02:21:25 #startmeeting 02:21:25 Meeting started Fri Aug 17 02:21:25 2012 UTC. The chair is johnmark. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:21:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:21:29 ok! 02:21:55 #link http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/QuickStart 02:22:10 #link http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/HowTos 02:22:20 #topic web site software foo 02:22:41 #char Technicool 02:22:45 #chair Technicool 02:22:46 Current chairs: Technicool johnmark 02:22:49 yes! 02:22:52 he lives! 02:22:57 lookit the big brains on brad 02:23:23 bravo 02:23:40 ok - do currently we have the following things installed on the web site: 02:24:05 on gluster.org: wordpress (front end), mediawiki (docs collaboration), mailman (mailing lists) 02:24:39 big question: does this serve the community as well as it can? 02:24:43 and are there alternatives? 02:25:02 oh, and the hosted service at http://community.gluster.org 02:25:56 Wordpress was being a problem for a while with it's infinite redirect problem, but I haven't seen that in a while. 02:26:14 JoeJulian: yeah, that was a caching issue which I *think* has been resolved 02:26:53 #info on gluster.org: wordpress (front end), mediawiki (docs collaboration), mailman and hosted service at community.gluster.org 02:26:55 wordpress advantages, its widely used and can be picked up quickly by just about anyone 02:26:55 So it seems to be "good enough". It's working so I'm not strong on fixing it. 02:27:02 JoeJulian: ok 02:27:09 what about community.gluster.org? 02:27:22 there are some self-hosted alternatives, if we want to get into that 02:27:23 That isn't working for me, but I'm just one guy. 02:27:32 JoeJulian: yeah, I think several would agree with that 02:27:38 And we're trying to be open-source proponents. 02:27:48 correct 02:27:57 drawbacks would be more maintenance required that you might want for driving a community site, and functionality/plugins seem to sprawl 02:28:11 so for alternatives, there's OSQA (django-python framework) and... 02:28:19 Technicool: true 02:28:30 Technicool: wait, drawbacks for what? 02:28:39 the c.g.o? 02:28:42 for wordpress 02:28:43 or wordpress? 02:28:45 ah! ok 02:29:15 for the community.gluster.org site, my feeling is that it does not make finding information intuitive enough 02:29:23 I like the django based, and if we did want to leave wordpress we could still do Mezzanine. They would then integrate better since it's also Django based. 02:29:24 Technicool: agreed 02:29:31 hrm 02:29:45 i love the idea of it, but it can be difficult to find what you are looking ofr 02:29:50 ^ofr^for 02:29:52 last time I tried mezzanine, or anything django-based, it wasn't exactly easy to setup and maintain 02:30:03 that was, admittedly, over 2 years ago 02:30:29 Ah, yes. Mezzanine has been under active development. 1.0 was only released a couple months ago. 02:30:35 JoeJulian: ah, ok 02:30:54 so, one thing at a time. there's another Q&A alternative I'm trying to remember 02:31:02 Plus... I'm building a wordpress compatible api for it so you can use wordpress mobile apps with it. 02:31:05 I'd replace the Q&A piece first, and then look at other things 02:31:11 JoeJulian: interesting! 02:31:34 openqa or openqna or something like that... 02:31:52 osqa 02:32:02 shapado? http://shapado.com/ 02:32:07 there's osqa, yes 02:32:15 and I think shapado is the other commonly used one 02:33:09 #info alternatives to c.g.o OSQA http://www.osqa.net/ and shapado http://shapado.com/ 02:33:22 JoeJulian: want to give osqa a twirl? 02:33:39 Not really, I didn't like the looks or feature set very well. 02:33:48 Shapado does look better already. 02:34:26 their marketing guys got me...i saw the smartphone next to it and thought "well, this must be good" 02:34:40 Yeah, me too. 02:34:43 haha :) 02:34:43 shapado guys 02:34:52 http://gitorious.org/shapado 02:34:59 is the place to grab the code for self-hosting 02:35:12 I'll get that installed tomorrow. 02:35:22 JoeJulian: sweet 02:35:24 We can try it out. 02:35:32 #action JoeJulian to install shapado 02:36:05 JoeJulian: I'm hesitant to move off wordpress, because it's well-known, etc. 02:36:17 JoeJulian: but I'm open to being convinced 02:36:18 Sure 02:37:11 JoeJulian: so, as an example, seeing your site running mezzanine and not able to export specific tags as rss feeds was a turnoff :) 02:37:22 JoeJulian: although I understand you fixed that now :) 02:37:26 :D 02:37:50 anyway 02:38:12 I think that's step #2 after we move off of c.g.o. 02:38:22 because theyr'e going to start charging us soon :) 02:38:44 ok, and the wiki 02:38:49 there are alternatives to mediawiki 02:38:53 question is - are they worth it? 02:39:29 Despite some false positives, mediawiki seems to be manageable again. And, like your reasoning for wordpress, it's very well known. 02:39:37 for example, I use dekiwiki for a side project: http://www.geek-pac.org/ 02:39:40 mediawiki is a solid 7 out of 10, so alternatives will need to offer something nice 02:39:45 JoeJulian: agred 02:39:52 Technicool: yup. 02:39:56 agreed, even 02:40:43 here's the thing: if we want to offer collaborative project management stuff, a la sourceforge 02:40:51 is mediawiki going to let us do that? 02:41:21 because eventually, I want to give devs the ability to run projects on gluster.org 02:41:26 where "eventually" means later this year 02:41:56 Well, if we want to change to markdown and use git, then probably not. 02:42:38 #action johnmark to ask mojavelinux about project management software 02:42:59 I mean, it could be that we create the forge thing with a separate web app 02:43:13 and leave the wiki madness on its own 02:43:14 im scanning the mediawiki api to see if there are things built in already 02:43:21 Technicool: was wodnering teh same 02:43:35 mw is such a multi-headed beast it wouldn't surprise me 02:44:53 ok. that's all I got 02:45:04 #action jdarcy to update us next week on dev docs 02:45:47 In the spirit of markdown, I'm toying with trying to take the presentation I got from you and making an intro to gluster presentation in Showoff 02:45:48 https://github.com/schacon/showoff 02:45:58 there's also the issue of the pending migration of jenkins and gerritt to our own infrastructure 02:46:07 JoeJulian: nice! 02:46:14 yeah, I've seen showoff in action 02:46:20 It would be good to have some presentations that could be collaboratively worked on. 02:46:25 and that migration has been delayed, unfortunately 02:46:39 #action johnmark to provide update on migration away from iweb 02:46:53 JoeJulian: that would be excellent 02:47:18 #action JoeJulian to look at showoff and collaborative presos 02:47:38 anything else about gluster.org and our community that is wonky and could be much, much better? 02:47:41 Maybe I'll see if I can get http://gitlabhq.com/ installed too. 02:47:57 JoeJulian: as you wish 02:48:01 hehe 02:48:04 that will be a bonus :) 02:48:36 anything else? 02:48:39 Nothing else for this topic that I can think of. 02:48:40 Technicool: you down with this? 02:48:43 johnmark, there is the cosmetic issue of having multiple sites with different layouts, not a priority but something we should think about if we are looking at changing things up 02:49:02 Technicool: yes. the downside of using mediawiki with anything 02:49:15 Technicool: I think this is where we ask Garrett very nicely if he can help out 02:49:18 johnmark, i would love to see what alternatives we have to the existing infra that are open source 02:49:41 Technicool: you're pretty booked for the next week. I can take that on 02:49:54 long term, i think we will get more people involved if we have tools they are used to already 02:49:59 * johnmark misses semiosis 02:50:08 Technicool: true 02:50:26 On the other hand, we get more quality if there's a slight barrier to entry. 02:50:36 Technicool: there are lots of alternatives, just a question of usefulnes and, as you say, familiarity 02:50:41 haha! 02:50:50 * Technicool coughs *and something that can be done from a terminal* 02:50:57 You know, like when you have the question, "stripe". 02:50:58 so.. 02:51:17 johnmark, agreed 02:51:31 Technicool: one thing I've wanted to look at for the site is joomla 02:51:39 :/ 02:51:40 or drupal 02:51:44 :( 02:51:44 JoeJulian: haha 02:51:44 what is the other one....bitnami? 02:52:02 Technicool: bitnami is a software-stack installer 02:52:05 amazon loves bitnami, for sure 02:52:09 or software appliance maker 02:52:24 now it clicks 02:52:28 heh 02:52:29 I've gone through several and have never been an advocate for any of them before mez, just sayin. 02:52:33 JoeJulian: not a fan of PHP? 02:52:41 is anyone? 02:52:42 JoeJulian: gotcha, ok 02:52:43 oops 02:52:46 It gets pretty bloated. 02:53:05 JoeJulian: fair enough. 02:53:21 JoeJulian: what I'm thinking of is global community of devs and maintainers 02:53:40 hmm, they seem to want me to advocate for them as well 02:53:40 What took 2G to run Joomla/Apache reasonably quick I do now in 512 and it's 10x faster. 02:53:42 "An open source content management platform built using the Django framework" 02:53:45 JoeJulian: but I know that django-based stuff has picked up steam. I just don't know how much 02:53:53 wow, ok 02:54:58 ill gawk at this for a bit, but mezz looks like a great alternative to at least investigate 02:55:02 JoeJulian: if you can show me how easy it is to convert the entire site, you might have me convinced ;) 02:55:12 Technicool: cool 02:55:14 :) 02:55:17 'aight. anything else? 02:55:25 going once 02:55:27 going twice 02:55:29 ... 02:55:31 http://mezzanine.readthedocs.org/en/latest/blog-importing.html 02:55:40 Technicool: nice 02:55:50 I hereby declare this meeting adjourned! 02:55:57 #endmeeting