05:09:04 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n
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05:09:14 <dychen_> hhi
05:09:17 <juhp> #meetingname i18n
05:09:17 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
05:09:22 <juhp> hey
05:09:26 <nkumar_> hi
05:09:29 <epico_laptop> hi
05:09:31 <tagoh> hi
05:09:38 <dychen_> hi
05:09:43 <fujiwarat> hi
05:09:51 <dueno> hi
05:10:23 <jni> hi
05:10:35 <juhp> ok
05:10:43 <juhp> shall we get started then
05:11:07 <juhp> #topic F14
05:11:28 <pravins> hi
05:11:47 <juhp> f14 alpha go/no-go was held here earlier and it was agreed that rc4 would be released next week as Alpha :)
05:11:55 <juhp> so good news
05:12:17 <paragan> hi
05:12:33 <juhp> so next milestone is Beta of course
05:13:17 <juhp> 2010-09-07	Software Translation Deadline
05:13:41 <juhp> 2010-09-14	Beta Change Deadline; Features 100% Complete
05:14:02 <juhp> ie beta freeze
05:14:36 <juhp> we have two target bugs
05:14:57 <juhp> .bug 617959
05:14:59 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 617959 Incorrect handling of fr(oss) layout - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617959
05:15:08 <juhp> .bug 582455
05:15:10 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 582455 Java fontconfig needs to be updated for Japanese - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=582455
05:18:17 <juhp> just wondering if the xkeyboard-config issue might be related to imsettings but probably not
05:19:49 <fujiwarat> Probably I'd like to add input-pad into fedora translation.
05:20:18 <juhp> fujiwarat: transifex?  good idea
05:20:35 <fujiwarat> Yes, it is. I forgot the name.
05:21:03 <juhp> I think it probably supports github - not sure though
05:21:19 <tagoh> juhp: guess not since it happens in xterm too
05:21:23 <juhp> #topic bugs days
05:21:30 <paragan> juhp, we also have .bug 622680
05:21:45 <juhp> tagoh: doesn't none.conf change affect X?
05:21:59 <juhp> maybe not
05:22:06 <paragan> .bug 622680
05:22:07 <zodbot> paragan: Bug 622680 [Indic] Java fontconfig needs to be updated for Indic languages - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=622680
05:22:36 <juhp> paragan: maybe should be merged into 582455 perhaps?
05:22:58 <tagoh> juhp: the prevous change was to make xim immodule default for gtk. no affects for X apps at all
05:23:11 <juhp> ok
05:23:53 <juhp> ok I should probably uncomment then ;)
05:24:42 <juhp> paragan: when do you want to do the first bugs day?
05:25:09 <paragan> 25th Aug?
05:25:29 <paragan> it will be for ibus bugs right?
05:25:47 <juhp> ok - that is basically the day (after?) the release
05:26:03 <juhp> paragan: up to yeah really - or fonts
05:27:20 <paragan> juhp, or we can move it one week later say 1st sept?
05:27:25 <juhp> tagoh: so with @im=none X compose should always be working right?
05:27:40 <tagoh> yes
05:27:44 <juhp> ok
05:28:14 <paragan> let's make it then 1st sept
05:28:19 <juhp> ok
05:29:14 <juhp> so 1 Sept ok for everyone?
05:29:27 <juhp> so for IM?
05:29:38 <juhp> fujiwarat: you'll be around right?
05:29:52 <fujiwarat> yes
05:30:06 <juhp> cool
05:30:42 <juhp> paragan: then can you please send out an announcement, say next week?
05:31:34 <paragan> sure I will send it next week
05:32:37 <juhp> #topic bug stats
05:32:50 <nkumar_> . bug 624158
05:32:52 <zodbot> nkumar_: Bug 624158 Idea for setting individual fallback language - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624158
05:33:12 <juhp> tagoh: you might be providing us some bz graphs? :)
05:34:05 <tagoh> juhp: ah, not yet generated weekly graphs..
05:34:37 <juhp> tagoh: ah yeah not today I mean :)
05:35:02 <juhp> nkumar_: ok let's talk about that next
05:35:12 <tagoh> sure. will do my best to make it available next meeting
05:35:23 <nkumar_> ok
05:35:24 <juhp> awesome
05:35:59 <juhp> let me put IM before Fonts this week
05:36:06 <juhp> trying to alternate the order
05:36:21 <juhp> 22 ibus (-6) bugs :)
05:36:44 <juhp> #topic IM and other bugs
05:37:04 <nkumar_> . bug 624158
05:37:06 <zodbot> nkumar_: Bug 624158 Idea for setting individual fallback language - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624158
05:37:59 <juhp> nkumar_: any more thoughts on it?
05:38:27 <juhp> can you check how anaconda sets /etc/sysconfig/i18n
05:38:38 <juhp> might need to clone a bug I guess
05:38:40 <nkumar_> petersen: in my opinion it could be handled by gettext in a generic way
05:38:51 <juhp> nkumar_: aha
05:39:01 <nkumar_> petersen: ok
05:39:03 <juhp> interesting idea yes
05:41:01 <juhp> nkumar_: or glibc perhaps
05:41:50 <juhp> .whoowns glibc
05:41:50 <zodbot> juhp: schwab
05:42:06 <nkumar_> petersen: yep, maybe, but would glibc care about translations fallback
05:42:21 <nkumar_> petersen: I am a bit ignorant here with glibc
05:42:37 <juhp> nkumar_: at least in fedora all gettext at runtime is done by glibc
05:42:57 <nkumar_> petersen: ok
05:42:57 <juhp> gettext is just a devel package
05:43:08 <nkumar_> petersen: ok
05:43:27 <juhp> well except shell scripts perhaps...
05:43:48 <nkumar_> ok
05:45:03 <nkumar_> juhp: so should this be moved to glibc?
05:45:53 <juhp> I am pretty sure this is not the first time this idea has come up - though might be first in our bz
05:46:20 <juhp> nkumar_: probably good to do some searching to see the earlier discussions
05:46:33 <juhp> nkumar_: but you could try that...
05:46:51 <juhp> probably bit of a long shot without a patch :)
05:46:58 <nkumar_> juhp: ok I will do that
05:47:10 <juhp> I added a comment anyway
05:47:23 <nkumar_> should i first look at anaconda?
05:48:01 <nkumar_> ofcourse yes :)
05:48:16 <juhp> nkumar_: well the glibc seems a deeper solution so might be worth exploring first
05:48:59 <juhp> though glibc might claim it should be done at the OS level dunno
05:49:21 <nkumar_> juhp: ok, i will do some initial research on this
05:49:29 <juhp> cool
05:50:11 <juhp> fujiwarat: how is ibus? :)
05:50:34 <fujiwarat> Today I created a scratch build for ibus xkb.
05:50:46 <fujiwarat> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2410753
05:50:48 <juhp> aha
05:51:08 <fujiwarat> It would be appreciate if I can get any feedbacks.
05:51:14 <juhp> fujiwarat: ok
05:52:07 <fujiwarat> Currently I also working on ibus-qt comaintainers.
05:52:10 <juhp> I will try to try it later
05:52:16 <juhp> aha
05:52:28 <juhp> fujiwarat: upstream?
05:52:42 <fujiwarat> Yes, now I'm a maintainer of ibus-qt.
05:53:11 <juhp> oh congrats!
05:53:26 <juhp> is there some interest? :)
05:53:41 <fujiwarat> I'm also discussing about ibus-m17n surround text with dueno in this week.
05:53:53 <juhp> cool
05:55:13 <juhp> #topic Fonts and rendering
05:55:28 <juhp> (27 fonts (-5); 20 font (+1) bugs)
05:56:23 <pravins> hmm
05:56:27 <juhp> any fonts or rendering issues to discuss?
05:58:04 <pravins> nothing from me
05:58:12 * pravins working on lohit oriya problem of qt
05:58:18 <juhp> ok
06:00:22 <juhp> ok finished counting the beans ;)
06:00:29 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-08-12#Dashboard
06:00:51 <juhp> #topic package reviews
06:01:03 <juhp> any updates?
06:01:28 <dychen_> going to submit a new ibus-chewing which fix 2 upstream issues and use new Fedora GIT.
06:02:05 <dychen_> In terms of package reviews, I am reviewing jni's flies-python-client
06:02:34 <juhp> cool
06:03:22 * epico_laptop imports new package cjkuni-uming-fonts and cjkuni-ukai-fonts.
06:03:30 <dychen_> And I am going to rewrite ibus-table-chinese, looks like originally use ibus-table-chinese as a holder of Cangjie-like input methods.
06:04:10 <dychen_> s/originally use/kaio originally uses/
06:04:19 <nkumar_> still has to host & pkg ibus-table-others
06:04:42 <nkumar_> also from kaio
06:05:31 <juhp> epico_laptop: cool
06:05:41 <juhp> dychen_: rewrite?
06:06:15 <dychen_> juhp, repack per se. :-)
06:06:21 <juhp> ok
06:06:44 <juhp> thanks
06:06:49 <dychen_> juhp, I did have a plan to rewrite ibus-table with C.
06:07:00 <juhp> # open and closing
06:07:04 <juhp> dychen_: ah yes
06:07:16 <juhp> some work on that should already be done
06:08:03 <juhp> great - if no other topics we can close the meeting in a moment
06:09:02 <juhp> ugh would help if I was changing the right wiki page, doh
06:09:26 <juhp> will fix that now...
06:09:48 <juhp> ok thanks everyone for the meeting
06:10:11 <juhp> look forward to talking with you all next week
06:10:22 <juhp> #endmeeting