06:00:40 #startmeeting g11n 06:00:40 Meeting started Wed Jun 29 06:00:40 2016 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:00:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:00:40 The meeting name has been set to 'g11n' 06:00:40 #meetingname g11n 06:00:40 The meeting name has been set to 'g11n' 06:00:40 #topic agenda and roll call 06:00:40 #info Fedora 25 planning 06:00:47 Hi! 06:00:47 hi 06:00:52 who else available here? :) 06:00:58 hi mfabian suanand :) 06:01:01 #chair suanand mfabian 06:01:01 Current chairs: mfabian pravins suanand 06:01:01 hi 06:01:05 hi epico :) 06:01:07 #chair epico 06:01:07 Current chairs: epico mfabian pravins suanand 06:01:08 hi 06:01:30 hi paragan :) 06:01:33 #chair paragan 06:01:34 Current chairs: epico mfabian paragan pravins suanand 06:01:51 hi 06:02:08 hi juhp :) 06:02:11 #chair juhp 06:02:11 Current chairs: epico juhp mfabian paragan pravins suanand 06:02:14 hi 06:02:15 ok, lets start 06:02:20 hi aeng :) 06:02:29 #topic Upcoming schedule 06:02:29 #info 2016-07-05 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) 06:02:29 #info 2016-07-26 Branch Fedora 25 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F26) 06:02:39 So it like next Tuesday. 06:02:59 so, we should do bit hurry 06:03:10 #topic #64: Fedora 25 i18n planning 06:03:10 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/64 06:03:48 from last meeting, lets see our planned changes 06:03:52 System-wide 06:03:54 1. Unicode 9.0 06:04:11 mfabian: if you need help i can create Change proposal for this. :) 06:04:26 That would be nice, I am working on the update at the moment. 06:04:43 great. 06:04:54 #action pravins to create change proposal for Unicode 9.0 06:05:14 2. CLDR sync with Glibc locales (tentative) 06:05:24 Are we planning to propose it this time? 06:05:42 from last year experience, i think good to propose and if require we can push it for F26. 06:05:44 I am not sure yet how much is possible there. 06:06:11 its definitely tricky one, since lots of upstream dependency. 06:06:15 Something is surely possible but I wonder how much. Collation will probably be too difficult. 06:06:26 when is the Change freeze? 06:06:36 05th July 06:07:06 mfabian: we need to do it stepwise. May be first only localedata few field. 06:07:14 then gradually we can move to collation. 06:07:22 26 July! 06:07:27 sounds unlikely to me 06:07:51 26 july? 06:07:56 also when rawhide branches 06:07:57 wohoooo... 06:08:05 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule 06:08:32 aha, you mean completion deadline. True 06:08:36 2016-07-26 Branch Fedora 25 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F26); Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable) 06:08:50 This is a quick release 06:08:59 we follow 7-5 months release schedule 06:09:00 +1 for system-wide its important to be there before Alpha 06:09:09 Alpha is right after flock! 06:09:28 that is the reason there is no mass rebuilds 06:09:40 the schedule seems very aggressive this time 06:09:49 i just wonder why Change completion date is so early, before Alpha freeze. Might be i have not noticed it early. 06:09:53 paragan, yeah cos no time lol 06:10:09 maybe to make up the delay for fed24 06:10:16 2 weeks in between. 06:10:18 to squeeze in F26? 06:10:25 paragan: 7 month for big changes, and 5 month for more stable release? 06:10:38 was the announced? 06:10:41 that 06:10:42 jkurik not around today :) 06:10:43 not exactly 06:11:09 anyway there will probably be a little slip - but should be in good time for Xmas 06:11:11 epico, its to accommodate conference schedules, Public Holidays specially US holidays 06:11:20 okay 06:11:54 agree with juhp, CLDR will definitely take more time than this. 06:12:16 paragan: ah, first time to know 7-5 months release schedule. 06:13:10 ah okay F23 was released 2015-11-03 06:13:19 epico, seems you're kind of right 06:13:40 :) 06:13:42 so mfabian will drop plan for CLDR this time? 06:13:48 I heard it discussed but didn't know it was real 06:13:59 good to start though :) 06:14:19 pravins: Yes, I think that is not possible until F26. Of course I’ll start working on it. 06:14:25 yeah, definitely good to start. Glibc upstream even patch review sometime take lot time ;) 06:14:29 perfect. 06:14:58 #agreed dropping plan for CLDR sync with glibc for F25. 06:15:24 #idea 3. Centralization of Hunspell (tentative) 06:16:19 I feel 1.0 release is definitely possible, but there are many stakeholders for this project 06:16:24 anish is not around today 06:16:28 lets see if he can make it. 06:16:42 #action pravins to ping Anish for Hunspell project 06:17:01 right F23 to F24 release there is 7 months gap 06:17:14 this is due to slip as well. 06:17:26 We had longest release in Fedora. Fedora 21 06:17:28 I remember somewhere Mattdm saying to have 8-4 months release cycles 06:17:31 it took almost year 06:17:52 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/Schedule 06:18:13 If I look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule, it looks like its 5 months release 06:18:56 #info Fedora 24 took 7month to release, F25 release plan is 5month as of now. 06:19:11 moving to next category 06:19:22 #idea 4. Multilingual ibus typing booster 06:19:26 again mfabian here :) 06:19:44 mfabian: planning to create change page for this? 06:19:59 hi 06:20:04 hi fujiwarat :) 06:20:07 #chair aeng fujiwarat 06:20:07 Current chairs: aeng epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan pravins suanand 06:20:20 #idea 5. String breakage monitoring script 06:20:26 pravins: Is a change page necessesary/useful if the change does not affect anything else but ibus-typing-booster? 06:20:55 pravins: Maybe to advertise the change ... 06:20:56 from my perspective i am looking for this change more from creating awareness to our users. 06:20:59 right 06:21:11 since, it came to late Fedora 24 release, we not able to give much attention 06:21:32 same time, i feel this is the change people might be looking from long time. 06:21:41 And I will make the UI better to set this up, but maybe not in time for the F26 feature freeze. 06:21:42 so just for creating awareness and more testing. 06:22:34 mfabian: we can create change page, saying change it 100% complete. :) 06:22:40 dunno what other feels.. 06:23:07 You can also write 50% as the feature works but the UI for the setup is not nice yet. 06:23:35 do you plan to do the UI for F25? 06:24:08 Probably, because it is probably enough if it is done until the beta phase of f25. 06:25:01 ye 06:25:02 yes 06:25:29 If you are planning to improvements in F25, good to highlight it with change. Its self-contained so should be not much issue 06:26:26 pravins: Yes, then a change proposal might be nice to get some more attention from users. 06:26:42 great, i can help with edit in proposal :) 06:26:53 will you create one then? should i add action item? 06:27:46 pravins: OK, I’ll create one. 06:27:49 #action mfabian will create change proposal for Multilingual Ibus typing booster (self-contained) 06:27:54 great, thanks :) 06:28:23 suanand: about string breakage monitoring script 06:28:41 for update, we (me and suanand ) had quick meeting with aeng. 06:28:52 pravins, planning to start work next week.. 06:29:03 suanand: i remember you mentioned string breakage is not very good title to this. 06:29:24 yes.. how about "transdiff" ? 06:29:27 i have to propose feature (JIRa) in Zanata sync 06:30:21 transdiff -- should provide diff UI for translations. diff between: install po vs upstream po? 06:31:26 transdiff yeah, its more functional name 06:31:35 pravins, should development of transdiff be in parallel with proposed feature for Zanata Sync? 06:31:39 but year, if there are no other suggestions, we can go with it :) 06:31:54 suanand, it should be 06:32:06 aeng, +1 06:32:14 +1 06:32:23 we can discuss more when we actually starts implementing 06:32:37 aeng: right, i think change proposal can help more here 06:32:37 * suanand nod 06:32:41 there's several way to sort this out even without implementation in Zanata 06:32:45 suanand: will you create change proposal? 06:33:07 aha, sure! 06:33:17 * pravins to be frank each time i discuss this, i get confuse and need to backtrack earlier discussions ;) 06:33:44 #action suanand will create change proposal for transdiff. 06:34:12 I have not got time to do review on atomic workstation 06:34:24 so looks not realistic with deadline time. 06:35:21 #topic Fedora 25 planning trans/zanata 06:35:21 #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/24 06:35:55 from translation perspective. 06:36:23 Noriko suggested couple of ideas 06:36:37 #idea 1. Glossary Project 06:36:58 #idea 2. Bug triage and fixes from F24 trans test day. 06:37:14 we had some discussion already on mailing list, hope she can create change proposal for same. 06:39:03 #idea 3. Introductory course for starting localization with Fedora. 06:40:05 aeng: same time, when we are planning deployment of Zanata with Fedmsg 06:40:21 same time? 06:40:31 oops, means discussion with other topics :) 06:41:25 i think, you might be having some discussions already with hubs team. 06:41:33 yes 06:42:29 would be nice to see updates on ticket :) 06:43:24 #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/19 06:43:42 #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/22 06:45:20 i will try 06:45:52 just had the meeting this morning.. alot to triage and need to discuss with team. i will update the tickets once i got more information 06:46:12 ah... but that 2 tickets... 06:46:20 yes, i will update it.. its alright done 06:47:54 great, thanks aeng :) 06:48:22 there is already thread on trans list regarding change planning for F25. So we can stop here today 06:48:26 #topic Open Floor 06:48:39 Did we missed anything urgent or any other topic to discuss? 06:49:30 I have the plan to integrate Emoji typing but not sure if it's on time for f25. 06:49:53 Emoji tying will be great. 06:50:27 As of now, may be just create change proposal. It can give more ideas at least 06:50:44 i think emoji will be self contained change. 06:50:50 does it depend on any other packages? 06:51:13 As far as i know, we are more relaxed for self contained change in Fedora. 06:51:17 Recently I'm thinking to get the data from nodejs-emojione 06:51:25 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1350700 06:51:37 So even, if its getting complete by Beta, it should be fine. If i am correct, we can ask to jkurik again. 06:53:05 pravins: ok 06:53:10 fujiwarat: i will recommend to create change proposal at least for now. 06:53:14 and lets see how it goes. 06:53:24 if its not complete by Beta, we can postpone to F26 06:53:39 sure 06:53:45 gtg now guys. Thanks for meeting 06:54:03 thanks fujiwarat, should i add action item for you? 06:54:26 pravins: yes, please. 06:54:30 #idea Emoji typing in Fedora. 06:54:41 #action fujiwarat will create change proposal for emoji typing. 06:54:46 thanks fujiwarat :) 06:54:54 aeng: we are done. :) 06:54:58 thanks all for meeting 06:55:02 #endmeeting