06:00:34 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
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06:00:39 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
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06:00:47 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:54 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-08-09
06:00:58 <epico> hi
06:01:00 <tagoh_> okay, shall we have i18n meeting now
06:01:05 <mfabian> Hi!
06:01:54 <dueno> hi
06:02:24 <paragan> hi
06:02:29 <dchen__> hi
06:02:34 <tagoh_> hi guys
06:02:46 <fujiwarat> hi
06:03:38 <anish_> hi
06:03:41 <tagoh_> will start in 1 min
06:05:10 <tagoh_> #topic F18
06:05:17 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started.
06:05:49 <tagoh_> for feature owners, can you update your feature status and plans?
06:06:16 <tagoh_> anish_, epico: thanks for updating the feature page.
06:06:28 <tagoh_> also updated agenda now
06:06:30 <anish_> i will release i-t-b with bug fixes in this week
06:06:52 <epico> tagoh_: welcome :)
06:07:02 <anish_> tagoh_, welcome :)
06:07:13 <tagoh_> anish_: the package isn't yet available on rawhide?
06:07:22 * tagoh_ is looking at the scope
06:07:38 <anish_> it is available
06:07:50 <tagoh_> aha
06:07:55 <anish_> initial version is stable now
06:08:15 <anish_> i am going to release it another version with additional bug fixes
06:08:36 <tagoh_> can you update the scope so that we can keep tasks on track.
06:08:49 <anish_> tagoh_, sure i will do that
06:08:53 <tagoh_> thanks
06:09:02 <anish_> thank you
06:09:22 <tagoh_> epico: are you going to push the stroke editor in f18 timeframe?
06:09:38 <epico> tagoh_, yes
06:09:46 <tagoh_> prior to beta I guess?
06:10:12 <epico> sure
06:10:25 <tagoh_> okay. good
06:10:52 <tagoh_> let's see some feedback on alpha for the core functionality for ibus-libpinyin. thanks!
06:12:04 <epico> :)
06:12:44 <tagoh_> for autohinting, I may postpone it to f18+ maybe. instead better trying to estimate how many packages we can improve rendering on fonts package and if it's too much, I guess 50% or more, we can revisit it in f18+ perhaps.
06:14:19 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: how about gnome ibus integration? I don't see any updates on the feature page for a while.
06:15:13 <fujiwarat> Ah, I have to update it later. I think the first integration is done in f18.
06:15:38 <tagoh_> yep
06:16:42 <fujiwarat> Currently g-c-c can add IMEs and trigger keys and g-s-d runs ibus-daemon and gnome-shell shows ibus menus.
06:17:14 <tagoh_> yep, that's nice. do we have any solution for default engine in f18 btw?
06:17:45 <fujiwarat> I think gnome-initial-setup will handle it.
06:17:52 <tagoh_> aha. cool
06:18:25 <fujiwarat> We have the several discussions during GUADEC.
06:18:45 <tagoh_> what's the status of gnome-initial-setup?
06:18:50 <tagoh_> in Fedora I mean
06:19:08 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: aha
06:19:35 <tagoh_> any conclusion or achievements there?
06:19:46 <fujiwarat> I think xkb is not implemented in g-i-s yet after it's done, I think ibus also will be implemented.
06:20:11 <tagoh_> I see
06:20:20 <pravins> hi
06:20:24 <tagoh_> not yet packaged?
06:20:41 <paragan> and package is review is still there untouched
06:20:48 <tagoh_> oh
06:20:51 <fujiwarat> The good thing is that we agreed to have the similar GUI likes ibus panel's switcher UI.
06:21:46 <fujiwarat> Unfortunately upstream still has the concern to have the 'default' layout in IME.
06:22:05 <tagoh_> aha. what's the concern?
06:23:38 <fujiwarat> e.gi. if ara or ru is the default layout, ibus-anthy returns the keyboard chars instead of Japanese. I explained it's an expected behavior but they are not convinced.
06:23:47 <tagoh_> pravins: fwiw nice to see some updates on the feature page if any :)
06:24:34 <pravins> tagoh_: not much update, i am revisiting liberation fonts open bugs presently
06:24:47 <pravins> hoping to make feature 100% by end of next week
06:24:52 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: aha. I see the point.
06:25:07 <tagoh_> pravins: okay
06:25:19 <fujiwarat> I explained it's good to change the keyboard layout to follow the the default keymap but they don't think so.
06:26:37 <fujiwarat> Another thing is that upstream expects IME menu items are one (or two) so I will compile the menu items for IMEs later
06:27:45 <tagoh_> hm, I may have different opinion by some POVs. I see what you mean and also what upstream is concerned. quite hard to address it right.
06:28:20 <tagoh_> aha
06:28:39 <tagoh_> so is it hardcoding or ?
06:28:40 <fujiwarat> Also upstream minds the ibus v.s. fcitx.
06:28:55 <tagoh_> hm
06:29:29 <fujiwarat> Probably I need to talk about what is the difference in wubi.
06:29:48 <fujiwarat> I also agreed to implement web api.
06:30:02 <tagoh_> aha. interesting
06:30:15 <anish_> fujiwarat, web api means?
06:30:40 <fujiwarat> anish_: yes
06:30:57 <anish_> just like ibus for web
06:31:22 <fujiwarat> I'm interested in google api at first.
06:31:42 <tagoh_> anish_: presumably something like that I suppose
06:31:43 <anish_> they are not free
06:32:31 <tagoh_> okay, anything more on f18?
06:32:38 <tagoh_> or features
06:34:10 <tagoh_> if not.. we have 2 slots for test days so far. one is 4th September for i18n related, one is 6th for translations.
06:35:12 <tagoh_> it's very important even for us to make sure if i18n functionalities on f18 works and get more feedback from users to improve during the development.
06:35:55 <tagoh_> if you are going to change something from f17, you better update the test cases.
06:36:53 <tagoh_> if you need further slot to test, good to add a comment on fedora-qa ticket. they may helps to have more slots for your testing.
06:37:59 <tagoh_> will follow up later though, nice to keep up-to-date earlier
06:38:09 <tagoh_> #topic Input Methods
06:38:28 <tagoh_> any issues, concerns or an idea to share for IM?
06:41:21 <tagoh_> no?
06:41:42 <tagoh_> okay, let's move on then.
06:41:47 <tagoh_> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:42:22 <tagoh_> well, if any
06:42:36 <pravins> tagoh_: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345066#c23
06:43:04 <tagoh_> aha
06:43:58 <tagoh_> it may take some time but good to hear.
06:44:03 <pravins> yeah
06:44:46 <tagoh_> okay, anything more?
06:45:28 <pravins> tagoh_: nothing from me today
06:45:37 <tagoh_> pravins: okay, thanks
06:46:08 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:46:16 <tagoh_> okay, anything we need to discuss in the meeting?
06:47:33 <tagoh_> if not, let's close the meeting shortly
06:48:42 <tagoh_> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:48:45 <tagoh_> #endmeeting