12:01:01 <ndevos> #startmeeting
12:01:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 25 12:01:01 2015 UTC.  The chair is ndevos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:01:06 <ndevos> #info agenda: https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/gluster-community-meetings
12:01:11 <ndevos> #topic Roll Call
12:01:16 <ndevos> Hello all!
12:01:29 * jdarcy is present.
12:01:29 * JustinClift waves
12:01:40 * hagarth is here
12:01:41 * tigert is here
12:01:50 * lalatenduM is here
12:01:55 <JustinClift> Gah
12:01:59 * shaunm is present
12:01:59 * kshlm here
12:02:04 <JustinClift> Just saw our Jenkins queue
12:02:05 <ndevos> hchiramm: PING!?
12:02:22 <hchiramm> ndevos, pong :)
12:02:36 * soumya_ is here
12:02:37 <kshlm> JustinClift, feature freeze rush :)
12:02:38 <ndevos> telmich: are you here too?
12:02:47 <JustinClift> kshlm: And several slaves down
12:02:56 <ndevos> JustinClift: yes, be prepared to see breakage :)
12:02:58 * JustinClift will spin up a bunch more slaves this week
12:03:11 <JustinClift> JMW will just have to deal with the bill later ;)
12:03:13 <ndevos> JustinClift: *BSD ones too?
12:03:18 * raghu is here
12:03:31 <JustinClift> ndevos: That's a Manu thing, but is probably a good idea
12:03:45 <ndevos> #topic Action Items from last week(s)
12:03:59 <ndevos> #info subtopic: ndevos should publish an article on his blog
12:04:00 <JustinClift> ndevos: I had the idea when I woke up of creating a "setup new slave vm" script, like your reboot script.  I think it'd work.
12:04:01 <ndevos> DONE!
12:04:18 * JustinClift keeps quiet about it until open discussion
12:04:26 <ndevos> thanks JustinClift :)
12:04:33 <ndevos> #info subtopic: hchiramm will try to fix the duplicate syndication of posts from ndevos
12:04:54 <ndevos> hchiramm: at least on twitter there was duplication, not sure if that happened on the blog too?
12:04:57 <hchiramm> ndevos, I noticed ur posts were duplicated in blog.gluster.org
12:04:57 * lalatenduM is amazed to many members here for the meeting :)
12:05:06 <lalatenduM> to see*
12:05:20 <ndevos> hchiramm: okay, plan of action?
12:05:38 <hchiramm> ndevos, I will check from backend
12:05:57 <ndevos> #action hchiramm will check the blog duplication backend
12:05:58 <hagarth> hchiramm: please also involve spot
12:06:02 <tigert> lalatenduM: web needs fixing:)
12:06:12 <hagarth> he has also been working on avoiding duplication
12:06:17 <hchiramm> hagarth, oh..ok
12:06:20 <ndevos> #action hchiramm will check the blog duplication backend - together with spot
12:06:22 <hchiramm> thanks for the pointer..
12:06:28 * msvbhat arrives late
12:06:34 <ndevos> #info subtopic: hchiramm will share the outcome of the non-mailinglist packagng discussions on the mailinglist (including the Board)
12:06:38 <lalatenduM> tigert, :)
12:06:53 <tigert> hchiramm: syndicated the feed twice?
12:07:14 <hchiramm> http://blog.gluster.org/ tigert
12:07:18 <hchiramm> if u see the footer
12:07:29 <hchiramm> "from the blog"
12:07:39 <hchiramm> it shows 2 entries for ndevos 's post.
12:08:03 <ndevos> tigert, hchiramm: please continue looking into that after the meeting :)
12:08:04 <JustinClift> Hmmm, it also has "2014" instead of 2015 in the footer
12:08:14 * JustinClift should be able to fix that right away (the date)
12:08:24 * ndevos reminds JustinClift of what he said before
12:08:30 <hchiramm> not sure why its happening .. its not getting duplicated for everyone . but ndevos :)
12:08:47 <ndevos> hchiramm: back to the CURRENT TOPIC?
12:08:51 <JustinClift> Heh
12:08:56 <hchiramm> ndevos, go ahead :)
12:09:04 <ndevos> hchiramm: packaging discussion?
12:09:27 <hchiramm> a solution was almost carved , but hagarth has a different thought on the same
12:09:41 <hchiramm> so yet to conclude the final solution..
12:09:55 <hchiramm> ndevos, ^^^
12:09:56 <lalatenduM> yeah , the discussion is still on going
12:10:03 <lalatenduM> lets carry it forward
12:10:11 <ndevos> oh, yes, our nice solution was pulled into a different direction... we'll continue with that sometime next week, I think
12:10:21 <hagarth> ndevos: mea culpa?
12:10:42 * JustinClift has been ignoring the thread
12:10:43 <hchiramm> ndevos, :)
12:10:43 <ndevos> #info packaging discussion between upstream/downstream and potential conflicts in the future is still ongoing
12:10:59 <hchiramm> hagarth, almost :) j/k
12:11:01 <lalatenduM> JustinClift, :/
12:11:28 <ndevos> hagarth: we'll see if we can do something with your idea, it actually requires some thought
12:11:46 <ndevos> #info subtopic: hagarth to open a feature page for (k)vm hyperconvergence
12:11:53 <ndevos> hagarth: done?
12:11:56 <hagarth> ndevos: WIP - http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Features/Ovirt_Hyperconvergence#Current_status
12:12:10 <ndevos> wow, you impresse me!
12:12:20 <ndevos> thanks :)
12:12:26 <ndevos> #info subtopic: ndevos will contact spot about open standing action items on the weekly agenda
12:12:36 <hagarth> ndevos: thanks, have got plenty of details to fill in nevertheless ;)
12:12:36 <ndevos> also done, but I did not get a reply :-/
12:12:55 <ndevos> and spot does not seem to be in this meeting either...
12:13:11 <tigert> he is likely timezone challenged :P
12:13:36 <ndevos> tigert: maybe, but responding to emails can be done days before the meeting
12:13:44 <jdarcy> What about container (rather than VM) hyperconvergence?
12:13:45 <tigert> true
12:14:13 <ndevos> jdarcy: I do not think the oVirt people are much into containers at the moment ;)
12:14:18 <hagarth> jdarcy: overlay xlator underway for that
12:14:35 <jdarcy> hagarth: Cool.  Is there a feature page for it?
12:14:43 <hchiramm> ndevos, they got the support in ovirt I believe
12:14:44 <jdarcy> hagarth: Also, *who* is working on it?
12:14:50 <ndevos> hagarth: oh, interesting, who's writing the feature page and -devel email announcement for that?
12:15:00 <hagarth> jdarcy: not yet, right now it is only in my head
12:15:23 <ndevos> "underway" might have been an overstatement?
12:15:43 <hagarth> ndevos: yes, felt like using over and under in the same sentence ;)
12:15:53 <ndevos> hehe
12:16:06 <jdarcy> I think we should get that on a roadmap people can see.
12:16:09 <hagarth> will post more details once i have a bit more clarity
12:16:18 <hagarth> jdarcy: +1
12:16:31 <jdarcy> It's something a lot of people might find interesting, and for once there's some real usefulness behind it too.
12:16:59 * hagarth notices xlators/cluster/overlay in his local repo
12:17:00 <ndevos> #action hagarth will post more details about an overlay xlator (container targetted) when he has a bit more clarity
12:17:55 <ndevos> #action hagarth to post his surprise find of xlators/cluster/overlay code early
12:18:09 <ndevos> #info subtopic: hagarth to carry forward discussion on automated builds for various platforms in gluster-infra ML
12:18:39 <ndevos> hagarth: some progress here?
12:18:46 <hagarth> ndevos: not yet done
12:18:46 <hagarth> ndevos: will aim it for this week
12:19:00 <ndevos> okat, we'll ask you next week about it again
12:19:11 <ndevos> #info subtopic: ndevos should send out a reminder about Maintainer responsibilities to the -devel list
12:19:25 <ndevos> oh, I'm a slacker, that still needs to get sent out
12:19:37 <ndevos> #info subtopic: telmich will send an email to the gluster-users list about Gluster support in QEMU on Debian/Ubuntu
12:19:43 <ndevos> not sure if telmich is here?
12:20:22 <ndevos> telmich is one of the interested users that would like to see QEMU in debian/ubuntu support gfapi connections
12:20:38 <ndevos> did anyone notice an email conversation about that?
12:20:59 <ndevos> ... sounds like a collective "no"
12:21:08 <ndevos> #info subtopic: jimjag to engage the board, asking for their direction and input for both 3.7, and 4.0 releases
12:21:32 <ndevos> JustinClift: jimjag isnt around, was there any feedback on the board list?
12:21:33 <JustinClift> There was an email about it
12:21:39 <JustinClift> 1 sec
12:21:40 <JustinClift> Looking
12:21:44 <hagarth> JustinClift: any responses to that?
12:21:53 <JustinClift> No
12:21:58 <JustinClift> And TBH, it was a crap email he sent
12:22:10 <JustinClift> We need to do better
12:22:16 * JustinClift will engage the board instead
12:22:40 <JustinClift> #action JustinClift will engage the board re: 3.7 and 4.0
12:22:55 <ndevos> okay, thanks
12:23:04 <ndevos> #topic GlusterFS 3.6
12:23:20 <ndevos> raghu: you have a few precious minutes :)
12:23:49 <raghu> I have merged few patches. There are some patches which need review and some patches have to pass regression
12:23:54 <raghu> I am waiting for them
12:24:16 <raghu> Want to make a beta2 next week.
12:25:19 <ndevos> raghu: el5 builds are broken atm, something has changed in the (centos?) distribution causing the packages to get build with lvm2 suppor
12:25:23 <ndevos> t
12:25:31 <ndevos> and, lvm2-devel is not available on el5 :-/
12:25:49 * lalatenduM saw that too
12:25:50 <hagarth> ndevos: is librcu available on el5?
12:25:56 <ndevos> hagarth: no, not yet
12:25:57 <lalatenduM> hagarth, nope
12:26:14 <ndevos> hagarth: kshlm might become maintainer for userspace-rcu on el5
12:26:26 <ndevos> but, that is not a 3.6 issue
12:26:38 <JustinClift> ndevos: Changes in our .spec file, so it's nor correctly detecting things?
12:26:41 * lalatenduM got that while building the master branch
12:26:44 <JustinClift> (on el5)
12:26:59 <ndevos> JustinClift: no changes on our side, it must be something in the distro
12:27:02 <hagarth> ndevos: ok, cool
12:27:22 <ndevos> lalatenduM: can you test a 3.6 build too? that should have the same lvm2-devel package issye
12:27:25 <ndevos> *issue
12:27:34 <JustinClift> ndevos: k.  We may have to change our .spec file to work around it tho ;)
12:27:55 <ndevos> JustinClift: we have those workarounds, but detecting of the el5 distro started to fail recently
12:28:04 <JustinClift> :(
12:28:06 <lalatenduM> ndevos, I am re-checking lvm2-devel on el5, there might be soem mistake from me
12:28:34 <ndevos> lalatenduM: no, lvm2-devel is not available on el5 - the detection seems to have broken
12:28:48 <raghu> ndevos: I can wait more for making beta2 if you think this issue has to be resolved before making beta2
12:29:01 <ndevos> raghu: so, I guess we need to fix the el5 builds before you can ... - yes that
12:29:13 <raghu> ndevos: sure
12:29:19 <lalatenduM> ndevos, lets wait for some time , will let you know
12:29:52 <ndevos> #agreed 3.6 does not build on el5 anymore, that needs to be fixed before beta2 is made
12:30:10 <ndevos> raghu: anything else you want to mention?
12:30:37 <raghu> ndevos: nope. Covered everything :)
12:30:53 <ndevos> raghu: ok, thanks!
12:31:00 <ndevos> #topic GlusterFS 3.5.4
12:31:11 <ndevos> that is more or less the same as with 3.6
12:31:18 <hagarth> ndevos: ok
12:31:28 <ndevos> sudden build issues on el5 :-/
12:31:42 <ndevos> but, more patches have been merged as well
12:31:53 <ndevos> hagarth: ok - to what?
12:31:53 <lalatenduM> I am getting a new issue "configure: error: python does not have ctypes support" on el5
12:32:07 <JustinClift> note - Gluster WP admin account has been created for tigert
12:32:28 <ndevos> lalatenduM: right, same detection, I guess -> move it out of the meeting?
12:32:40 <lalatenduM> yeah
12:32:40 <hagarth> ndevos: ok to 3.5.4 status
12:32:55 <ndevos> hagarth: ah, ok :)
12:33:10 <ndevos> anything else for 3.5?
12:33:29 <ndevos> #topic GlusterFS 3.4
12:33:52 <ndevos> kkeithley isnt there, he's in a different timezone this week...
12:34:23 <ndevos> I did not get a status update from him, so I expect that there is no plan to release 3.4.7 any time soon
12:34:40 <hagarth> I wonder if we'll need a 3.4.7 since 3.7 is going to be out soon
12:35:00 <hagarth> once that is out, 3.4 will not be supported anymore
12:35:02 <ndevos> how "soon" would 3.7 get out?
12:35:11 <hagarth> ndevos: 2 months from now
12:35:48 <ndevos> #info when 3.7 gets released, 3.4 will not be supported anymore
12:36:18 <JustinClift> We should get a 3.4.7 out, because we know there will be stragglers
12:36:30 <hagarth> JustinClift: yeah, agree with that
12:36:31 <JustinClift> Might as well keep it stable for them until they nearly drop dead of age ;)
12:36:42 <ndevos> #info maybe there is no need for a 3.4.7 release if 3.7 gets released in 2 months?
12:36:45 <JustinClift> NO 3.4.8 THO
12:36:50 <JustinClift> ;)
12:37:10 <ndevos> well, 3.4.7 is waiting for a long time already, there does not seem to be something extremely urgent
12:37:10 <jdarcy> Also no 3.8 unless it's OVER MY DEAD BODY.
12:37:47 <ndevos> #topic GlusterFS.next
12:37:52 * jdarcy realizes that counts as an incentive for some people.
12:37:53 * JustinClift can pretty clearly see a 3.8 poltergeist, getting ready to hover over jdarcy :p
12:37:59 <ndevos> #info subtopic: GLusterFS 3.7
12:38:00 <JustinClift> :D
12:38:03 <hagarth> jdarcy: that's a good topic for discussion in the offline GlusterFS summit
12:38:17 <hagarth> 3.7 feature freeze targeted for this weekend
12:38:31 <hagarth> there are plenty of patches to be reviewed
12:38:33 <JustinClift> With the way our regression testing stuff is going, I have my doubts
12:38:40 <hagarth> any help with reviews would be more than welcome
12:38:49 <hagarth> any help with Jenkins also would be very welcome!
12:39:01 * JustinClift is spinning up 20x new slaves atm
12:39:06 <ndevos> hagarth: now its time to point to your etherpad ;)
12:39:20 <kshlm> Yay JustinClift!!
12:39:26 <hagarth> https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/review-for-glusterfs-3.7
12:39:33 <ndevos> JustinClift: the main bottleneck is the smoke and *BSD tests...
12:39:39 <hagarth> contains the list of feature patches that need review
12:39:48 <JustinClift> Our regression tests on master take ~2 hours each though, and they're failing from spurious errors 75% of the time
12:39:51 <JustinClift> Ahhh
12:40:05 <hagarth> I suspect that we might slip feature freeze by a few days
12:40:19 <hagarth> but I don't expect that to have any impact on the GA date for 3.7.0
12:40:36 <ndevos> hagarth: or, hand out exceptions per feature? get them merged in waves?
12:40:50 <hagarth> ndevos: yes, we'll need to grant exceptions
12:41:02 <hagarth> some features are nearly there and I would hate to miss them in 3.7.0
12:41:33 <JustinClift> hagarth: We may need to get the smoke tests off of master
12:41:37 <hagarth> any volunteers to help with reviews of features in the etherpad by friday?
12:41:46 * JustinClift will look at setting up some smoketestslaves or something
12:42:11 <hagarth> JustinClift: more slaves for smoketests would be awesome
12:42:11 <JustinClift> "java" process on build.gluster.org is running at 500+% cpu
12:42:26 <JustinClift> I'm not sure it's going to handle many new slaves after all :(
12:42:43 <ndevos> JustinClift: IMHO any slave should be able to run smoke tests - but I have no idea how to set that up
12:42:45 <JustinClift> Will discuss after meeting
12:42:52 <JustinClift> Yeah, I'll look into it
12:42:53 <hagarth> JustinClift: ok
12:42:55 <JustinClift> Might not be hard
12:43:07 <jdarcy> I suppose I could take the last resource (me) away from 4.0 to review 7000 lines of code only submitted for review two days ago.
12:43:29 <hagarth> jdarcy: thanks, that would be appreciated!
12:43:30 <jdarcy> I almost feel sorry for the authors, considering the mood that puts me in.
12:43:43 <JustinClift> I was going to mention that could be a very quick review :)
12:43:53 <ndevos> jdarcy: I *hate* huge patches :-/
12:44:04 <hagarth> we have plenty of learnings from 3.7 which probably need to be discussed as part of a retrospective
12:44:09 <jdarcy> In other words *why the fuck do people keep their code private so long*?
12:44:09 <JustinClift> 3.7 should be stable about 3.7.5 then... ;)
12:44:17 <jdarcy> That's not open source.  That's dump and run.
12:44:26 <hagarth> jdarcy: no clue
12:44:58 <jdarcy> Sorry, I'll stop ranting.
12:45:01 * ndevos tries hard to convince people to post patches in small chunks, and get those merged early and build upon that
12:45:25 <ndevos> hagarth: anything else for 3.7?
12:45:25 <hagarth> ndevos: maybe we should send an email on the lists to remind folks about this "best practice"
12:45:44 * kshlm agrees with ndevos.
12:45:56 <hagarth> ndevos: nothing more, I will be buried in reviews for 3.7 for a while now
12:45:57 <ndevos> hagarth: something like that would be good - or recommended practices to get your code merged quicker
12:46:11 <ndevos> thanks hagarth
12:46:25 <ndevos> #info subtopic: GlusterFS 4.0
12:46:43 <jdarcy> We're having a meeting tomorrow morning for that.
12:46:56 <ndevos> Meeting tomorrow 11:00 UTC: http://www.gluster.org/pipermail/gluster-devel/2015-February/043960.html
12:47:35 <ndevos> jdarcy: if thats all you have for now, we'll discuss more tomorrow?
12:47:43 <jdarcy> Little progress has been reported to me from others (who are all busy on other things).  For my own part, I've been trying to refactor some of my patches to support server-side AFR/EC as well as NSR.
12:47:57 <JustinClift> jdarcy: Have we had a direct chat to the dev's that submitted the 7k lines of code, about how it's not a very good approach?  They *could* just need some firm guidance..
12:48:15 <jdarcy> I got some interesting results from that, which I'll be reporting tomorrow.
12:48:26 <JustinClift> Cool :)
12:48:35 <jdarcy> JustinClift: Yes, I'll be conveying that message to the authors directly.  ;)
12:48:39 <JustinClift> :)
12:50:10 <ndevos> jdarcy: more on 4.0, or continue in tomorrows meeting?
12:50:20 <jdarcy> Nothing more for 4.0
12:50:27 <ndevos> jdarcy: thanks :)
12:50:31 <ndevos> #topic Other Agenda items
12:50:51 <ndevos> #info subtopic Upcoming Events
12:51:05 <ndevos> reminder to update https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/gluster-events
12:51:19 <ndevos> #info subtopic: GSOC 2015
12:51:37 <ndevos> kshlm: got a status update on this?
12:52:07 <ndevos> JustinClift: or you?
12:52:15 <kshlm> Yup.
12:52:16 <lalatenduM> ndevos, its kshlm
12:52:28 <kshlm> I submitted the org application, with the help of spot.
12:52:33 <kshlm> Now we wait.
12:52:43 <lalatenduM> how much ?
12:52:55 <lalatenduM> Imean when is the result expected?
12:53:01 <lalatenduM> announcement*
12:53:05 <kshlm> In the meantime, can we get more volunteers for mentors.
12:53:19 <kshlm> lalatenduM, I think a couple of weeks.
12:53:21 <lalatenduM> ok
12:53:24 <kshlm> Give me 1 sec.
12:53:39 <JustinClift> kshlm: Keeping pinging gluster devel mailing list about it
12:53:52 <JustinClift> kshlm: And a few blog posts wouldn't hurt either ;)
12:54:11 <kshlm> I'm terrible at blogs.
12:54:37 <kshlm> lalatenduM, The student applications open on Mar16, so the org decisions should be out by then.
12:54:49 <lalatenduM> kshlm, cool
12:54:56 <JustinClift> kshlm: You're fine at blogs.  We can get proof readers for you too
12:55:01 <ndevos> kshlm: okay, nice, anything else?
12:55:13 <kshlm> Nothing else.
12:55:20 <ndevos> thanks!
12:55:27 <ndevos> #info subtopic: Website practical plans
12:55:34 <ndevos> tigert: you're up!
12:55:46 <tigert> woot!
12:55:48 <ndevos> Mail thread for reference: http://www.gluster.org/pipermail/gluster-infra/2015-February/000772.html
12:56:17 <hchiramm> Debloper, ^^^^
12:56:20 <Debloper> o/
12:56:20 <hchiramm> tigert, Debloper is the person who sent that mail to gluster-infra
12:56:36 <lalatenduM> Debloper++ for the blog :)
12:56:38 <tigert> so Debloper made a nice summary of the website issues and what we should do in the blog
12:56:38 <Debloper> I'd let tigert go first, please
12:56:43 <hchiramm> indeed Debloper++
12:56:45 <Debloper> thanks, lalatenduM :)
12:57:22 <Debloper> I'm on prototyping some ideas, will be able to show something shortly to gather feedback.
12:57:25 <tigert> and I think, since we should keep this short, is to mostly agree to meet and try lay down some plan to proceed in practice
12:57:37 <Debloper> tigert++
12:57:39 <tigert> or maybe have an etherpad or such for this
12:57:49 <tigert> so we can discuss this, the mailing list works too of course
12:58:16 * Debloper thinks it'd be better to try something more full duplex for ideation
12:58:28 <Debloper> why not IRC, devel channel?
12:58:31 <tigert> but one thought I and davemc had when we discussed the site issues during a meeting
12:58:41 <Debloper> (then take the notes on etherpad)
12:58:41 <tigert> an irc channel might work too, but lets not split things up too much
12:58:52 <JustinClift> IRC is ok for ideation <-- as long as the results go on the mailing list
12:59:10 * hagarth needs to drop off now, ttyl folks
12:59:15 <tigert> so the idea is a gluster "shop"
12:59:19 <tigert> hagarth: _o/
12:59:21 <ndevos> tigert: start with a mailinglist discussion, and summarize it in an etherpad with an IRC meeting to finalize it?
12:59:40 <Debloper> tigert: please, do send me all the resources & historic discussions that I might have missed (as mail?)
12:59:52 <tigert> like a phone shop or applestore or whatever - front room is the sales and showcase where you get started,
13:00:16 <tigert> and there is your "Pitch"
13:00:23 <tigert> and instructions to get started
13:00:32 <tigert> now with docs shaunm will be helping us with his experience
13:00:34 <JustinClift> As long as it's not following the Gnome approach, should be ok
13:00:39 <Debloper> ndevos: mailing list discussion is there, next is IRC fire-chat & then takeaway the bullet point actions
13:00:55 <Debloper> tigert: yes, I like that idea. let's catch up sometimes.
13:01:10 <tigert> behind the front room is the "genius bar" where the community lives, where you get more in depth stuff, and get involved
13:01:15 <tigert> but yeah
13:01:25 <Debloper> let's not take too much meeting footage (unless it's okay)
13:01:34 <JustinClift> tigert Debloper: Any interest in having the discussion on gluster-users as well as gluster-infra?  eg to engage the end user audience
13:01:38 <tigert> should we have an irc meeting to sync?
13:01:50 <ndevos> well, we're running over time now - this was the last item on the agenda :)
13:01:56 <tigert> we could of course move the discussion to gluster-users
13:01:57 <tigert> yeah
13:02:03 <Debloper> JustinClift: I'm not familiar with the mailing list policies, but i don't know why should there be any problem
13:02:17 <Debloper> in fact, I'd agree to early user testing the staged revamp
13:02:20 <tigert> ndevos: lets close the official one and we can chat about this last item off record?
13:02:43 * JustinClift nods
13:02:47 <ndevos> tigert: I suggest to create a proposal together with Debloper and whoever will work with you
13:03:00 <tigert> ndevos: agreed
13:03:08 <ndevos> send that proposal to the -users list and get their opinion
13:03:21 <tigert> ndevos: ack
13:03:22 <ndevos> maybe have a irc meeting with interested users too
13:03:28 <Debloper> o/
13:03:42 <tigert> we'll do that
13:03:54 <ndevos> now, when you want to discuss that proposal, is really up to you :)
13:04:01 * krishnan_p needs to drop off now if he wishes to reach home in one piece
13:04:04 <tigert> yeah
13:04:05 <JustinClift> :)
13:04:13 <JustinClift> krishnan_p: Good luck :D
13:04:18 <ndevos> we'll finish teh meeting now, and you can start your own meeting after that
13:04:22 <krishnan_p> JustinClift, thanks :)
13:04:37 <Debloper> ndevos: cool, I'll catch up with tigert & we'll get back with update on this.
13:05:10 <ndevos> Debloper: yeah, sounds good, but please discuss in this channel and do a #startmeeting to get some logs for it
13:05:14 <ndevos> #endmeeting