06:02:09 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
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06:02:09 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
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06:02:10 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:02:10 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-11-13
06:02:16 <anish_> Hi
06:02:20 <tagoh_> okay, shall we have i18n meeting?
06:02:44 <juhp> hi
06:02:59 <mfabian> Hi!
06:03:50 <paragan> hi
06:04:53 <epico> hi
06:05:55 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started
06:06:00 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:06:00 <tagoh_> #info 2013-11-12        Beta Release
06:06:00 <tagoh_> #info 2013-11-26        Final Change Deadline
06:06:01 <tagoh_> #info 2013-12-10        Fedora 20 Final Release
06:06:57 <tagoh_> as you may read final change deadline and release date has been set one week earlier
06:07:21 <pravins> hi
06:07:41 <skore> hi
06:08:08 <tagoh_> and f21 changes submission is now open. if you are planning to propose something for f21.
06:08:13 <dueno> hi
06:08:44 <tagoh_> will create a tracker ticket for us later
06:09:15 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding task
06:09:16 <tagoh_> #info #23: Fedora 20 i18n test day (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:09:16 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/23
06:09:30 <tagoh_> lijli: thanks for updates btw
06:10:14 <tagoh_> anyone who are still testing or not yet updating your results?
06:10:30 <tagoh_> if not, I'll close this ticket with the final report about test day though
06:11:00 <lijli> tagoh_, np
06:12:13 <tagoh_> will wait by this Friday and close then.
06:12:22 <juhp> lijli, can you and Satya help with filing pending bugs?
06:13:45 <tagoh_> if it's reproducible, that would be nice
06:14:25 <lijli> juhp, btw, which are those pending bugs?
06:14:47 <juhp> lijli, those listed in in the ticket I mean
06:15:14 <juhp> unless I am missing something
06:15:46 <lijli> juhp, ah, those 'not in bz? ' issues?
06:15:53 <tagoh_> right
06:16:07 <juhp> nod
06:16:28 <lijli> tagoh_, juhp okay, we will review those.
06:16:38 <tagoh_> lijli: thanks
06:16:45 <lijli> tagoh_, nps
06:18:43 <tagoh_> anything else about test day?
06:21:14 <tagoh_> okay, please update the wiki if you aren't yet doing.
06:21:17 <tagoh_> move on then
06:21:30 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topics
06:21:30 <tagoh_> #info #26: proposal: move to using IMEs for ASCII/Latin input (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:21:31 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/26
06:22:21 <tagoh_> juhp: any updates? thought you are planning to move the idea on trac to the wiki or so
06:23:27 <juhp> I have been busy - did some initial summarizing...
06:23:44 <tagoh_> I see
06:23:45 <juhp> let me post what I have - sorry for last minute
06:24:03 <tagoh_> can you update the ticket once you are ready then?
06:25:35 <juhp> https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/26#comment:6
06:25:40 <juhp> there
06:26:17 <tagoh_> ah, thanks
06:27:23 <juhp> probably it could be condensed more but now I grouped the ideas and combined/eliminated some recurring themese
06:27:26 <juhp> themes
06:29:56 <tagoh_> yep, looks well summarized. great
06:33:55 <tagoh_> any comments from anyone else?
06:36:07 <pravins> juhp: looks nice now
06:36:11 <juhp> I edited a little more...
06:36:20 <juhp> so where to go next?
06:36:39 <pravins> i think it should be Change proposal for F21
06:37:17 <tagoh_> yep, sounds good
06:38:13 <juhp> aha
06:38:36 <juhp> yeah that is possible I guess - except bit late for gnome perhaps hmm
06:38:58 <juhp> still we can see how much scope we can get into f21
06:40:29 <juhp> fujiwarat, dueno: any comments?
06:41:13 <tagoh_> we still have a time to prepare things. so hope we can do that as many as possible
06:41:24 <juhp> okay
06:41:34 <fujiwarat> Sorry still too bad condition to read your summary.
06:41:43 <juhp> fujiwarat, okay np
06:41:49 <juhp> we can discuss later
06:43:13 <tagoh_> okay so discuss this in next meeting then?
06:45:24 <juhp> okay
06:45:38 <juhp> I wonder how many people use different keyboards?
06:46:05 <juhp> but if they do they can use keyboard input sources for those I guess
06:48:36 <juhp> of course F21 is still a bit "up in the air" with the 3 new products - I guess this mostly affects Workstation
06:48:50 <tagoh_> yep
06:49:32 <tagoh_> dunno how many but I guess not too much
06:50:54 <tagoh_> #info #25: Bugs Corner (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:50:55 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/25
06:51:02 <tagoh_> any bugs we want to share today?
06:53:47 <mfabian> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1028207
06:54:02 <juhp> .bug 1028207
06:54:06 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 1028207 non US keyboard layouts not working at console - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1028207
06:54:42 <mfabian> I am trying to debug this by adding debug code to vconsole-setup.c (in systemd)
06:55:18 <mfabian> I see the debug output in journalctl when I call “sudo systemctl restart systemd-vconsole-setup.service” after the boot is finished.
06:55:33 <mfabian> But in that case, it also works correctly.
06:56:08 <mfabian> Earlier, during booting, when systemd-vconsole-setup.service is started (and fails), I do not see my debug output.
06:56:52 <mfabian> Why? I really don’t understand why the debug output shows up in journalctl when I start this service manually later but not when it is started automatically during booting.
06:57:58 <juhp> do you need to run drscut?
06:58:10 <juhp> a
06:59:03 <mfabian> Ah, you mean there is a different binary used early during booting, not the binary with my debug code?
06:59:04 <juhp> sounds like this is another bootstrap hell issue like we saw earlier in f19 with locale/unicode state
06:59:07 <mfabian> That would explain it!
06:59:11 <juhp> perhaps
06:59:38 <mfabian> Good idea, I’ll try to use dracut.
06:59:47 <juhp> cool
07:00:20 <juhp> I see it is marked as a Common_bug now...
07:00:31 <juhp> and Blocker
07:01:16 <juhp> does loadkeys fix the problem?
07:02:19 * juhp didn't understand "grep -5"
07:02:21 <mfabian> Yes, just wrote the comment.
07:02:27 <juhp> great thanks
07:03:06 <mfabian> I think Adam meant “grep -C 5”
07:03:26 <mfabian> Ah, “grep -5” is the same as “grep -C 5” ...
07:03:53 <juhp> ah yes nod
07:04:07 <juhp> I think I finally guessed that the other day and then forgot again
07:04:11 <juhp> thanks
07:06:19 <tagoh_> okay, anything else?
07:07:25 <lijli> juhp, tagoh_ , (ja-jp)"yum langinfo only lists langpacks for installed packages"
07:07:50 <lijli> tagoh_, I think it's by design? not an issue.
07:07:58 <juhp> I think that is expected right
07:08:01 <juhp> paragan, ?
07:08:54 <juhp> might be into lunchtime in Pune...
07:09:14 <juhp> lijli, I think you can verify with Parag later
07:09:28 <lijli> juhp, okay
07:09:32 <lijli> thanks
07:10:21 <paragan> juhp, I am working on this currently
07:10:30 <juhp> ah ok
07:10:38 <paragan> will fix the langinfo command
07:10:42 <juhp> so it is a bug?
07:10:46 <paragan> yes
07:10:50 <juhp> I see
07:11:24 <paragan> current langinfo command generated output from existing basic packages installed for langpacks
07:11:37 <paragan> but it should get the information for the configured repository
07:12:22 <lijli> juhp, ah, so will you file a bug for it or do I ?
07:12:55 <lijli> paragan, I see, thanks.
07:13:01 <juhp> paragan, do you want a bug or have one?
07:13:11 <paragan> I need a bug for it
07:13:23 <juhp> lijli, if you could file that would be appreciated :)
07:16:52 <lijli> juhp, okay, will file it.
07:16:57 <juhp> thanks
07:17:58 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
07:18:10 <tagoh_> okay, anything else we want to discuss before stop the meeting?
07:21:26 <tagoh_> alright, let's stop here then
07:21:32 <tagoh_> thanks everyone for the meeting!
07:21:36 <tagoh_> #endmeeting