05:00:16 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n 05:00:16 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 15 05:00:16 2015 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:00:16 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:00:27 <juhp> hi 05:00:39 <paragan> hi 05:00:41 <pravins> #meetingname G11N FAD schedule 05:00:41 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n_fad_schedule' 05:00:49 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call 05:00:53 <pravins> hi juhp paragan :) 05:01:20 <pravins> today we have to discuss second day schedule and it involved lots of hackathon topic, so involvement from all required. 05:01:26 <pravins> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit#heading=h.zaws8k5zbj65 05:01:39 <pravins> draft schedule available in above link. 05:01:51 <pravins> #chair juhp paragan 05:01:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp paragan pravins 05:03:06 <pravins> anyone else around? tagoh_ fujiwarat noriko aeng ueno fujiwarat camunoz epico 05:03:13 <tagoh_> hi 05:03:20 <fujiwarat> hi 05:03:22 <noriko> yes 05:03:30 <pravins> nice. 05:03:35 <pravins> hi tagoh_ fujiwarat noriko :) 05:03:35 <aeng> here 05:03:42 <pravins> #chair tagoh_ fujiwarat noriko aeng 05:03:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng fujiwarat juhp noriko paragan pravins tagoh_ 05:03:51 <pravins> hi aeng :) 05:03:56 <mkim> ㅗㅑ 05:03:58 <pravins> ok lets see first topic. 05:03:58 <mkim> hi 05:04:14 <pravins> hi mkim :) 05:04:19 <pravins> #topic first day schedule 05:04:30 <pravins> We completed first day schedule in last weeks meeting. 05:04:38 <pravins> its available on https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit# 05:04:58 <pravins> just added to topic, if there is any query, since few members were not present in last meeting. 05:05:02 <pravins> any query? 05:05:48 <tagoh_> btw should we add a meeting time outside the building due to the security reason? 05:06:14 <juhp> I guess so 05:06:26 <pravins> yeah. 05:06:48 <pravins> tagoh_: so where at what time? 05:07:12 <tagoh_> thought we agreed to meet at the station? 05:08:06 <aeng> need to put time 05:08:10 <pravins> yeah, station is fine. since few people were travelling. 05:08:14 <juhp> 09:30? 05:08:20 <tagoh_> sounds good 05:08:22 <mkim> just wondering is there any main contact number or person on the first day? 05:08:23 <pravins> +1 05:08:23 <aeng> yup 05:08:31 <aeng> yeah.. just in case late 05:08:48 <juhp> probably we could send out the final details to participants by email I think 05:08:54 <aeng> can we get temporary pass for the building? 05:08:56 <juhp> aeng, right 05:08:56 <noriko> tagoh san's mobile? mkim 05:09:12 <noriko> if tagoh_ san agree ;p 05:09:13 <juhp> and mine 05:09:14 <tagoh_> aeng: guess not 05:09:41 <tagoh_> noriko: no problem 05:09:55 <mkim> thanks1 05:10:04 <aeng> hmm.. so station@9.30? or outside building ? 05:10:13 <juhp> station I think 05:10:14 <pravins> aeng: station. 05:10:17 <noriko> thank you tagoh_ san juhp san 05:10:21 <aeng> ok 05:10:24 <mkim> is it sibuya station? 05:10:28 <juhp> no 05:10:35 <juhp> JR Ebisu Station 05:10:37 <noriko> yeah, station is better. 05:10:48 <juhp> upstairs exit 05:10:50 <mkim> any particular exit number? 05:11:10 <tagoh_> East exit 05:11:21 <aeng> great.. im bad with direction 05:11:32 <juhp> shall we put all the details into an email nearer the time I think 05:11:34 <mkim> so 9:30 am Ebisu Station, East Exit upstairs 05:11:38 <mkim> got it 05:11:42 <juhp> aeng, just go up not down :) 05:11:46 <aeng> lol 05:11:50 <juhp> seriously 05:11:52 <pravins> #agreed First day meet 9:30am At JR Ebisu Station East exit. 05:12:06 <juhp> downstairs leads to the West exit 05:12:11 <tagoh_> right 05:12:37 <pravins> #info juhp and tagoh_ contact number will be provided later on email case any one miss. 05:12:39 <juhp> there are a lot of shops above the station 05:13:18 <aeng> should be fine... 05:13:26 <pravins> Yeah, we will send email with more detail. 05:13:35 <aeng> yup. Tahnks pravins 05:13:40 <pravins> coming back to main topic :) 05:13:47 <tagoh_> there are only two exists. so shouldn't be puzzled. 05:13:50 <pravins> Any queries on first day schedule 05:13:52 <tagoh_> exits even 05:13:52 <pravins> ? 05:15:23 <epico> hi 05:15:31 <pravins> hi epico :) 05:15:34 <pravins> #chair epico 05:15:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng epico fujiwarat juhp noriko paragan pravins tagoh_ 05:16:35 <apeter> hi guys 05:16:45 <pravins> hi apeter :) 05:16:52 <apeter> hi pravins :) 05:16:54 <juhp> I added basic details about the meeting points (for Sun and Tue) on the agenda doc 05:17:02 <juhp> more precise details to follow 05:17:16 <pravins> first day schedule looks good to me. 05:17:21 <pravins> hoping same with others. 05:17:23 <juhp> (Mon we should be able to just meet inside on the 5th floor) 05:17:35 <pravins> moving to next day schedule. 05:18:08 <pravins> #topic 2nd day (Mon) Schedule 05:18:48 <juhp> just one thing about Monday - unfortunately we have to vacate the meeting-room for 1.5 hours in the afternoon since Red Hat needs the room for an internal meeting 05:19:09 <pravins> juhp: at what time exactly? 05:19:51 <juhp> and no other large room is unavailable it seems (I'll recheck if multiple smaller rooms could be used) except the common room which is quite large but little seating 05:20:04 <juhp> pravins, 2:45-16:15 05:20:09 <juhp> pravins, 14:45-16:15 05:20:24 <pravins> aha, we can schedule break during same time 05:20:52 <juhp> so some of us may have to stand around discussing etc in that break-room, which i booked for us 05:20:53 <pravins> so maybe break at 14:30 for changing room. 05:21:08 <juhp> yeah it is next door... 05:21:12 <juhp> very cloes 05:21:14 <juhp> close 05:21:45 <pravins> in that case, no need to schedule 15 min break. 05:21:51 <pravins> just we can move with laptops 05:22:02 <juhp> yep 05:22:25 <juhp> it will be a long "break"^W - well change of room/air :) 05:23:06 <pravins> :) 05:23:30 <pravins> Second day - First topic we dont have any option. Since we have to accommodate Time Zone changes with FPL. 05:23:52 <pravins> so lets start working on next slot i.e. 11-13 05:24:35 <juhp> I think we should discuss which projects we plan to work on that day 05:24:44 <pravins> yeah. 05:24:53 <juhp> I hope most people could focus or 1 or 2 the whole day 05:25:00 <juhp> s/or/on 05:25:16 <pravins> hackathon list is very big :) 05:25:54 <pravins> can all please provide me list of topics, they want to work on during hackthon from list? 05:26:04 <pravins> so, we can add it in schedule 05:26:18 <apeter> we once made a list right pravins ? 05:26:36 <apeter> thought we had it. :) 05:26:47 <pravins> apeter: its in same document 3rd page. 05:26:58 <juhp> should we invert the table or maybe add a new one under the schedule section listing each person 05:27:00 <apeter> hahaha.. forgot to scroll 05:27:02 <apeter> exactly 05:27:03 <apeter> :) 05:27:19 <juhp> and what they want to work on? 05:27:36 <juhp> s/table/list/ 05:27:53 <noriko> be careful one person can't be split into two session X-D 05:28:08 <juhp> I think that will help to picture what things people are going to focus on 05:28:36 <apeter> yes agree 05:28:39 <pravins> noriko: :) 05:28:53 <juhp> I am not sure yet if we need to schedule anything for Day 2 - I kind think it should be self-organizing 05:29:18 <pravins> juhp: it can be self organized but at least we should add topic we are covering. or planning to work. 05:29:21 <juhp> but it would be great to have a picture/some idea of what people are planning to do 05:29:38 <pravins> yes, exactly 05:29:42 <juhp> yeah hence my suggestion of a table with people in first column 05:29:49 <pravins> and same time we are 15+ members 05:30:11 <pravins> this is time where we need parallel groups 05:30:17 <juhp> right 05:31:09 <pravins> should we make one more small table for hackathon? or split column in same table. 05:31:13 <juhp> so only thing is some people might want to work in two particular projects that day say - eg maybe some of the l10n people for example - and there it would be useful to schedule sessions to avoid clashes 05:31:22 <noriko> Yes, it is better we can know what sessions are running when and where, so that any interested ppl can join? 05:31:35 <apeter> yup 05:31:37 <juhp> i think starting with a separate table would be easier overall 05:31:47 <tagoh_> +1 05:32:01 <pravins> may be just add more row there? 05:32:02 <juhp> noriko, most projects may just run the whole day 05:32:06 <pravins> aha nice. 05:32:14 <noriko> juhp, oh, really?! 05:32:51 <noriko> but juhp I see you here and there, many places. how come you can join? 05:33:53 <pravins> noriko: yeah, that is going to be tricky but if we have one lead for each hackathon, there other members can move in between 05:34:05 <pravins> s/there/then 05:34:12 <juhp> noriko, that was show of interest 05:34:32 <juhp> idea was today to get closer to real plans - I probably can't do all of those :) 05:34:33 <pravins> juhp: one more column, time? 05:34:51 <pravins> time and day 05:35:05 <apeter> lets create a table and see how it goes 05:35:10 <juhp> I thought for Mon 05:35:14 <juhp> yes 05:35:30 <noriko> yes, sounds nice. 05:35:52 <juhp> I think we need to see the basic list first and then decide if we need more structure/scheduling 05:36:15 <aeng> yup 05:36:18 <pravins> sure. 05:36:27 <noriko> i'd say it would be nice to make time frame rather than running all day, so that we can ask key persons to join. 05:36:48 <juhp> but maybe nice to have a barcamp schedule board with slots that people can just book times 05:37:20 <noriko> with room-name, maybe? 05:37:29 <juhp> there is only one big room 05:37:37 <apeter> and we sit in groups 05:37:49 <apeter> so its easy to jump around too ;) 05:37:51 <juhp> the room is large enough for > 50 people 05:37:59 <noriko> oh, c... easier to move around :-D 05:38:04 <apeter> :) 05:38:12 <juhp> right 05:38:19 <juhp> free movement 05:38:26 <noriko> hahaha 05:38:55 <apeter> :D 05:39:12 <juhp> erm so you're listing projects not people... 05:39:16 <juhp> anyway 05:39:36 * juhp will just let the self-organization happen :) 05:39:51 <apeter> yeah lets list the projects and leave column for people. they can add their names :) 05:40:06 <juhp> but pravins we already had that list... 05:40:23 <juhp> apeter, right I was planning the opposite 05:40:40 <pravins> juhp: but i think we are not going to cover all? 05:40:51 <apeter> :) 05:40:58 <juhp> right hence asking each person what they want to do 05:41:13 <juhp> anyway it is fine I guess 05:41:18 <pravins> yeah, i added mine stuff :) 05:42:49 <pravins> let me ping all again. 05:43:30 <pravins> aeng fujiwarat juhp noriko paragan pravins tagoh_ mkim please add topic you are interested in working and collaborating in table https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit# 05:43:33 <mkim> is there any timeslot for each topics? so that we can schedule which topic to attend first and next? For example, Hackathon session 1 11:00-13:00, and second sessions etc? 05:43:51 <mkim> will all the topics be on at the same time all day? 05:44:14 <pravins> mkim: no, we should ideally schedule/plan. As you said. 05:44:23 <juhp> mkim, you can add a time if you want on the right column 05:44:37 <noriko> pravins, do you mean sessions, right? 05:44:48 <noriko> I'v already added my self there. 05:44:58 <mkim> yeah it might be good for Hackathon project leads to put the time slots? 05:45:11 <mkim> so that participants can put the names down for multiple sessions without conflicts 05:45:46 <pravins> +1 05:45:56 <juhp> or should we make a barcamp-style schedule table? 05:46:16 * juhp is not sure if everyone knows about barcamp 05:46:41 <pravins> juhp: yeah, it will help. 05:46:53 <juhp> then we just need to make some virtual rooms (spaces) 05:46:54 <pravins> so one time slot and hackathon topics happening parallel. 05:47:19 <juhp> 4 "large rooms" enough? 05:47:19 <pravins> i see number of hackathon's can happen parallel. 05:47:48 <pravins> yeah, 4 is good for now. May be we need to remove one if required. 05:47:50 <juhp> no group is forced to use the rooms though? 05:48:10 <juhp> so we might still lose info on what everyone will do 05:48:22 <juhp> (hence why I wanted to individual list...) 05:49:16 <pravins> its big room so we can simply divide groups in different corner ;) 05:50:41 <juhp> hmm I see I inserted the tables in the wrong place nm... 05:50:41 <noriko> pravins, if loosely scheduled time slot may help people move around? 05:51:48 <pravins> yes 05:52:13 <apeter> yup 05:53:52 <juhp> (fixed) 05:54:17 <pravins> juhp: thanks :) me changing little bit 05:56:43 <pravins> looks nice, now we can easily identify conflict if one person involve in 2 topics at same time. 05:56:47 <pravins> specifically lead 05:59:13 <apeter> true (y) 06:00:05 * juhp supposes lead will report on final day in the "lightning presentations" 06:01:35 <pravins> juhp: yes 06:02:07 <juhp> how many are we? 06:02:22 <pravins> me 06:02:32 <pravins> I think we can have few more topic during same slot 06:02:34 <juhp> in total I mean 06:02:41 <pravins> 15+ 06:03:01 <pravins> Anish and Sundeep Z-P-Client can happen parallel in first session 06:07:41 <juhp> I would like each/all person also individually to fill out the individual planned project list below to get a better overall picture of what everyone is planning to do there 06:07:58 * pravins liked the idea of table :) 06:08:08 <juhp> pravins, early perhaps for Sundeep... 06:08:51 <pravins> yeah, may be second half is good. 06:09:15 <juhp> not sure if we need to schedule everything - but at potential clashes yes 06:09:39 <juhp> people should be able to grab space/time when they want 06:09:51 <juhp> s/at/at least/ 06:10:29 <pravins> yeah, flexibility is required but i think lead will manage it. 06:11:46 <juhp> everyone should be able to edit now 06:12:00 <juhp> if you can't then please refresh 06:12:12 <juhp> sorry it was on comment for non-shared people before 06:12:37 <juhp> not sure if we need leads either everywhere :) 06:14:53 <juhp> mkim, noriko ^ 06:15:00 <juhp> about edit 06:16:54 <pravins> so, now adding topic and scheduling hackathon, goes back to attendees item. 06:17:12 <pravins> should we simply drop an email for it? and revisit on Wed? 06:17:28 <pravins> any other things for second day schedule? 06:19:47 <epico> list interested hackathon in Projects? 06:20:26 <pravins> yes. 06:20:34 <epico> okay, do it now. :) 06:21:33 <pravins> schedule looks nice to me now. Clean and clear !! 06:21:40 <paragan> cool 06:21:57 <pravins> just one need to grab hackathon slots to avoid clashes in interested topics. 06:22:03 <pravins> even if not that is fine. 06:26:15 <pravins> #action All attendees please add your interested hackathon projects in schedule page. 06:28:42 <aeng> guys, need to go offline now.. i will be looking at the doc tonight. Thanks pravins for organising this 06:29:44 <pravins> aeng: no problem. 06:30:51 <pravins> schedule looks good now. 06:31:03 <pravins> #topic Open Floor 06:31:29 <pravins> did we missed anything? else will close in couple of minutes 06:33:08 <juhp> I guess still time but need to think about lunch arrangements too I guess soon 06:33:28 <juhp> also I think we will have a FAD dinner one night 06:33:38 <pravins> juhp: yeah, we have some budget available for that. 06:33:53 <juhp> perhaps we can take that next week 06:33:55 <tagoh_> I can help for them. just need how much budget we have at the end. 06:33:57 <pravins> Need to work with you offline on budget before final work on that. 06:34:01 <juhp> tagoh_, great! 06:34:08 <juhp> yes 06:34:12 <pravins> tagoh_: nice. Lets decide this in Wed. then. 06:35:04 <pravins> thanks all for meeting closing now. We will have much better picture in coming Wed. meeting. 06:35:09 <pravins> #endmeeting