:02:29 isn't that a bit 'unfair' stickster ? 19:02:38 biertie: I don't understand? 19:02:42 stickster: if I was worried I wouldn't +1 :) 19:02:45 I mean, if I go live in the US for some years, I will feel like an american 19:02:51 not as an european? 19:03:13 or hmm, my explanation is weird 19:03:18 biertie: I don't even know how long Susmit is going to be here. Does anyone? 19:03:28 the point is to transfer knowledge isn't it? 19:03:37 help future FUDCons? 19:04:05 yeah -- so the question would be -- when will knowledge imparted to susmit make it back into the fudcon-India planning process. 19:04:30 Even if it's a couple years from now, it would be beneficial (compared to teh cost of slying someone from India). 19:04:40 *flying 19:04:44 we'll chat with susmit about it I guess - but I think we should fund his trip regardless based on my experience with him 19:04:56 inode0: abadger1999: Correct. It's not that we're automatically putting FUDCons in specific places, starting with funding people from those places. We're trying to get people to Tempe on a reasonable basis, so they can help plan a FUDCon somewhere, whether they live precisely there or not. 19:05:01 19:05:49 inode0: I agree -- and let's not forget Susmit is active in Spins, FreeMedia, and Ambassadors. He's clearly involved deeply in Fedora and I doubt we will have to work hard to get him to help transfer knowledge. 19:05:51 yeah, true 19:06:00 +1 19:06:36 +1 19:06:48 So can we agree on a yes, contingent on Susmit committing to help plan the next FUDCon in APAC? 19:07:19 stickster: 19:07:29 Denver to phx on southwest is like ... 82 bucks and 59 bucks right now. 19:07:33 probably for a very short time. 19:07:41 Ah, let's get that done then :-) 19:07:45 We 19:07:47 oops 19:08:00 We'll go ahead and say yes, and hope to reduce the cost with a quick airfare purchase. 19:08:14 * rbergeron notes that southwest is not on orbitz and is worth checking for flights into phoenix! 19:08:44 Is everyone +1 to my point above? " So can we agree on a yes, contingent on Susmit committing to help plan the next FUDCon in APAC?" 19:08:51 +1 19:08:55 +1 from me 19:08:58 I am +1 without the contingency 19:09:12 +1 w/out contingency 19:09:26 +1 19:09:49 How about, "Yes. We'd be really happy if you helped with next FUDCon APAC planning." (as opposed to requiring it) 19:10:02 +2 19:10:02 * inode0 likes that much better 19:10:11 * stickster used contingency too strongly 19:10:13 * abadger1999 as well. 19:10:43 * abadger1999 finally admints BofA failure and devotes full attention to meeting 19:10:45 #agreed $490 for susmit, and we hope he will help with next FUDCon APAC planning as a result. 19:10:52 #action stickster to update https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/30 19:11:02 #topic Time check 19:11:23 Folks, we're at :11. I would like to continue with non-NA people, because we want to get that show on the road. Is there anyone who cannot continue? 19:11:54 * gwerra can continue 19:11:54 * stickster holds for 20 sec 19:12:00 * abadger1999 can continue 19:12:08 * biertie can continue 19:12:36 OK 19:12:40 #agreed Continue onward! 19:12:48 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/8 (Hiemanshu Sharma) 19:13:19 * rbergeron updated susmit's request, btw, with info on a total plane cost of $162.40 on southwest. 19:13:33 rbergeron: Thanks 19:13:50 #info gwerra needs ~$1400 for a flight, plus hotel. 19:14:10 stickster: s/1400/1300 19:14:11 Those hotel costs will be a bit more than the standard $240 because given the jet lag he'll need a day to recover before we start. 19:14:58 stickster: not really, I am used to changing sleeping times, so that wont be a problem 19:15:10 ? 19:15:10 * rbergeron notes that there will probably be a few people coming in that are jetlagged :) 19:15:26 is this from spevack's budget? did I understand that correctly? 19:15:28 What if I'm just lagged, without the jet? 19:15:36 jsmith: then you'd be me! 19:15:42 * biertie notes that the jetlag from europe -> us is not that bad, going back from the us is worse 19:15:42 and is anyone else from India in the pool? 19:15:49 and that is probably the same for India 19:15:52 inode0: What I'm going to suggest is that hiemanshu's airfare be the one we move to spevack discretionary funding, and we'll cover his hotel per normal. 19:16:05 biertie: I disagree... flying West is always harder on me than flying East 19:16:24 * inode0 thinks we should focus on gwerra 19:16:28 maybe it's different for everybody then, dnno :) 19:16:48 Do we need to know if anyone else from India is in the pool or APAC in general? 19:16:55 Or is this first come, first served? 19:16:57 I want to know 19:17:00 Hiemanshu is the only person in the queue from India living in Inida. 19:17:14 Anyone else from APAC? 19:17:17 Well, i really mean apac. 19:17:24 inode0: Not at this point AFAICT 19:17:34 +1 19:17:40 apac -- Was probinson in APAC or UK? 19:17:43 UIK 19:17:44 UK 19:17:45 *UK 19:17:46 k 19:17:52 * stickster can't spiel 19:18:59 #idea Move Hiemanshu's airfare to be paid for from spevack discretionary funding, as our one coverage from APAC 19:19:00 Okay -- so no other APAC :-) 19:19:05 * rbergeron is kosher with this, assuming spevack's pool is plump. 19:19:12 * abadger1999 as well. 19:19:15 rbergeron: spevack has assured me we're in good shape. 19:19:33 Other than my doubling of prepositions. 19:20:05 * stickster waits for any other +/-1 19:20:14 abadger1999: I'm sort of counting susmit as another from APAC at this point 19:20:46 19:21:18 #agreed Move Hiemanshu's airfare to be paid for from spevack discretionary funding, as our one coverage from APAC. We will fund $240 in hotel 19:21:32 #action stickster update https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/8 19:22:08 inode0: Why is that? Isn't he coming from Denver? 19:22:44 He is going to school here and just started - he has contributed substantially from India over the past years 19:22:48 jsmith we agreed on that some time ago :) 19:23:40 * stickster just saw an error -- we missed nushio who is traveling from TX 19:23:45 Can we handle him real quick? 19:23:51 yes please 19:24:17 wait, is he in the LATAM pool though? 19:24:32 inode0: No 19:24:36 why not? 19:24:38 He's an Amurrcan 19:24:43 he lives in LATAM 19:25:04 Oh, I didn't read his ticket right -- he does indeed 19:25:17 He's travelling from .mx south of texas, iirc 19:25:33 He's only asking for funding from Texas to PHX. 19:25:37 That's why I got confused. 19:25:41 ah 19:25:42 hehe :-) 19:25:53 I think he is a no brainer but should be considered with other LATAM requests?! 19:25:55 * rrix suspends laptop and debates a nap. 19:26:00 This class is a joke 19:26:02 inode0: Yes, agreed. 19:26:04 bye 19:26:09 * rbergeron notes that mexico is technicall part of north america.... 19:26:13 just like canada.... 19:26:18 not in Fedora :) 19:26:37 inode0: +1 19:26:40 * abadger1999 wonders how canadians would feel about the "technically" part :-) 19:26:49 OK, let's look at the LATAM area together then 19:27:20 Is he wantting to come to plan, or is he wanting to come to participate? 19:27:24 If we try to do this sequentially things will get even more confusing than they'll probably be doing the region together. 19:27:27 rbergeron: ^^ 19:27:36 latam is interesting -- It can be split many different ways (probably like APAC...) 19:27:37 * stickster prepares to #topic unless someone disagrees 19:27:47 Go for it. 19:27:49 #topic LATAM subsidies 19:28:05 We have essentially 5 requests now from LATAM 19:28:44 Guillermo Gomez (gomix), Igor Soares (igor), Neville Cross (y1nv), José Edgardo López Vásquez (magjogui), and Juan Rodriguez (nushio) 19:29:17 * stickster notes that Maria Leandro (tatica) will be attending, but this is by separate arrangement with spevack and we don't need to worry about that funding. 19:29:34 no aeperezt? 19:29:50 inode0: Not at this time, I'm looking at the queue. 19:29:51 * stickster notes first off that abadger1999 said something important which is the many ways LATAM can be "split" 19:30:07 I believe I've met everyone except for magjogui. 19:30:12 Yeah -- 19:30:23 Central and South America are very different from each other. 19:30:40 Brasil is Portuguese speaking while everyone else is Spanish speaking. 19:30:49 I think we want to concentrate on a few things here: 1. Bringing in a couple people who are active contributors; 2. Bringing in people who represent different areas; 3. Bringing in people who have shown themselves to be good collaborators 19:31:02 Proximity to the US also has some influence on the way the countries associate with each other. 19:31:12 19:31:14 and 4. Bringing in people who've never experienced a FUDCon 19:31:43 Maria is coming from Venezuela. While we don't have to worry about the funding, I'm not sure we want to concentrate on bringing an additional person from Venezuela. 19:32:08 * inode0 doesn't know where everyone on the list is from 19:32:16 Also, jsmith, wasn't it the case that there was almost no one from Argentina at FUDCon Santiago? 19:32:36 about #4 -- seceral of the people have experienced SA fudcon but it's very different from NA fudcon... if they're continuing to be SA FUDCon organizers/attendees... we should get them up here to understand the differences and try to bring the best ideas home. 19:32:42 stickster: There was nobody subsidized for FUDCon Santiago 19:33:09 abadger1999: Right 19:33:12 stickster: One came on his dime 19:33:35 stickster: I believe the only other person from Venezuela is gomix... who is active in the Fedora community and we get his stay partially supported by his sister (he doesn't have to stay in a hotel) 19:34:44 jsmith: Talking about Neal Becker? 19:34:51 What I was thinking is that we should try to bring in someone from another CA/SA country, and if there's someone in the list from BR we include that person 19:34:54 abadger1999: Domingo Becker 19:34:58 jsmith: Thanks 19:35:00 * rbergeron notes that gomix has no transportation options except public transport, possibly, unless he can borrow a car, and it is a 40 mile drive from surprise to tempe. 19:35:05 jsmith: Ah right. Domingo 19:35:16 * abadger1999 transposed names there :-( 19:35:22 stickster: Since three folks from Brazil got subsidized for FUDCon LATAM, I'd lean towards some other LATAM country 19:35:33 jsmith: That's fair 19:35:43 stickster: Just trying to be fair :-/ 19:35:48 Where is neville from? 19:35:54 Nicaragua 19:36:17 jsmith: Was Neville at the LATAM FUDCon? 19:36:18 rbergeron: I believe he's been to tempe before to visit his sister -- not sure if he's planned out the car thing with his sister already. 19:36:35 I remember him mentioning he wanted to help with the next FUDCon planning in that region 19:37:01 stickster: No, he was not 19:37:07 Neville and nushio I am willing to consider outside the LATAM/NA designations too 19:37:15 jsmith: Note though -- Brasil is huge and speaks Portuguese instead of Spanish speaking.... 19:37:17 * stickster notes that Neville can do a partial subsidy, by traveling through Miami. 19:37:26 So inode0, I think that's the right way to go, yes 19:37:32 abadger1999: I certainly realize both of those tings 19:37:35 s/tings/things/ 19:37:45 abadger1999: After all, I was just there :-) 19:37:59 19:38:01 #idea Let's remove nushio and y1nv from this conversation, with the idea being their travel is cheap enough we can afford to bring them in regardless of other attendees 19:38:42 +1 19:38:45 stickster: +1 19:38:59 abadger1999: jsmith: rbergeron: ^^^ ? 19:39:09 0 19:39:28 abadger1999: I'm just trying to balance things out as best I can -- there was a *lot* of complaint that Brazil was over-represented at FUDCon LATAM, and so I'm just trying to be fair -- I have nothing against Brazil, as you know. 19:39:39 * rbergeron is kosher with that totally :) 19:39:43 stickster: I'm OK with that I guess 19:40:34 #agreed We'll consider nushio and y1nv in line with domestic travelers due to low cost, and look for two add'l people from LATAM 19:40:43 * inode0 is prepared to +1 both y1nv and nushio but just didn't want that to by default mean no to the others 19:40:44 jsmith: I think there's a lot of danger in trying to be fair without thinking about objectives.... We want to raise a body of people who understand fudcon in SA... we should be looking at people who are going to be helping to organize fudcon (probably remotely since we'll likely only get one person in country at the most). 19:40:54 inode0: Understood and agreed 19:41:16 * abadger1999 agrees with inode0 I think. 19:41:46 That leaves us with gomix, igor, and magjogui in the queue right now. 19:41:57 and a bid from panama 19:42:58 inode0: That's right. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:LATAM_2011_Bid_Panama 19:43:29 * rbergeron would think it would be fair to note that having people from other regions doesn't necessarily mean that their city is going to get the bid by default 19:43:42 Although tatica will be in Tempe and is undoubtedly involved somehow with this, I don't see anyone else on the Panama local team listed in our ticket queue 19:44:03 aeperezt was I thought 19:44:32 * inode0 thinks we should ping him at least 19:44:33 inode0: If you see him in the ticket queue, please point him out :-) 19:44:38 Perhaps what we ought to do is solicit one person from that group to attend. Preferably that person will speak enough English to be able to learn effectively, and be a good collaborator with other people in the region 19:44:48 If that person is aeperezt, super! 19:45:08 aeperezt is a fine choice IMO 19:45:08