06:00:10 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n (i18n)
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06:00:39 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:39 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-02-17
06:00:42 <suanand> Hi...
06:00:46 <jibecfed> hi :)
06:00:47 <mfabian> Hi!
06:00:54 <epico> hi
06:01:03 <paragan> Hi
06:01:04 <fujiwarat> hi
06:01:05 <pravins> hi jibecfed mfabian epico suanand :)
06:01:07 <pravins> hi paragan
06:01:41 <pravins> jibecfed: i have few updates on F24 Enhancements plans activities, will update in topic.
06:01:55 <pravins> hi fujiwarat :)
06:02:01 <juhp> hi
06:02:16 <mtoh> good morning everyone :)
06:02:23 <pravins> #chair suanand epico paragan fujiwarat jibecfed juhp
06:02:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat jibecfed juhp paragan pravins suanand
06:02:35 <pravins> hi juhp mtoh :)
06:02:37 <jibecfed> pravins:ok, me too
06:02:56 <pravins> nice.
06:03:34 <pravins> mtoh: looks like this is first time you in meeting, would you like to introduce yourself?
06:04:36 <mtoh> Sure thing! I'm new around here and would like to participate here. I am a developer from Switzerland and have already joined the German i18n team. I have a background in audio engineering and use heavily fedora, thus I would like to give something back to the project
06:05:08 <paragan> mtoh, welcome here :)
06:05:20 <pravins> mtoh++
06:05:24 <mtoh> In order to get a feeling for what's going on, I have joined the meeting here
06:05:24 <mtoh> thanks :)
06:06:18 <jibecfed> willkommen mtoh
06:06:26 <pravins> glad to have you in Fedora. :)
06:06:32 <tagoh_> hi
06:06:41 <pravins> hi tagoh_ :)
06:06:46 <pravins> #chair tagoh_
06:06:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat jibecfed juhp paragan pravins suanand tagoh_
06:06:56 <mfabian> mtoh: Grüezi!
06:07:02 <pravins> Lets quickly go through upcoming schedule
06:07:23 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:07:24 <pravins> #info 2016-02-23 	Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F25)
06:07:24 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 	Alpha Freeze (*)
06:07:24 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 	Software String Freeze
06:07:24 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 	Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
06:07:24 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 	Bodhi activation point
06:07:26 <pravins> #info 2016-03-22 	Alpha Release
06:08:22 <pravins> no changes from last time. F24 Branching is scheduled in next week.
06:09:09 <pravins> #topic #57: Fedora 24 change planning
06:09:16 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57
06:09:48 <pravins> any news on our proposed changes?
06:10:13 <jibecfed> is LangpacksInstallationWithRPMWeakDependencies accepted ?
06:10:26 <mfabian> pravins: Carlos said Monday that he will have time to review the locale sub-packaging Wednesday. And today is Wednesday ☺.
06:10:42 <pravins> mfabian: nice.
06:10:50 <paragan> jibecfed, yes
06:10:59 <pravins> mfabian: does your changes are in Fedora rawhide?
06:11:12 <pravins> paragan: nice.
06:11:27 <mfabian> pravins: My changes are for rawhide.
06:11:52 <jibecfed> paragan:bravo ! may I add it to wiki/Releases/24/ChangeSet ? or is there an other process ?
06:11:54 <mfabian> But they are not pushed to rawhide yet. I have pushing rights, but I will push only if Carlos says it is OK.
06:11:57 <paragan> so Change is accepted but https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/593 is still pending to be discussed tomorrow
06:12:09 <paragan> once its approved, we will change required packages in Fedora
06:12:47 <paragan> so this implementation will take some time
06:13:02 <paragan> but hope to get all changes done before Alpha release
06:13:13 <juhp> okay but langpacks is already in rawhide, right?
06:13:45 <paragan> yeah the meta-packages langpacks-* are in rawhide already :)
06:13:46 <juhp> but not other packages right...
06:14:02 <paragan> yes not other
06:14:07 <paragan> waiting on FPC
06:14:14 <juhp> okay
06:14:26 <mfabian> paragan, juhp: glibc coming soon ...
06:14:29 <pravins> #info Glibc_Subpackaging builds are available for Fedora Rawhide, after review from Carlos - mfabian will commit those.
06:14:40 <juhp> mfabian, :)
06:15:12 <paragan> mfabian++
06:15:12 <zodbot> paragan: Karma for mfabian changed to 2 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
06:16:05 <juhp> paragan++
06:16:05 <zodbot> juhp: Karma for pnemade changed to 4 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
06:16:43 <pravins> #info meta-packages and langpacks-* are available in rawhide.
06:17:09 * pravins wished Glibc changes get into rawhide before branching to Fedora 24 :)
06:17:22 <pravins> s/wished/wish
06:17:27 <jibecfed> souldn't we make a communication about this change on fedora magazine ?
06:17:33 <jibecfed> (langpacks)
06:17:50 <pravins> jibecfed: good point. We should
06:18:34 <pravins> #undo
06:18:34 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by pravins at 06:16:43 : meta-packages and langpacks-* are available in rawhide.
06:18:48 <pravins> #info meta-packages langpacks-* are available in rawhide
06:18:51 <jibecfed> I would suggest : to give status of translation, and introduce langpacks and explain how to contribute, the QA part is really clear, but the PackagingDrafts aint clear to me has a neewbie
06:20:27 <paragan> jibecfed, what things are unclear to you?
06:20:32 <pravins> Earlier it was only Fedora Magazine but now we have community blogs as well.
06:21:17 <pravins> I think our article should go in Fedora Magazine to advertise users things coming in Fedora 24. But if its more developer/contributor oriented it should go to community blog.
06:21:41 <jibecfed> paragan: should this code be in the main package (like libreoffice's one) or in the langpack package ?
06:21:43 <paragan> jibecfed, QA test case for langpacks is here -> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=QA:Langpacks
06:21:48 <pravins> jibecfed: feel free to propose post for this, its interesting for readers :)
06:22:05 <jibecfed> paragan: I mean this page : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/Langpack
06:22:32 <paragan> langpack package
06:23:33 <jibecfed> paragan: I'm a contributor, I notice I don't have some packages locale embedded with some package, what bug report should I make to help transmitting the right information
06:24:04 <paragan> jibecfed, its upto the package maintainer to decide to provide langpack packages
06:24:22 <paragan> if they decide to create langpack packages then above draft implementation will be used
06:24:34 <paragan> otherwise there will be no langpacks subpackages for that package
06:25:05 <jibecfed> paragan:right, i'm ok to propose a draft of article :)
06:25:35 <paragan> generally langpack packages are created when there is big translations per language
06:26:02 <pravins> jibecfed: nice, do follow process. i.e. first propose pitch and then few +'s, start creating draft.
06:26:35 <mfabian> paragan: Or big other language specific stuff
06:26:58 <paragan> mfabian, right
06:27:04 <pravins> #info jibecfed planning to propose article in Fedora Magazine/Community Blog for Status of Translation, Langpacks introduction and how to contribute.
06:28:10 <pravins> fujiwarat: anything  update or query for ibus-fbterm_enhancement_for_ibus_1.5  ?
06:29:17 <fujiwarat> No, update specially. It's almost done.
06:29:44 <pravins> nice. fujiwarat do update percentage complete on page, once done :)
06:30:32 <pravins> #info  ibus-fbterm_enhancement_for_ibus_1.5 is almost ready.
06:30:49 <pravins> #topic #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release
06:30:56 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58
06:31:11 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements
06:32:24 <jibecfed> i made progresses on listing fedora websites
06:32:33 <jibecfed> the result is here : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/List_of_Fedora_sites
06:33:10 <jibecfed> to be clear : nothing is translated outside community websites
06:33:26 <pravins> ohh, big chunk is missing.
06:34:05 <jibecfed> most of tools are very close to redhat/fedora activity and probably not going to be globalized any soon
06:34:06 <pravins> fedora.zanata.org/   this must be available for translation.
06:34:39 <pravins> i am still not sure, how can we proceed for this.
06:35:06 <jibecfed> the global list or fedora.zanata translation ?
06:35:18 <pravins> fedora.zanata.org website.
06:35:33 <pravins> We are planning for meeting with Translators and Zanata members. May be Friday or early next week.
06:35:33 <fujiwarat> pravins: I cannot find the percentage line.
06:35:49 <pravins> fujiwarat: yeah, even i did not. It was used to be there earlier.
06:35:52 * pravins checking template.
06:36:15 <pravins> jibecfed: how do you think, to raise it there and see how can we proceed.
06:36:16 <pravins> ?
06:36:42 <jibecfed> pravins: sorry, i don't understand
06:36:53 <jibecfed> where ?
06:36:59 <pravins> jibecfed: i mean talking with other Translators and with Zanata members.
06:37:31 <jibecfed> still talking about translation of fedora.zanata yes ?
06:37:59 <pravins> nope, about overall list of all websites https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/List_of_Fedora_sites
06:38:18 <jibecfed> why not, but we have to create guidelines
06:38:50 <pravins> #info list of Fedora websites not translatable https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/List_of_Fedora_sites
06:39:01 <pravins> yeah and guidelines must be with Fedora Infra.
06:39:11 <pravins> and with Website team
06:39:26 <jibecfed> yep, tough work
06:39:50 <pravins> jibecfed: need to also discuss this with Fedora Website team.
06:40:26 <pravins> did you have any communication with Fedora Website team earlier?
06:40:42 <jibecfed> how do we do that (g11n+website+infra), we invite them on irc or mailing lists ?
06:41:05 <pravins> may be we should jump in there meeting ;) That is good approach
06:41:17 <pravins> create ticket and see when they are meeting. That will be quicker
06:41:19 <pravins> i think
06:41:25 <mtoh> If it helps, I'd be happy to assist here, but I would need some help of course to get the whole picture
06:42:20 <pravins> yes definitely.
06:42:23 <jibecfed> Ralph Bean told be he needed to talk about it and to plan it
06:42:49 <jibecfed> https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/issues/345#issuecomment-179283981
06:43:13 <jibecfed> mtoh:i'll make a mail on l10n list
06:43:36 <mtoh> jibecfed ok, thanks
06:43:45 <jibecfed> with everything embedded, so you can jump in
06:44:23 <mtoh> Great, thanks a lot
06:44:57 <pravins> jibecfed: yes make sense.
06:45:14 <pravins> #info jibecfed sending email on trans list with more details on Fedora website translation status
06:45:19 <pravins> thanks jibecfed :)
06:45:38 <pravins> Also i had chat with Ralph in DevConf about Infra script, he mentioned same thing.
06:45:51 <pravins> Scripts are internationalized and only submitting to Zanata is pending.
06:46:01 <pravins> I am planning meeting with Fedora Infra and Zanata for this.
06:46:25 <pravins> Topics to discuss are 1) FedBus and Zanata connections, so l10n people can get badges
06:46:42 <pravins> 2) Zanata FAS id login issues and  3) if any other topics
06:46:59 <pravins> i will announce meeting on mailing list, so all interested members can join.
06:47:03 <jibecfed> about 1) please make the level lower
06:47:28 <pravins> level lower means?
06:47:38 <jibecfed> they discussed to make 500 000 lines of translation to get the best badge, this is not possible
06:48:26 <pravins> jibecfed: good point. Yeah, Remy mentioned he wanted to discuss it with Translation team, so we can suggest level's for it.
06:48:29 <jibecfed> you make 1000 in a few hours, so 500 000 is out of reach if you're not doing technical copy/paste
06:49:04 <jibecfed> i remember posting on the trac ticket, you should see the discussion
06:50:03 <jibecfed> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/221
06:50:29 <pravins> thanks, i was searching for this ticket :)
06:50:35 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/221
06:51:29 <pravins> jibecfed: sure, will discuss on this ticket as well.
06:51:38 <pravins> Less time remaining lets move to next topic
06:51:56 <pravins> #topic #60: Fedora 24 Test day planning
06:51:57 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/60
06:53:16 <pravins> We had few discussion regarding date in FAD. But number of things changed now
06:55:09 <pravins> Recently FLTG proposed date for L10N translation.
06:55:34 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/480
06:55:54 <pravins> 29th March is test day for L10N
06:56:33 <jibecfed> what's the global process of FLTG ? we download alpha, we test translations, we submit bugs about missing translation, we translate, the package is pushed again ?
06:57:04 <pravins> jibecfed: normally QA provide snapshot with Translations for testing.
06:57:24 <pravins> yes, this is the process generally
06:57:31 <tagoh_> thought the initial plan was scheduled against the release schedule to have a testing efficiently. so how about adjust the plan from current release schedule then?
06:58:15 <pravins> yeah, that make sense
06:59:19 <pravins> tagoh_: so one week before Beta Freeze?
06:59:53 <pravins> i am more concerned for Glibc Subpackaging change. Somehow should ask more people to test it in Alpha itself
07:00:12 <juhp> we could do a separate testday if needed?
07:00:22 <pravins> good point
07:00:29 <pravins> We must do it.
07:00:38 <tagoh_> sounds good to me
07:00:58 <juhp> maybe including the langpacks too
07:01:00 <pravins> #idea Separate testday for Glibc locale subpackaging
07:01:10 <pravins> juhp++
07:01:17 <juhp> but glibc is critical i guess
07:01:40 <mfabian> juhp: Yes, it is a bit scary.
07:01:51 <juhp> wonder if latest rawhide anaconda supports langpacks already?
07:02:16 <pravins> Alpha freeze is on 2016-03-08
07:02:17 <jibecfed> are the contributors the same ones to test of glibc and langpacks ?
07:02:18 <juhp> but I think we need to land the glibc change first
07:03:13 <juhp> so maybe focusing primarily on glibc sense - other langpacks can probably be fixed later anyway
07:03:22 <juhp> *makes sense
07:03:46 <pravins> jibecfed: nope, it should be open for all.
07:03:47 <juhp> just thought we could combine the two
07:04:22 <jibecfed> juhp: +1
07:04:23 <paragan> jibecfed, any Fedora user who like to use Fedora in non-English language can be a candidate to test glibc and langpacks
07:05:00 <jibecfed> you're the expert, but I think one global test day is better
07:05:24 <jibecfed> for communication/coordination
07:05:46 <juhp> we could call it the glibc locale test day or something
07:06:03 <pravins> yeah, we will definitely have global i18n test day, it used to be after Alpha.
07:06:21 <pravins> yes, will call it Glibc locale test day.
07:06:44 <pravins> mfabian: do mentioned to carlos, we are planning for test day, once we are committing change to Fedora.
07:07:00 * anish_ leaves, will join afterwards
07:07:18 <pravins> #info Planning for test day specifically to test Glibc Locale sub packaging change.
07:07:32 <mfabian> pravins: OK!
07:07:35 <pravins> agina coming back to global i18n test day :)
07:07:45 <pravins> Which date should we select.
07:07:52 <juhp> yeah we could do the rest of the langpack testing there
07:08:08 <pravins> Somehow i think will be nice if FLTG do more participation in i18n test day planning as well :)
07:08:28 <juhp> more testing would certainly be welcome
07:08:36 <pravins> indeed
07:09:06 <pravins> in FAD we decided i18n test day date, 1 week before Beta Freeze
07:09:14 <juhp> is one week before Beta good?
07:09:52 <pravins> 2016-04-19 is Beta Freeze
07:10:35 <pravins> 19 is Tuesday
07:10:49 <pravins> juhp: yeah, i think 1 week before Beta Freeze is good.
07:11:03 <jibecfed> saturday are better for group work ;)
07:11:21 <pravins> :)
07:11:45 <juhp> we could try
07:11:48 <pravins> Normally we keep testing open for whole week.
07:11:52 <juhp> right
07:12:07 <pravins> Lets move this topic to mailing list. with this discussion
07:12:19 <pravins> already more than regular time :(
07:12:33 <pravins> #info moving i18n test day planning discussion to mailing list.
07:12:42 <pravins> next topic
07:12:43 <pravins> #info #61: FTBFS bugs for Rawhide (pravins)
07:12:43 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/61
07:13:25 <pravins> All bug list available here https://goo.gl/5jephk
07:14:01 <pravins> Only 7 bugs are there from i18n side.
07:14:08 <pravins> .bug 1307493
07:14:09 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1307493 fbterm: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1307493
07:14:14 <pravins> .bug 1307714
07:14:15 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1307714 libUnihan: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1307714
07:14:20 <pravins> .bug 1308109
07:14:22 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308109 sazanami-fonts: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308109
07:14:26 <pravins> .bug 1308114
07:14:27 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308114 scholarsfonts-cardo-fonts: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308114
07:14:31 <pravins> .bug 1308190
07:14:33 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308190 tomoe-gtk: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308190
07:14:37 <pravins> .bug 1308194
07:14:38 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308194 translate-toolkit: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308194
07:14:44 <pravins> .bug 1308197
07:14:45 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308197 ttmkfdir: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308197
07:14:54 <pravins> Lets track this again in next meeting.
07:15:03 <pravins> one bug pending on me too ;)
07:15:16 <pravins> Here we are moving to last topic
07:15:17 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
07:15:43 <pravins> If we missed any important topic/news please mention it.
07:17:00 <pravins> in between Videos of my talks @ DevConf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEHa0nDjJvg
07:17:13 <pravins> closing in couple of minutes
07:18:33 <jibecfed> fiy, mail about fedora sites was sent one min ago on trans@list
07:19:04 <pravins> thanks jibecfed :)
07:19:16 <pravins> Thanks all for meeting.
07:19:20 <pravins> #endmeeting