06:01:18 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
06:01:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar  7 06:01:18 2013 UTC.  The chair is tagoh_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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06:01:19 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
06:01:19 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:01:20 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:01:20 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-03-07
06:01:31 <tagoh_> okay, shall we have i18n meeting
06:02:52 * justiceh im here
06:03:09 <dueno> hi
06:03:43 <dan408> hi tagoh_ and friends
06:04:25 <tagoh_> dan408: hi
06:05:10 <dan408> tagoh_: jsut here to say hi and say +1
06:05:35 <tagoh_> :)
06:05:53 <justiceh> im a rookie in QA so here to watch and maybe give my opinion if convenient for the subject at hand
06:06:05 <epico> hi
06:06:16 <tagoh_> justiceh: cool
06:06:20 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started.
06:06:25 <fujiwarat> hi
06:06:35 <mfabian> hi
06:06:35 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:06:36 <tagoh_> #info 2013-03-12        Feature Freeze--Planning & Development Ends
06:06:36 <tagoh_> #info 2013-03-12        Branch Fedora 19 from Rawhide
06:06:36 <tagoh_> #info 2013-04-02        Branch Freeze
06:06:37 <tagoh_> #info 2013-04-02        Software String Freeze
06:06:37 <tagoh_> #info 2013-04-02        Alpha Change Deadline
06:06:52 <tagoh_> well, feature freeze is coming next Tuesday.
06:07:54 <tagoh_> will catch up later on for our feature though, good to keep it in mind
06:08:13 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topics
06:08:13 <tagoh_> #info #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh)
06:08:14 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/16
06:09:06 <tagoh_> updated draft is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tagoh/Draft/I18n_Test_Day
06:09:58 <tagoh_> since test cases can be referred from bodhi, having result section in test cases may be noisy. so I've changed it to have separate pages for result only.
06:10:52 <pravins> hi
06:10:58 <paragan> hi
06:11:18 <tagoh_> dunno how many traffic is there though, having separate pages per test cases may be too many. so I'd try to split up against some categories this time and see how it works.
06:11:40 <tagoh_> we can improve it in f19+ if it still has an issue.
06:11:46 <tagoh_> any comments?
06:12:02 <justiceh> i agree on categories
06:13:15 <justiceh> easier to sort out.. even regardless of the traffic imo
06:13:45 <tagoh_> yep
06:14:21 <tagoh_> any other comments? :) if no more, I'll update the i18n test day page with this idea.
06:16:51 <tagoh_> okay, will do it that way.
06:17:12 <tagoh_> #action tagoh_ to update the i18n test day page according to the draft
06:17:33 <tagoh_> #info #18: F19 i18n docbeats (tagoh)
06:17:34 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/18
06:18:56 <tagoh_> not yet reflecting an idea from last meeting to docbeats
06:19:31 <tagoh_> is there anything else we are planning to update/improve since f18 and worth mentioning in relnotes?
06:20:03 <tagoh_> how about input methods? and fonts?
06:20:59 <justiceh> fonts definatly, and I hear from a friend in fedora-fr IRC that the input methods are being worked in if im correct
06:21:15 <justiceh> worked on*
06:21:32 <tagoh_> aha
06:22:15 <tagoh_> pravins: is there anything from you? :)
06:22:49 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: how about ibus?
06:23:06 <pravins> tagoh_: nothing today :)
06:24:09 <tagoh_> maybe good to check GNOME's feature page though, if they don't take care of any, maybe good to add something improved in 3.8.
06:24:25 <tagoh_> about input methods
06:24:50 <tagoh_> pravins: so no major updates in Lohit nor Liberation this time right?
06:25:16 <tagoh_> I should add something about fonts-tweak-tool to relnotes maybe.
06:25:48 <fujiwarat> Recently I implemented use-system-keyboard property for ibus 1.5 and currently I'm working on launching the second engine before typing ctrl+space.
06:26:56 <epico> cool
06:27:14 <mfabian> fujiwarat: By the way, what does “use-system-keyboard” do? I am a bit confused about the meaning of this option.
06:27:46 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: aha. if you think it's worth adding into relnotes, feel free to add it. once all proposals are there, we can review it and polish before pushing.
06:28:18 <fujiwarat> mfabian: It means not to run setxkbmap for both xkb and input method engines in ibus-ui-gtk3.
06:28:58 <pravins> tagoh_: Lohit kannada has major enhancements
06:29:00 <mfabian> Does that mean that the keyboard layout is not changed when switching engines? That would be nice for me.
06:29:11 <pravins> I was planning for having Latin shapes in Lohit but still no improvement on that line
06:29:25 <fujiwarat> mfabian: yes.
06:29:56 <tagoh_> pravins: aha. do you want to add it to relnotes? if yes, please do.
06:30:04 <mfabian> Ah, good, in f18 I had some problems with ibus always overwriting my own keyboard layout, so your option will help there, thank you!
06:30:22 <pravins> tagoh_: yes, definitely i will update it
06:30:29 <tagoh_> cool
06:30:46 <fujiwarat> mfabian: btw, it's for ibus-ui-gtk3 but not gnome-shell.
06:31:09 <mfabian> That means it works in non-Gnome desktops, right?
06:31:16 <tagoh_> any volunteers about tw btw?
06:31:40 <justiceh> mfabian, yes
06:31:57 <fujiwarat> mfabian: Right. I'm not sure if gnome can agree with the similar implementation.
06:33:36 <fujiwarat> If users wish to switch a custom layout and an xkb engine, another fix would be needed:
06:33:42 <fujiwarat> https://code.google.com/p/ibus/issues/detail?id=1598
06:34:10 <fujiwarat> But currently we think use-system-keyboard property would be enough.
06:35:28 <tagoh_> anything else?
06:36:52 <tagoh_> we still have a time to think about what should be mentioned in relnotes. feel free to add later on if you think it would be good.
06:37:39 <tagoh_> let's move on
06:37:55 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding task
06:37:55 <tagoh_> #info #15: F19 Feature: libkkc (ueno)
06:37:55 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/15
06:38:23 <tagoh_> dueno: can you update the feature page please?
06:38:32 <tagoh_> if you made some progress
06:39:22 <dueno> sure, will update progress to 90% or so
06:39:58 <dueno> I think only UI is left unfinished (except minor tuning)
06:39:59 <tagoh_> I guess this feature is testable now as the package is also available in f18 too so I'm not so concerned about schedule so far.
06:40:14 <tagoh_> sure
06:41:47 <tagoh_> dueno: maybe good to create a test case for test day too.
06:42:09 <dueno> sure, will do
06:42:14 <tagoh_> thanks!
06:43:01 <tagoh_> dueno: anything else about kkc?
06:43:26 <anish_> hi
06:44:54 <dueno> tagoh_, that's all, thanks for reminding
06:45:17 <tagoh_> okay, thanks
06:45:26 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:45:43 <tagoh_> anything else we want to discuss before closing this meeting?
06:47:21 <justiceh> tagoh_, would you like me to confirm what going on with the input methods with my friend on fedora-fr ?? he's been working on a project i could ask for more precisions maybe
06:48:53 <tagoh_> justiceh: what's that issue?
06:50:40 <justiceh> im not exactly sure on what he is working but i know it involves the input methods in 3.8... other than that i dont know where is work got him.. i could just ask for more infos on that and maybe it could help on this side of things.. like mentionned in topic #1 of today's meeting
06:51:37 <tagoh_> if it's related to ibus, fujiwarat might helps him.
06:52:39 <justiceh> he might like the input ill make sure he get the fujiwarat 's contact info .. i believe it is related to ibus
06:54:19 <tagoh_> okay
06:54:42 <justiceh> sorry i cant give more info right now just felt like i should mention it
06:54:56 <justiceh> i dont have anything else tagoh_
06:56:23 <tagoh_> sure. maybe good to try catching us up on #fedora-i18n. I can help if it's something I can do.
06:57:16 <justiceh> will do
06:57:42 <tagoh_> if no more topics to discuss, let's stop here then.
06:59:54 <tagoh_> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting!
07:00:00 <tagoh_> #endmeeting