05:06:41 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:06:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 31 05:06:41 2012 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:06:44 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
05:06:44 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
05:06:50 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:07:01 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-05-31
05:07:10 <anish_> hi
05:07:11 <tagoh> sorry for a bit late start.
05:07:25 <tagoh> anyway, shall we have i18n meeting now
05:07:50 <juhp> hi
05:08:00 <dueno> hi
05:09:04 <epico> hi
05:09:51 <fujiwarat> hi
05:10:02 <dingyichen> hi
05:10:05 <tagoh> okay, time to go, let's get started then.
05:10:12 <tagoh> #topic F18
05:10:36 <tagoh> f17 has been released. thanks guys for your hard work on f17!
05:11:48 <tagoh> f18 planning and development has been began. current schedule on f18 is, the feature submission deadline coming July 24.
05:12:26 <tagoh> and feature freeze is August 7
05:13:14 <tagoh> does anyone have any feature proposal so far? I can add it to the agenda to keep it on track if any.
05:13:31 <tagoh> or any suggestions for i18n features in f18?
05:16:14 <tagoh> that would be nice to have one to make it clear what kind of tests we need to do and easier to get more volunteers as feature testers, in test days say.
05:16:19 <juhp> anish_, you had a feature in mind?
05:16:36 <juhp> maybe good to list it already even before feature page as a reminder?
05:16:49 <tagoh> juhp: yeah
05:16:57 <anish_> juhp, yes i an going to file feature for ibus-hunspell
05:17:26 <tagoh> I can poke the owners to have one or ask the progress :)
05:17:47 <anish_> I am removing indic typing booster packages
05:18:16 <tagoh> added
05:18:55 <tagoh> thought I said it in the previous meeting, good to add liberation as well?
05:20:37 <tagoh> added autohint stuff too
05:20:39 <tagoh> anything more?
05:20:58 <juhp> aha
05:21:14 <juhp> epico, do you want to do a feature for ibus-libpinyin?
05:21:25 <tagoh> ah, yeah, good idea
05:21:50 <epico> juhp: okay, will create one feature page.
05:22:26 <juhp> maybe it is better to focus on gnome ibus integration upstream?
05:22:46 <juhp> though we could track the gnome feature page perhaps?
05:22:52 <tagoh> yep, sounds good. will it happens in f18 btw?
05:23:01 * juhp hopes so
05:23:16 <tagoh> juhp: ah, yep, if it covers ibus integration as well.
05:23:34 <tagoh> guess better ask the desktop team about it?
05:24:11 <tagoh> I think we could help something for that
05:24:40 <juhp> https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/IBus
05:24:49 <juhp> yes
05:25:16 <juhp> specially after all the discussion :)
05:25:19 <tagoh> ah, well, I meant our feature proposal for gnome in f18 :) I guess we may have one?
05:25:36 <juhp> ah yeah dunno perhaps
05:25:38 <juhp> fujiwarat, ?
05:25:56 <juhp> but seems we need to land it upstream really not fedora
05:26:05 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3.6
05:26:11 <juhp> well both I suppose :)
05:26:15 <tagoh> hmm, I can't find any ibus related
05:26:23 <tagoh> guess we should have one separately perhaps?
05:26:23 <pravins> hi
05:26:39 <juhp> but also some ibus work needed I guess
05:27:00 <juhp> tagoh, yeah it may be good - but I think main hurdle is upstream
05:27:07 <tagoh> right
05:27:14 <fujiwarat> I hope ibus in f18.
05:27:33 <tagoh> that's why it may be better to ask the desktop team, to update the feature page :)
05:27:38 <juhp> so let's list it definitely - and yeah can't hurt to have a fedora feature page too
05:27:45 <juhp> aha
05:27:49 <juhp> okay
05:27:59 <juhp> good idea
05:28:18 <juhp> that would be better I guess
05:28:21 <tagoh> well, it may affects to QA. good to have one since this looks like major change in the desktop and IM.
05:29:53 <tagoh> juhp: can you ask mclasen to add ibus to the feature page?
05:30:14 <tagoh> if he thinks it would be good to have separate feature, that would be even good. then we can open new one for ibus
05:30:46 <juhp> ok sure I will do that
05:31:02 <tagoh> thanks!
05:31:26 <tagoh> #action juhp to ask mclasen to add ibus to the GNOME 3.6 feature page
05:31:33 <tagoh> anything more on f18?
05:32:46 * pravins wrote blog on f17  yesterday http://pravin-s.blogspot.in/2012/05/indian-internationalization.html
05:33:30 <tagoh> pravins: cool
05:33:39 <pravins> thanks tagoh
05:34:16 <tagoh> okay, if not, let's move on.
05:34:23 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:34:37 <tagoh> any updates or conerns to share on IM?
05:35:30 <fujiwarat> I started package reviews of ibus-xkb and ibus-gjs.
05:35:48 <tagoh> fujiwarat: cool
05:37:52 <paragan> fcitx package reviews are done and pending for submitter to import in Fedora
05:38:21 <tagoh> fujiwarat: btw do you have a bug# for ibus-gjs?
05:38:35 <tagoh> paragan: aha
05:38:37 <epico> paragan: cool
05:38:57 <tagoh> paragan: thanks for reviews
05:39:15 <paragan> :)
05:39:19 <fujiwarat> fedbot: bug 825148
05:39:22 <fedbot> fujiwarat: Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=825148 medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW , Review Request: gnome-shell-extension-ibus - IBus gnome-shell-extension
05:39:34 <tagoh> fujiwarat: thanks
05:40:36 * tagoh added i18n-bugs into Cc
05:40:39 <tagoh> anything more?
05:41:52 <juhp> thanks
05:42:55 <tagoh> okay, shall we move on then?
05:43:47 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:43:56 <tagoh> any updates or concerns to share on fonts and rendering?
05:44:26 <pravins> .bug 795327
05:44:29 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 795327 [ta_IN] Request to add Lohit Tamil Classical with old Tamil ligatures of -aa and -ai - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=795327
05:44:34 <pravins> .bug 807068
05:44:37 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 807068 [ta_IN] Please fine-tune glyphs of Tamil numerals and one symbol in Lohit Tamil font - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=807068
05:44:57 <pravins> i have worked on these bug, reported tested and gave positive feedback for same, will build those soon
05:45:18 <tagoh> aha
05:46:34 <tagoh> okay, thanks for fixing anyway.
05:47:06 <tagoh> anything more?
05:49:44 <tagoh> fwiw I'm discussing in the fontconfig list now to support the feature of adding lang prior to build the pattern. this would be supposed to improve selecting the better font on even english locale.
05:50:41 <pravins> tagoh: you means specifiying lang somewhere in .spec file?
05:51:22 <tagoh> no. we have two plans so far. one is to set the env var. one is to write fonts.conf to do so.
05:51:40 <pravins> aha, got it.
05:52:42 <tagoh> it will works effectively if the config has any lang specific rules as we do in CIJK fonts.
05:53:16 <tagoh> anything more?
05:54:41 <tagoh> okay, guess better move on.
05:54:48 <tagoh> #topic Open Floor
05:55:00 <tagoh> is there any more topics we are missing in the agenda?
05:56:28 <tagoh> if not, let's close the meeting shortly
05:57:37 <tagoh> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting!
05:57:41 <tagoh> #endmeeting