#fedora-meeting log

06:00:30 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n
06:00:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 30 06:00:30 2016 UTC.  The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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06:00:30 <pravins> #meetingname g11n
06:00:30 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:31 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n'
06:00:43 <tagoh_> hi
06:00:54 <pravins> hi tagoh_ :)
06:00:56 <suanand> hi..
06:00:59 <pravins> who else available for meeting today?
06:01:02 <pravins> hi suanand
06:01:09 <pravins> #chair suanand tagoh_
06:01:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: pravins suanand tagoh_
06:01:13 <ueno> hi
06:01:19 <epico> hi
06:01:26 <pravins> hi ueno epico jibecfed :)
06:01:32 <pravins> #chair ueno epico jibecfed
06:01:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico jibecfed pravins suanand tagoh_ ueno
06:01:34 <paragan> hi
06:01:48 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-03-30
06:01:57 <pravins> hoping we will have quick meeting today.
06:02:00 <pravins> hi paragan :)
06:02:09 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:02:09 <pravins> #info 2016-04-05 	Software Translation Deadline
06:02:10 <pravins> #info 2016-04-19 	Beta Freeze (*)
06:02:10 <pravins> #info 2016-04-19 	Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline
06:02:10 <pravins> #info 2016-05-03 	Beta Release
06:02:38 <pravins> As you might have seen, we had F24 Alpha release yesterday. No more sleep in schedule :)
06:03:00 <pravins> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-24-alpha-released/
06:03:24 <pravins> We have two important milestone coming in just few weeks.
06:03:45 <pravins> 1. Software Translation deadline. (Executing vFAD translation before it)
06:04:05 <pravins> 2. Beta Freeze (Fedora i18n test day on 12th April)
06:04:34 <pravins> Lets move to next topic
06:05:03 <juhp> hi
06:05:07 <pravins> hi juhp :)
06:05:09 <jibecfed> why is alpha release different than the l10n test day ?
06:05:11 <pravins> #chair juhp
06:05:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico jibecfed juhp pravins suanand tagoh_ ueno
06:05:33 <pravins> jibecfed: you means testing image?
06:05:41 <jibecfed> yep : why is alpha release ISO different than the one for l10n test day ?
06:06:58 <pravins> We normally prepare different ISO for test day, i.e. pulling all translation.
06:07:06 <pravins> But this time it not happened in time.
06:07:17 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6378
06:07:49 <pravins> jibecfed: and one more reason Alpha ISO is based on Alpha freeze date, which used to be bit older.
06:07:56 <pravins> Good to test on latest image/snapshot
06:08:10 <pravins> moving ahead with same topic
06:08:10 <pravins> #topic F24 L10N test day planning
06:08:11 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/18
06:08:40 <pravins> Its going on well.
06:08:47 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2016-03-29_Translation_Test_Day
06:08:52 <pravins> Test day app page. http://testdays.fedorainfracloud.org/events/3
06:09:01 <pravins> As of now good number of people participated.
06:10:09 <pravins> I think we should use bug reported during test days in translation sprint.
06:10:45 <jibecfed> many translations are not up to date in software but translated in tools
06:11:28 <pravins> we need to ask maintainer to build package with latest translations.
06:11:39 <jibecfed> can also someone explain how to test comps ?
06:13:30 <pravins> LANG=locale_code dnf grouplist ?
06:14:27 <paragan> jibecfed, well I was not knowing l10n people tests comps also
06:15:45 <jibecfed> wiki says it is in anaconda installer to list packages
06:15:58 <pravins> it is listed in package list http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA-L10N:comps
06:16:01 <jibecfed> but I can't find it, not snowlet
06:16:18 <jibecfed> nor "snowlet", who tried to test too
06:16:27 <pravins> paragan: http://testdays.fedorainfracloud.org/events/3
06:17:05 <pravins> jibecfed: its when you select group during installation. minimal install etc. Libreoffice.
06:17:11 <pravins> I think we need to update test case
06:17:34 <pravins> #info Need to update comps testcase, not very clear. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA-L10N:comps
06:17:36 <jibecfed> I think you don't have this choice with "Live ISO"
06:17:55 <paragan> the comps is already not translated 100%, see https://fedora.zanata.org/iteration/view/comps/master
06:18:33 <pravins> i think grouplist is also good way to test.
06:18:41 <pravins> but more terminal oriented.
06:19:17 <pravins> Lets move to next topic. Will discus on #fedora-test-day
06:19:28 <jibecfed> paragan: this isn't a very useful statistic because it takes all languages ;)
06:19:35 <pravins> #topic F24 I18N Test day planning
06:19:36 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/60
06:19:55 <pravins> Date is fixed 12th April.
06:20:10 <pravins> I have updated ticket with steps/action items.
06:21:40 <pravins> do you think we should have common badges for L10N and i18n test days?
06:21:45 <pravins> Or different
06:21:58 <pravins> unfortunately no badges proposed for translation test days :(
06:22:56 <juhp> hmm
06:23:12 <juhp> would separate ones encourage more testing?
06:23:40 <pravins> since translation test day has been done, so not make sense to award badges for event over.
06:23:55 <juhp> right
06:23:56 <pravins> Even badge team not promote badges for event completed.
06:23:59 <juhp> next time
06:24:02 <pravins> sure.
06:24:07 <pravins> make sense to me as well.
06:24:58 <pravins> #info TODO list for i18n test day https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/60#comment:3
06:25:19 <pravins> I hope, i did not missed anything there :)
06:26:56 <paragan> no you have not missed anything there ;-)
06:27:14 <pravins> nice :)
06:27:28 <pravins> I hope, someone from FLTG can take few items from there.
06:28:16 <pravins> moving to next topic
06:28:25 <pravins> #topic Fedora Translation sprint
06:28:25 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/5
06:29:02 <pravins> #info We have draft ready in http://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/ now.
06:29:27 <pravins> bit struggling on badges side. I had email conversasion with mleonova yesterday, hope she can take the badge.
06:30:22 <juhp> the badge is for any future i18n Test Day?
06:30:36 <pravins> we do it for each release.
06:30:50 <pravins> We had one for Fedora 23 test day.
06:30:51 <juhp> badge per release?
06:30:55 <juhp> ah okay
06:31:00 <juhp> cool
06:31:45 <pravins> From Translation test day perspective, i think it make sense to have Translation sprint after test day.
06:32:00 <pravins> Bug reported during test day, can be fixed in Translation sprint.
06:33:14 <pravins> #action Ping FPL for adding Translation sprint news in Weekly 5 news.
06:33:31 <pravins> #action Discuss with Jona on outreach plan.
06:34:15 <pravins> #action pravins to ping mleonova again today for badge design.
06:34:41 <juhp> pravins, cool
06:35:02 <pravins> #info Translation sprint happening from 1st to 5th April 2016.
06:35:13 <pravins> moving to next topic.
06:35:13 <pravins> #topic Live media with langpacks included
06:35:14 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/17
06:35:30 <pravins> paragan: can we test this in Fedora 24 Alpha anyhow?
06:36:34 <paragan> pravins, um not sure, let's test in test day :-)
06:37:30 <jibecfed> I made a fresh install of alpha with french, I'm still having libreoffice in english
06:38:20 <pravins> paragan: yes, make sense. I think once we have proper testing langpacks, we can go ahead for Language spins.
06:38:43 <pravins> jibecfed: good time to report bug, its Alpha now :)
06:39:18 <jibecfed> but it's not in test cases, isn't it to be tested in i18n
06:39:22 <jibecfed> test day ?
06:40:31 <pravins> jibecfed: yeah, that is part of i18n test day.
06:40:58 <pravins> report it, we will include it in good to test.
06:41:14 <jibecfed> ok
06:41:25 <pravins> Thanks jibecfed :)
06:41:58 <pravins> I hope, we will able to do some Language spins after Fedora 24 GA.
06:42:38 <pravins> moving to next ticket
06:42:38 <pravins> #topic F24 change planning
06:42:39 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57
06:43:24 <pravins> Satya: Since, we have to include test cases from Change proposals. Good if you can review test cases on change proposals.
06:43:34 <Satya> sure
06:43:43 <pravins> Example: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging#How_To_Test
06:44:08 <pravins> These are very basic, mostly written by Developers. As a layman i think you can improve it further :)
06:44:35 <Satya> sure, will be updated under FLTG activity
06:45:14 <pravins> paragan: fujiwarat feel free to ping Satya or FLTG to review test plan for change proposals :)
06:45:37 <pravins> #action Satya to work with FLTG and change proposal owners to improve test cases.
06:45:47 <fujiwarat> pravins: ok
06:45:48 <pravins> thanks Satya :)
06:46:03 <pravins> Satya++
06:46:08 <Satya> smaitra++
06:47:05 <pravins> moving to next topic
06:47:07 <pravins> #topic FTBFS bugs for Rawhide (pravins)
06:47:08 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/61
06:47:50 <pravins> Bug 1307493 fbterm: FTBFS in rawhide - Luis Bazan (lbazan)  (If fixed now)
06:48:12 <pravins> .bug 1307714
06:48:13 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1307714 libUnihan: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1307714
06:48:18 <pravins> .bug 1308109
06:48:19 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308109 sazanami-fonts: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308109
06:48:24 <pravins> .bug 1308190
06:48:25 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308190 tomoe-gtk: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308190
06:48:29 <pravins> .bug 1308194
06:48:31 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308194 translate-toolkit: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308194
06:48:36 <pravins> are still pending.
06:49:23 <pravins> aha sazanami-fonts blocker issues fixed now. #1240265
06:50:19 <pravins> Thanks paragan for closing - Bug 1308109 sazanami-fonts: FTBFS in rawhide  :)
06:50:24 <pravins> paragan++
06:50:44 <pravins> moving to last topic
06:50:50 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
06:51:07 <pravins> If we missed any topic or important point please raise here.
06:51:27 <pravins> thanks harish__ for retweet of meeting reminder :)
06:51:54 <pravins> Globalization is very important for APAC region and support from you really appreciated.
06:52:16 <jibecfed> should we continue to test alpha or have we enough for 1st test day ?
06:53:08 <pravins> It always good to do more testing :)
06:53:09 <jibecfed> pravins: here is the bug for dnf and langpacks, I hope it's in the good component ... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1322246
06:53:47 <pravins> yes, looks good.
06:54:06 <pravins> paragan: is in cc list, so no issues :)
06:54:24 <pravins> jibecfed: after test day we have to again become active for Translation sprint.
06:54:36 <pravins> Fedora 24 really keeping very busy to all of us ;)
06:54:51 <jibecfed> should we make dnf updates or keep the alpha packages as a reference for testing ?
06:55:19 <pravins> no, we should update machine each time before test day.
06:55:24 <pravins> keep updated.
06:55:44 <jibecfed> ok,
06:55:53 <jibecfed> this test has to be updated http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA-L10N:NetworkManager
06:56:17 <jibecfed> nmcli exists, but not with "nm", "con" or "dev"
06:57:49 <pravins> yeah, i think this time we missed to review all test cases.
06:58:06 <pravins> please comment on test day app for this.
06:58:07 <jibecfed> and it should be a possibility to write something in "Nice to test"
06:58:13 <pravins> It will help for review of test day.
06:58:52 <pravins> yeah, we used to do it. I think during F23 we removed most of the "nice to test" stuff, since it was very old.
06:58:59 <pravins> Now we should do it for F24.
06:59:03 <pravins> but not time.
06:59:11 <pravins> jibecfed: feel free to provide feedback :)
06:59:21 <pravins> We are almost at closing time
06:59:27 <jibecfed> just add a generic name
06:59:33 <pravins> Lets close meeting in couple of minutes if nothing else.
06:59:42 <pravins> jibecfed: yes.
06:59:51 <jibecfed> so people can make comments and link bug, like for the one with weak deps
06:59:59 <pravins> lets continue discussion on #fedora-g11n :)
07:00:26 <jibecfed> k
07:00:33 <pravins> thanks everyone for meeting :)
07:00:34 <pravins> #endmeeting