14:02:43 #startmeeting hubs-devel 14:02:43 Meeting started Tue Jun 13 14:02:43 2017 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02:43 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:02:43 The meeting name has been set to 'hubs-devel' 14:02:46 no issues :) 14:02:47 (sorry for all the spam) 14:02:52 okay! so how are things going? 14:03:06 https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/hubs-flock-workshop 14:03:19 I have drafted a talk and a hackfest proposal 14:03:38 awesome! two separate proposals? 14:03:46 mizmo: yes 14:04:01 those would be in two seperate time right? 14:04:13 yep! talks are going to be the first day and hackfests / workshops the other 3 days 14:04:30 yes, so I wrote both the proposals 14:04:36 we can add a lot to that 14:05:09 ok cool 14:05:21 do we want a third session, a working session about future hubs direction, kind of a brainstormy thing? 14:05:23 would it make sense to have a workshop? I'm looking for a clear definition of the difference betweek workshops and hackfests, but can't find one 14:05:37 yeh so i can tell you, i should have documented this better 14:05:52 so a workshop is where you're teaching and doing. so showing ppl how to write widgets + then having them do it is a workshop 14:06:05 where a hackfest is more, you already work together and know what you're doing, so you're planning, coordinating, and doing, not so much teaching 14:06:09 does that make sense? 14:06:15 yeah, that's what I supposed 14:06:19 but wasn't sure 14:06:40 do you guys think it would be useful to have a workshop too? 14:06:58 it's more work upfront than a hackfest I think 14:07:11 yeh i think we were talking about doing a workshop for widget building right? 14:07:17 since you have to design the exercices 14:07:45 Yeah. I could work on that but maybe our workforce would best be put elsewhere 14:07:56 abompard: mizmo: then let's move the talk to workshop 14:08:06 Okay! 14:08:12 how does that sound? 14:08:21 i think we still need a talk to give a status report on hubs 14:08:27 if you want i can propose that though 14:08:33 so not everything is on you sayan 14:08:40 If you think it's useful, I can work on the exercises to have people write an example widget. 14:08:45 also, suzanne is going to propose a talk on the regional hubs idea 14:08:49 yeah a talk seems useful 14:08:51 mizmo: okay 14:08:54 abompard: that would be awesome! 14:08:57 mizmo: yeah! that would be great 14:09:03 the talk ill propose will be sort of a status of where we are + a roadmap 14:09:11 suzanne is going to talk about the process + design of regional hubs 14:09:49 mizmo: anyways, we need to submits the proposal of the talks? 14:10:12 s/need to/need to decide/ 14:10:35 sayan: wait so im a little confused, did you already propose + submit a hackfest and talk in the system? or did you just draft them? 14:11:31 oh i see i dont see them in system 14:11:35 are they in etherpad? 14:11:45 mizmo: draft them. sorry for the confusion 14:11:53 it's all good :) 14:12:13 https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/hubs-flock-workshop 14:12:33 oh these writeups look great sayan! 14:12:38 yes! 14:13:14 so here's my thought 14:13:26 we take the hackfest proposal and make it the workshop proposal 14:13:33 how long do you think the workshop should be? 14:14:06 it can be 2 or 3 hours 14:14:14 yes 14:14:46 my gut is thinking 2 hrs for workshop, 3 hours for hackfest 14:15:00 and have them on different days so we're not hubs-ed-out all in one day lol 14:15:19 yeah :) 14:15:22 yeah, two days 14:16:14 okay so how about we do this - 14:16:17 we have 2 days till the deadline 14:16:29 sayan - can you propose the workshop? 14:16:35 mizmo: I can 14:16:46 abompard: you'll work on the exercises for the workshop - 14:16:54 mizmo: or abompard do you want to propose the workshop? 14:16:58 as you are working on the examples 14:17:02 oh that might make more sense 14:17:14 yeah the description may be quite different from Sayan's 14:17:26 abompard: right! 14:17:29 since it's more about exercices than improving existing content 14:17:38 workshop should be 2 hours, should talk about how it's for new contributors and learning how to build hubs widgets 14:17:39 yeh 14:17:41 the abstract would change a lot 14:17:48 yeah 14:17:53 sayan: can you rejigger the existing hackfest writeup and propose for 3 hours? 14:18:16 mizmo: ok 14:18:25 sayan: i think what needs to change in the existing hackfest is the fact we're having the workshop, so i think the proposal should mention that hackfest should occur *after* workshop, and mention the workshop for people who want to learn before attending 14:18:36 indeed 14:18:41 other than that, it can be used as is 14:18:41 yes 14:19:13 then i'll propose the talk, im going to tweak it a little bit to focus it on roadmap but mostly use what sayan wrote 14:19:14 ok 14:19:25 #action sayan proposing hackfest for 3 hours 14:19:31 #action abompard proposing workshop for 2 hours 14:19:38 #action abompard writing exercises for workshop 14:19:42 #action mizmo proposing hubs talk 14:19:51 mizmo: yes, also add few things on building mockup to the talk proposal 14:20:16 sayan: actually suzanne's talk is probably going to cover the mockup process, so i could refer to hers 14:20:30 Yeah! 14:20:33 kind of give a high level and if people want details look at suzanne's for specifics 14:21:00 i think once we get talk acceptances i want to put together a big blog post running down all of our talks to try to get people excited to come to all of them :) 14:21:16 okay cool i think we are in great shape for flock 14:21:17 :+1: 14:21:20 in terms of proposals 14:21:27 anything else to discuss? how is the development coming? 14:21:34 Yes, I have two topics 14:21:59 go ahead :) 14:22:21 First, the hubs-devel machine. After I4ve submitted the workshop proposal, I can work on bringing it up-to-speed with dev 14:22:42 making sure it's usable and all 14:22:48 hubs-devel machine as in the vagrant box? 14:22:50 so people can look at it before hubs 14:22:59 nope, the one in fedorainfracloud 14:23:04 sayan: ^ 14:23:37 abompard: yes, that something I was planning last week, but did not get much time because of fedimg 14:23:44 My thinking is that before deciding to get involved with hubs and go to a session at flock, people will probably want to checkout what it's like 14:23:44 oh thats a great idea abompard 14:24:09 abompard: I just now pinged Patrick before the meeting, seems like we are send a wrong callback url 14:24:11 #action abompard to update hubs-devel box @ fedorainfracloud so workshop attendees could check out how it works 14:24:19 should be https instead of http 14:24:25 sayan: yeah 14:24:46 Second point, kinda related to the first 14:25:09 I have this "feed rework" branch in review at the moment, I can't wait to show it off to you :-) 14:25:20 so maybe I'll setup that branch on the hubs-devel host, who knows ;-) 14:25:26 \o/ that would be awesome! 14:25:34 abompard++ 14:25:54 but if *someone* reviews it in the meantime, well 14:25:58 abompard: btw, are you free after this meeting so that we can fix the hubs-dev instance 14:26:03 I would just have to ckeckout master :-) 14:26:07 sayan: yep! 14:26:39 abompard: cool, let's collab after the meeting 14:26:48 abompard: also another thing I wanted to talk on 14:27:26 abompard: I did not use the vagrant box much, but I tried last weekend and the CSS seems to be broken for me (after I did a fresh install) 14:27:51 sayan: I never used Vagrant, but I guess it's the perfect opportunity to learn 14:28:11 I'll have a look 14:28:18 but the workshop proposal comes first :-) 14:28:27 abompard: yeah, so free sometime later this week so that we can fix the vagrant box 14:28:29 yeah 14:28:35 :+1: 14:28:37 deadline approaching 14:29:16 abompard: let's then work on Friday to fix the vagrant box 14:29:24 okay 14:29:36 I am slowly moving all my development to vagrant box 14:29:42 interesting 14:30:05 it'll be faster for me if you're there to show me, so I'm all for it :) 14:30:19 mizmo: and I have been working on the IRC frontend, did not get much work done last week though 14:30:35 ok cool 14:30:41 hopefully more time this week? 14:30:51 due to a high priority fedimg issue, but things are coming up weel 14:30:54 well 14:30:56 yeah 14:32:09 next thing is once we are done with the proposal submission, we can start off creating slides 14:32:24 (in July) 14:32:40 and mock presentations over video call (in August) 14:32:51 does that sound good? 14:33:12 :+1: 14:33:13 yep that sounds like a good idea 14:33:42 #action sayan to work more on irc widget this week as time permits 14:33:52 #action [all] once proposal submissions in, we should create slides in july 14:34:07 #action [all] we should plan to have mock presentations over video call in august before flock 14:35:17 that's all from my side 14:35:27 anything else to talk about? 14:35:37 nope 14:35:54 cool let's end it there then :) 14:35:59 #endmeeting