16:06:36 <johnmark> #startmeeting 16:06:36 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 18 16:06:36 2012 UTC. The chair is johnmark. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:06:36 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:07:07 <johnmark> so we have two new servers in use at the moment - web and download servers 16:07:09 <semiosis> pong 16:07:13 <johnmark> actually VMs on rackspace 16:07:15 <johnmark> semiosis: howdy 16:07:38 <johnmark> #action johnmark to send out an actual invite for weekly infra meetings 16:08:14 <johnmark> web server seems fine. download server seems fine. I'm liking that our new downloads are actually repo-able 16:08:22 <johnmark> and signed 16:08:37 <johnmark> any comments on either? 16:08:50 <JoeJulian> Are they moving to OSU? 16:08:51 <semiosis> still working on the ubuntu packages 16:09:38 <semiosis> want to make the "official gluster" packages the same as they would be in the debian/ubuntu repos, not my own version as currently in ppas 16:10:01 <semiosis> it's going well, may have it done this evening 16:10:11 <johnmark> semiosis: ok 16:10:19 <johnmark> JoeJulian: possibly. actually some new news ther 16:10:21 <johnmark> e 16:10:42 <johnmark> semiosis: don't be afraid to ask for help, especially since kkeithley jumped in (unexpectedly) 16:11:14 * JoeJulian is putting off working on Shapado again in case it all gets deleted again in the move. 16:11:16 <johnmark> so we (Red hat) have finally decided to order real, as in bare metal, servers for both ovirt.org and gluster.org 16:11:34 <johnmark> JoeJulian: ok, but a PoC would be useful nonetheless 16:11:47 <johnmark> JoeJulian: in your copious free time :) 16:12:45 <johnmark> the new servers are on order, as of today, and should arrive in a couple of weeks 16:12:59 <johnmark> counting the time it will take to actually set them up, assuming whoever's in charge has the time, etc.... 16:13:05 <johnmark> well, this could take 1-2 months. 16:13:31 <johnmark> in the meantime, our mail server is relaying through my personal linode just so we can send mail through a server with a PTR record 16:13:57 <johnmark> so I'm inclined to just move all mail to the OSL and be done with it 16:14:09 <johnmark> and then we can host whatever on Rackspace until we get the new servers 16:14:33 <johnmark> all I know is, eco and I have spend so much time on IT the last 2 weeks, that we haven't been able to do much else 16:14:34 <JoeJulian> I can change that in 10 minutes with the API key and password. 16:14:54 <johnmark> JoeJulian: change what? 16:14:58 <JoeJulian> rDNS 16:15:08 <johnmark> ah! did you actually figure it out? 16:15:24 <johnmark> JoeJulian: oh right, I remember something about that when I was in hte midst of hell 16:15:28 <johnmark> and forgot to follow up 16:15:32 <JoeJulian> Yes, I haven't finished modifying the tool to use the new APIv2, but I can still do it by hand. 16:15:45 <johnmark> JoeJulian: wow, nice. 16:15:49 <johnmark> JoeJulian: what do you need from me? 16:16:02 <johnmark> the API key and pw? 16:16:05 <JoeJulian> yep 16:16:23 <johnmark> JoeJulian: do you have a pgp/gpg key I can encrypt that info with? 16:16:32 <johnmark> JoeJulian: wow, nice. ou 16:16:34 <johnmark> er 16:16:37 <johnmark> before I mail it to you 16:16:41 <JoeJulian> Will email you. 16:16:45 <johnmark> coolio 16:16:47 <johnmark> sweet. 16:16:52 <johnmark> cross that one off my list 16:17:12 <johnmark> #action johnmark and JoeJulian to fix PTR issue with API magic 16:17:54 <johnmark> cool. that would be super helpful because it would avoid one unnecessary move 16:18:17 <johnmark> ok, that's servers. 16:18:28 <johnmark> JoeJulian: do you want to try out shapado on gluster.org? 16:18:39 <johnmark> JoeJulian: if we migrate, we'll be able to migrate your stuff, too 16:19:02 <johnmark> or I should say *when* we migrate 16:20:18 <johnmark> because next item on the agenda, before migration, is moving off of helpshift 16:20:44 <JoeJulian> Yes, that's my plan. 16:20:53 <johnmark> and then I've been asked ot look at "agile" tools 16:21:06 <johnmark> and getting lots of positive feedback about launchpad 16:21:21 <semiosis> from others besides me? 16:21:23 <johnmark> semiosis: have you ever set up a launchpad server? I'm guessing no, becaus eit seems pretty involved 16:21:24 <semiosis> or just me ;) 16:21:32 <johnmark> semiosis: yeah, from others, too 16:21:45 <johnmark> one guy in the CTO's office asked me about it, whether we could set up our own instnace 16:21:50 <johnmark> or find some alternative to it 16:22:02 <johnmark> I told him they all suck, generally speaking :) 16:22:35 <johnmark> semiosis: last time I looked at the open source launchpad repo, it looked pretty hairy to actually do anything useful 16:22:55 <johnmark> but that was over a year ago. I haven't been keeping up with the project 16:23:02 <semiosis> https://dev.launchpad.net/ 16:23:05 <johnmark> right 16:23:09 <semiosis> just to get that in the log 16:23:41 <johnmark> #link https://dev.launchpad.net/ 16:23:59 <johnmark> so it could be that I'm just not competent enough ot stand it up 16:24:16 <johnmark> or it's pretty tied to ubuntu 16:24:27 <johnmark> not entirely sure 16:24:44 <semiosis> should i even bother to ask why not use launchpad.net? 16:25:30 <johnmark> semiosis: because we want everything on gluster.org 16:25:37 <semiosis> launchpad manages a whole ecosystem, setting up your own launchpad for one project seems overkill 16:25:43 <johnmark> I would be happy to use their service, if I could pay to have it be on the gluster.org domain 16:25:58 <johnmark> semiosis: ah, but that's the thing - it won't be for just one project 16:26:03 <semiosis> maybe redhat could set up a launchpad & provide it to their whole ecosystem :) 16:26:17 <johnmark> and that gets into something that I'll be sending out to the advisors list very soon 16:26:23 <johnmark> semiosis: exactly :) 16:27:23 <semiosis> not holding my breath 16:27:23 <johnmark> semiosis: expect to see more projects become a part of gluster.org 16:27:27 <johnmark> haha! 16:27:29 <johnmark> heh :) 16:27:32 <johnmark> well, or something like it 16:29:19 <johnmark> semiosis: you're not doubting me, are you? ;) 16:29:45 <semiosis> idk of anything quite like it, but if you give up the build system & ppas then trac, redmine, and jira (to name just a few) are viable self-hosted options 16:30:15 <johnmark> semiosis: right. I've used trac and redmine in the past 16:31:11 <johnmark> jira's another option, but I really prefer something open source 16:31:15 <semiosis> me too 16:31:19 <johnmark> ok 16:31:47 <johnmark> and honestly, launchpad seems to be a much better solution than trac or redmine, both of whihc I've never liked 16:32:19 <johnmark> anyhoo... something we need to start investigating along with Q&A platforms 16:32:22 <JoeJulian> What ever happened to the idea of the github clone? 16:32:46 <johnmark> JoeJulian: you mean github integration? 16:33:07 <johnmark> I think that was jdarcy or Eco's idea 16:33:22 <johnmark> #action follow up with jdarcy and eco re: github integration / clone 16:33:40 <JoeJulian> gitlab 16:33:43 <johnmark> JoeJulian: an, ok 16:33:46 * johnmark looks 16:34:15 <johnmark> #link http://gitlabhq.com/ 16:34:24 <semiosis> yea gitlab & gitorious are both github clones 16:34:26 <johnmark> definitely something to look at 16:34:30 <semiosis> #link http://gitorious.org/ 16:34:46 <johnmark> semiosis: cool 16:34:59 <johnmark> so there are a couple of different directions to go 16:36:02 <johnmark> I think the best thing is to see if there's enough interest from other projects to share some of the cost and time of investigating these 16:36:31 <johnmark> so a gitorious/gitlab/launchpad instance that served multiple projects and ecosystems would make a lot of sense 16:36:34 <johnmark> I think 16:36:35 <semiosis> yeah if it's just for glusterfs, my vote is to use hosted services for everything except core stuff, like jenkins 16:36:41 <johnmark> ok 16:36:51 <johnmark> semiosis: yeah, I'm with you 16:37:07 <johnmark> otherwise, maintenance gets to be way too problematic 16:37:16 <JoeJulian> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/gluster-meeting/2012-08-17/gluster-meeting.2012-08-17-02.02.log.html#l-73 16:38:56 <johnmark> JoeJulian: which part are you calling out? 16:40:00 <JoeJulian> Just adding the reference back to where we'd previously discussed gitlab. 16:40:07 <johnmark> JoeJulian: ah, ok 16:40:36 <johnmark> #action make sure to invite someone from engineering team to discuss collab software 16:40:42 <johnmark> cool 16:40:52 <johnmark> ok. anything else on your minds? 16:41:02 <JoeJulian> #topic swag 16:41:14 <JoeJulian> As you had assigned to me whilst I was absent: 16:41:17 <JoeJulian> #link http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Swag 16:41:35 <johnmark> ah! 16:41:43 <johnmark> heh heh 16:41:53 <semiosis> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/gluster-meeting/2012-10-18/gluster-meeting.2012-10-18-16.06.log.html#l-126 16:42:14 <semiosis> ^^ self-referential link? we'll see ;) 16:42:15 <jdarcy> Bitbucket seems to have gotten a lot better recently too. 16:42:18 <johnmark> haha! 16:42:35 <johnmark> jdarcy: somebody else was telling me that 16:42:37 <johnmark> jdarcy: he lives! 16:42:48 <johnmark> jdarcy: someday we need to discuss dev docs, but that's probably not today 16:43:12 <jdarcy> Probably not. ;) 16:43:28 <johnmark> ok, so bitbucket, gitorious, gitlab and launchpad 16:43:37 <johnmark> 3 of those allow self-hosting, and I don't think bitbucket does 16:44:05 <JoeJulian> #action Technicool to email gluster-users about swag and encourage their participation 16:44:15 <semiosis> +1 16:44:17 <johnmark> JoeJulian: excellent idea 16:44:55 <JoeJulian> hmm, what else can we assign to him... 16:45:01 <johnmark> ok, swag - I <3 good mugs. and t-shirts. we can't go crazy, but I'd be happy with both of htse 16:45:04 <johnmark> heh 16:45:12 <johnmark> JoeJulian: surprise him 16:45:22 <JoeJulian> I need those mugs in less than a month now... 16:45:29 <johnmark> oh. crap. ok 16:45:36 <jdarcy> I could design some shirts for you. ;) 16:45:37 <johnmark> JoeJulian: what date, specifically? 16:45:42 <johnmark> jdarcy: haha 16:45:45 <JoeJulian> Nov 8 16:45:49 <johnmark> jdarcy: those might come in handy 16:45:51 <jdarcy> Cafepress does mugs, right? 16:45:57 <semiosis> JoeJulian: whats that date? 16:46:02 <JoeJulian> Yeah, but they're crap. 16:46:07 <jdarcy> Sad. 16:46:09 <johnmark> jdarcy: yes, they do. not as cheaply as other places, but good in a pinch for a small order 16:46:17 <johnmark> semiosis: about to ask the same thing 16:46:19 <JoeJulian> I'm doing an intro to glusterfs at SASAG. 16:46:26 <johnmark> JoeJulian: oh right, you told me that 16:46:41 <johnmark> #action johnmark to expedite a swag order for JoeJulian 16:46:41 <semiosis> JoeJulian: cool! 16:46:52 <JoeJulian> I do have stickers. 16:46:59 <semiosis> me too hahaha 16:47:07 <JoeJulian> But considering I have a MooseFS mug, we should do better. :) 16:47:09 <johnmark> heh :) 16:47:14 <johnmark> JoeJulian: yes, definitely 16:47:17 <jdarcy> What we need is a modular mug, just add rings to make it bigger, add handles, etc. 16:47:23 <johnmark> lulz 16:47:31 <JoeJulian> LOL! That would be awesome! 16:47:33 <johnmark> yes, that's exactly what we need 16:47:37 * johnmark will get right on that 16:47:46 * jdarcy investigates 3d printing services. 16:48:49 <semiosis> jdarcy: lids & carabiner hooks needed too 16:48:57 <semiosis> s/hooks/loops/ 16:49:28 <johnmark> interesting 16:49:35 <johnmark> heh 16:49:48 <johnmark> anyhoo.... anything else other than swag 16:49:56 <johnmark> JoeJulian: I'll try to get an order placed by next week 16:50:02 <johnmark> which means we'll have to suss out a design pronto 16:50:16 <semiosis> johnmark: ants! 16:50:34 <semiosis> the big iconic one, and little "realistic" ants all over the mug 16:50:43 <JoeJulian> yep 16:50:47 <johnmark> heh heh 16:50:49 <JoeJulian> Was thinking the same thing 16:50:51 * johnmark likey 16:51:32 <johnmark> aight 16:51:39 <semiosis> would be neat if they could print them inside.... here, i made you a cup of coffee... to the unsuspecting victim lol 16:51:45 <johnmark> will try to send out some designs in a couple of days 16:51:50 <johnmark> haha! 16:51:52 <semiosis> j/k that's unnecessary 16:51:59 <johnmark> yeah, wasn't going to do that 16:52:06 <johnmark> although it is pretty funny 16:52:50 <johnmark> ok. I think we're done. 16:53:01 <johnmark> I know soemone who can help us with the design 16:53:11 <johnmark> will send them a request for help today 16:53:35 <johnmark> woohoo! servers! migrations! ants! progress! 16:53:44 <johnmark> ok, anything else... 16:53:47 <johnmark> in 5 16:53:49 <johnmark> 4 16:53:50 <johnmark> 3 16:53:53 <johnmark> 2 16:53:59 <johnmark> ... 16:54:00 <johnmark> 1 16:54:09 <johnmark> #endmeeting