06:00:55 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n (i18n)
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06:00:55 <pravins> #meetingname g11n (i18n)
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06:01:02 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:01:02 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-03-02
06:01:06 <mfabian> Hi!
06:01:15 <epico> hi
06:01:25 <pravins> hi mfabian, jibecfed and epico :)
06:01:33 <pravins> #chair mfabian epico jibecfed
06:01:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico jibecfed mfabian pravins
06:01:36 <fujiwarat> hi
06:01:59 <pravins> hi fujiwarat :)
06:02:03 <pravins> #chair fujiwarat
06:02:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat jibecfed mfabian pravins
06:02:27 <pravins> While other joins
06:02:34 <pravins> If you have seen https://budget.stg.fedoraproject.org stage is ready now.
06:03:03 <pravins> Soon we will have much transparent Fedora budget process.
06:03:20 <suanand> Hi
06:03:21 <tagoh_> hi
06:03:21 <jibecfed> * add one more website to the list ...
06:03:31 <paragan> hi
06:03:48 <pravins> hi suanand tagoh_ and paragan :)
06:03:53 <pravins> #chair suanand tagoh_ paragan
06:03:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat jibecfed mfabian paragan pravins suanand tagoh_
06:04:05 <pravins> jibecfed: sure, lets discuss in Enhancement ticket.
06:04:13 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:04:13 <pravins> #info 2016-02-23 	Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F25)
06:04:13 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 	Alpha Freeze (*)
06:04:13 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 	Software String Freeze
06:04:13 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 	Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
06:04:14 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 	Bodhi activation point
06:04:16 <pravins> #info 2016-03-22 	Alpha Release
06:04:34 <pravins> Less than one week for Alpha Freeze.
06:05:40 <pravins> If any improvements are planned good to push before Alpha freeze.
06:05:52 <pravins> moving to next topic
06:05:53 <pravins> #topic #57: Fedora 24 change planning
06:05:53 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57
06:06:00 <pravins> I think we are doing good for this.
06:06:16 <pravins> lets go through individual change again.
06:06:54 <pravins> * Glibc_locale_subpackaging ( mfabian )
06:07:41 <pravins> Cheers, its now available in F24+
06:08:14 <pravins> #info Bit late though: Glibc locale subpackages has been pushed in F24+
06:09:18 <pravins> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/K56XYH5AK4SBFQD36IFS2KDWUN2NY44E/
06:09:47 <pravins> * ibus-fbterm_enhancement_for_ibus_1.5 ( fujiwarat )
06:10:36 <pravins> its also done as mentioned by fujiwarat in last meeting
06:10:47 <pravins> * LangpacksInstallationWithRPMWeakDependencies
06:10:56 <pravins> * LangpacksInstallationWithRPMWeakDependencies ( paragan )
06:12:12 <paragan> implementation is going on
06:12:22 <paragan> but major applications have been updated
06:12:44 <pravins> paragan: great.
06:13:00 <paragan> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Langpacks/WeakdepsImplementation
06:13:01 <pravins> please lets know if any concern for any changes
06:13:40 <mfabian> is “dnf-langpacks” now obsolete?
06:13:59 <paragan> no I am not going to do that
06:14:04 <paragan> its different thing
06:14:23 <mfabian> So “dnf-langpacks” will still be used for something different.
06:14:43 <pravins> in long term any plan?
06:15:01 <paragan> yes long term plan I can retire it in F25+
06:15:13 <paragan> but I still like the commands langavailable, langinfo
06:15:26 <pravins> good point !!
06:15:30 <paragan> thought there is alternative way to for langavialbale
06:15:44 <paragan> I have not got yet update for langinfo from dnf developers
06:15:46 <paragan> bug is open
06:15:53 <paragan> looks like its going to take some time
06:16:13 <jibecfed> paragan, may we add this bug to WeakdepsImplementation list ? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1294520
06:16:20 <paragan> when I will find replacement commands for langpacks plugins commands I will happily retire dnf-langpacks plugin
06:17:16 <paragan> jibecfed, how can this bug be related to langpacks?
06:17:18 <juhp> hi
06:17:29 <paragan> texlive was never on langpacks list
06:17:56 <pravins> #info dnf-langpacks will be available with LangpacksInstallationWithRPMWeakDependencie for F24, plan to retire dnf-langpacks by F25+..
06:17:57 <jibecfed> paragan, it's missing depedencies that are only locale related
06:18:18 <paragan> yeah so that can be normal packaging bug
06:18:26 <juhp> .bug 1294520
06:18:27 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 1294520 Latexila add missing "lettre" depedency - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1294520
06:18:38 <paragan> not related to weakdeps
06:19:01 <jibecfed> i was pretty sure it was
06:19:39 <jibecfed> we'll discussed by mail, no worries
06:19:46 <paragan> okay
06:20:50 * pravins raised needinfo from package owner.
06:21:15 <pravins> #topic #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release
06:21:19 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58
06:21:54 <pravins> jibecfed: i think, we should now move things not happening in F24 to F25 or future plans page.
06:22:11 <jibecfed> yep
06:22:11 <pravins> Basically good to have clear picture on whats happening in Fedora 24.
06:22:39 <jibecfed> some improvments, but not on all subjects
06:22:51 <jibecfed> I'm worried about fedora hubs
06:22:56 <pravins> true, i think discussion started that is good improvement :)
06:23:07 <pravins> aha, why?
06:23:39 <jibecfed> fedora-hubs start to be discussed about, but nothing is said about translation
06:24:03 <jibecfed> and I feel like it is also heavily connected to fedmenu/fedmsg-notify/fedbus
06:24:29 <jibecfed> I did a ticket to ask about it, no responses yet, i'll go to mailing list
06:24:31 <pravins> Council is keen to launch it by Aug i.e. by flock.
06:25:06 <pravins> jibecfed: i think if we can get some development plan for fedora-hubs we can ask to schedule some slot for translations and i18n side.
06:25:38 <pravins> From i18n side. Still not very good picture on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements
06:25:50 <pravins> I still dont know, how to improve it :(
06:26:11 <pravins> May be should go through bugzilla list and see if i can find anything.
06:27:03 <jibecfed> to end with that subject, I noticed https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2016-bc5e75f735
06:27:07 <pravins> #info Not very good picture of i18n on G11N enhancement for Fedora 24 page.
06:27:14 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements
06:27:31 <jibecfed> it looks like badges are slowly comming
06:28:27 <pravins> jibecfed: yeah but difficult to get for F24, since next Zanata deployment planned in April-May
06:28:31 <pravins> but its moving ahead.
06:28:42 <pravins> thanks for information :)
06:28:45 <pravins> moving to next topic.
06:28:54 <pravins> #topic #60: Fedora 24 Test day planning
06:28:55 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/60
06:29:15 <pravins> In last meeting we discussed on Test day specifically for Glibc local subpackaging
06:29:58 <pravins> pre-requisite was getting packages pushed in Fedora 24 and rawhide.
06:30:09 <pravins> mfabian juhp this is done now.
06:30:17 <pravins> Good to schedule test day now?
06:30:49 <pravins> aha, also wanted to ping Satya ani regarding can FLTG help into i18n test days.
06:31:25 <ani> pravins, sure. FLTG can of course take care of i18n test days too :)
06:32:07 <ani> we were helping before by providing feedback etc. We can coordinate and take care of the test days like l10n test days
06:32:16 <Satya> pravins, sure, for i18n test day, i am there
06:32:34 <pravins> ani: Satya nice.
06:32:48 <pravins> Its good to have all test days with collaboration of FLTG.
06:33:06 <pravins> We can sync up few things like.. badges, articles. As discussed in earlier meeting.
06:33:28 <ani> yes agree totally
06:33:45 <Satya> agree absolutely
06:34:28 <pravins> so open things are.
06:34:42 <pravins> 1. Date for Glibc local sub-packaging test days.
06:35:55 <pravins> 2. Date for i18n test day, as planned in G11N FAD. one week before Beta Freeze. That is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule
06:36:35 <pravins> 2016/04/12
06:37:17 <pravins> Lets move this topic to mailing list.
06:37:33 <pravins> Also i feel we should invest more time on testing Fedora Atomic as well.
06:37:47 <pravins> Its in active development and looks right time to understand requirements.
06:38:31 <pravins> moving to next topic
06:38:33 <pravins> #topic #61: FTBFS bugs for Rawhide
06:38:33 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/61
06:38:43 <pravins> Following bugs are still pending
06:38:54 <pravins> .bug 1307493
06:38:55 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1307493 fbterm: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1307493
06:39:08 <pravins> owner: lbazan
06:39:16 <pravins> .bug 1307714
06:39:19 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1307714 libUnihan: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1307714
06:39:37 <pravins> owner: dchen
06:39:44 <pravins> .bug 1308190
06:39:45 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308190 tomoe-gtk: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308190
06:39:52 <pravins> owner: dchen
06:40:00 <pravins> .bug 1308109
06:40:01 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308109 sazanami-fonts: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308109
06:40:21 <pravins> This is blocked by fontools bugs - owner tagoh_
06:40:29 <pravins> .bug 1308194
06:40:30 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308194 translate-toolkit: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308194
06:40:52 <pravins> owner : dwayne
06:41:42 <pravins> If owners not has time, may be someone provide patch.
06:42:41 <pravins> #topic #59: tracking of translation string changes
06:42:41 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/59
06:43:05 <suanand> pravins, planning some webapp development - in progress
06:43:12 <pravins> suanand: excellent.
06:43:19 <tagoh_> pravins: right. that is actually not a new. waiting for a fix in fonttools since f23 timeframe.
06:44:03 <pravins> tagoh_: sure, no problem. :)
06:44:36 <pravins> i will help with testing.
06:45:39 <pravins> moving to last topic.
06:45:43 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
06:46:23 <pravins> lets wait here for couple of minutes, if we missed any point..
06:48:49 <jibecfed> anyone has advice about the websites & tools guidelines ?
06:49:33 <pravins> you mean workflow, right?
06:49:36 <jibecfed> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ELNBWFI2L7I6MJP5KM4OHD5EYDWR2ECC/
06:50:29 <jibecfed> it includes workflow, but it's mainly : what do we translate in fedora tools and websites
06:51:02 <jibecfed> to make some simple rules, because it doesn't exist yet
06:51:05 <pravins> hmm, still no clear answer/idea.
06:51:35 <jibecfed> does guidelines exists for other subjects ?
06:51:37 <pravins> We need to work with Website team for this. Did you had any communication with them?
06:52:17 <jibecfed> not yet
06:52:34 <jibecfed> but I should also discuss with infra team
06:52:47 <pravins> yeah, threebean can help with some pointers.
06:53:00 <jibecfed> because the list of website can't stay for ever on the wiki, it's not sufficient
06:53:02 <pravins> But agree with you, there should be some guidelines. Both at Fedora Website and Fedora Trans side.
06:53:36 <pravins> its like, some trigger should be there who can check i18n and trans status of new webpage
06:53:41 <pravins> and website
06:54:29 <pravins> jibecfed: lets take this topic again in next weeks Translation meeting.
06:54:44 <jibecfed> yep, i'll contact them today
06:54:55 <pravins> jibecfed++
06:55:21 <pravins> thanks everyone for meeting.
06:55:33 <pravins> lets communicate more on mailing list in this active development period :)
06:55:38 <pravins> #endmeeting