06:00:43 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n
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06:00:47 <pravins> #meetingname i18n
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06:00:52 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:56 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-01-14
06:00:58 <pravins> hi all
06:01:00 <fujiwarat> hi
06:01:00 <anish_> Hi
06:01:02 <shilpa> hi
06:01:03 <mfabian> Hi!
06:01:04 <epico> hi
06:01:25 <pravins> hi fujiwarat , anish_, shilpa , mfabian and epico :)
06:01:33 <pravins> hoping we will have a quick meeting today.
06:01:59 <paragan> hi
06:02:04 <pravins> lets move ahead till other joining
06:02:08 <pravins> hi paragan :)
06:02:13 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:02:18 <pravins> #info 2014-12-09 	Fedora 21 Final Release
06:02:18 <pravins> #info 2015-01-20 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
06:02:18 <pravins> #info no earlier than 2015-02-10 	Branch Fedora 22 from Rawhide
06:02:52 <tagoh__> hi
06:02:53 <juhp> hi
06:03:09 <pravins> hi tagoh__ juhp :)
06:03:21 <pravins> no, new update in schedule
06:03:24 <pravins> tentative 2015-01-28 	Side Tag Builds Deadline
06:03:24 <pravins> tentative 2015-01-30 	Mass Rebuild
06:03:43 <juhp> btw I think the schedule was updated
06:04:08 <juhp> 2015-02-10 	Branch Fedora 22 from Rawhide
06:04:35 <juhp> also
06:04:37 <juhp> tentative 2015-01-28 	Side Tag Builds Deadline
06:04:38 <juhp> tentative 2015-01-30 	Mass Rebuild
06:04:41 <pravins> juhp: right, missed to update agenda page.
06:04:51 <juhp> :)
06:04:56 <juhp> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/Schedule
06:05:03 <pravins> 2015-03-10 	Alpha Release
06:05:27 <pravins> good, we have 2 month to push our changes.
06:05:41 <pravins> thank you juhp :)
06:05:48 <pravins> #topic New topics
06:05:48 <pravins> #info #40: Fedora 22 planning (pravins)
06:05:48 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40
06:06:04 <pravins> As discussed in last meeting we have around 3-4 planned changes.
06:06:23 <pravins> #link  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit2_Odia_Telugu
06:06:26 <pravins> it is announced now.
06:07:00 <pravins> anish_: did you updated change page?
06:07:09 <anish_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/minglish
06:07:11 <anish_> yeah
06:08:03 <pravins> mfabian: also i saw change proposal having your name https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewDefaultConsoleFont
06:08:27 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewDefaultConsoleFont
06:08:32 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/minglish
06:08:56 <pravins> one more i created just now for Glibc :)
06:09:00 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_Unicode_7
06:09:16 <pravins> paragan: what happens about DNF Lang pack?
06:09:18 <mfabian> Yes, but Marko Myllynen is mostly doing that font change thing.
06:09:44 <pravins> mfabian: i think good to track that from i18n perspective.
06:09:44 <paragan> pravins, I will keep this pending till last date but its almost ready to move to wrangler
06:09:53 <pravins> paragan: sure.
06:10:21 <pravins> Lets review these proposals quickly and see if anything missing into it.
06:10:31 <pravins> 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit2_Odia_Telugu
06:12:50 <juhp> pravins, you probably mean "During Fedora 22 development cycle" ?
06:13:08 <pravins> juhp: yes
06:13:51 <pravins> done change!!
06:13:57 <pravins> lets move to next proposals
06:14:04 <pravins> 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/minglish
06:15:20 <pravins> anish_: i think good to add information regarding Marathi language in Summary. Might be link from Wikipedia specifying number of Marathi language speaker, country.
06:15:41 <anish_> pravins, okay thanks
06:16:07 <mfabian> To make that “minglish” input method work with ibus-typing-booster, I need to make AltGr work in ibus-typing-booster (also needed for inscript2). I hope I can find a way to do that.
06:16:53 <pravins> mfabian: yes, that will be great, if we can do in Fedora 22.
06:17:38 <tagoh__> do we want to change the default IME for Marathi in f22?
06:18:46 <anish_> tagoh__,no default is inscript which is gov standard
06:19:12 <anish_> we could change that though
06:19:42 <pravins> anish_: also we need to add "Proposal owners: " and information regarding what work one need to do for completing feature.
06:20:09 <pravins> it comes under scope.
06:20:23 <juhp> anish_, minor thing but it is good practice to put Space after punctuation ('.' ',' etc)
06:20:32 <pravins> i.e. whether we are pushing this new input method .mim file in upstream or just patch to Fedora.
06:21:00 <juhp> (sometimes you do already)
06:21:09 <anish_> juhp, thanks!
06:21:33 <anish_> pravins, okay I will add that thanks
06:22:00 <pravins> I think we can improve How to test section later, may be add link to how to add input layout in Ibus
06:22:59 <juhp> anish_, I say minor but it improves readability a lot
06:23:07 <pravins> anish_:  with this update we can move https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/minglish to ChangeReadyForWrangler
06:23:19 <anish_> okay
06:23:35 <pravins> 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewDefaultConsoleFont
06:23:51 <juhp> anish_, I think you can drop the "dependency on ibus"
06:24:10 <anish_> juhp, aha!
06:24:32 <juhp> anish_, dependency would be on m17n upstream/package say
06:25:00 <anish_> juhp, it will be m17n-db
06:25:32 <pravins> mfabian: how about adding locales code as well with "European based languages" in summary. If is not very large in number.
06:26:01 <juhp> the Change looks good to me overall
06:26:11 <anish_> thanks!
06:26:31 <juhp> I meant NewDefaultConsoleFont :)
06:26:42 <anish_> :)
06:26:57 <juhp> pravins, there are probably a lot
06:27:39 <pravins> just thought in might be good, or may be we can add link to more information page.
06:27:45 <juhp> though a complete list of languages locales affected might be interesting
06:28:21 <mfabian> pravins: should be quite a large number ...
06:28:22 <juhp> iirc most locales will now use the new font
06:28:27 <juhp> iiuc
06:28:48 <juhp> though we don't use CIJK on the console
06:29:03 <pravins> mfabian: also tracker bug used to get reported by Wrangler * Tracker bug: <will be assigned by the Wrangler>
06:29:29 <juhp> so maybe a list of locales that won't use the new font would be more helpful perhaps
06:29:49 <juhp> mfabian, I guess it will need some minor changes to fonttable?
06:29:56 <juhp> erm langtable!
06:30:34 <mfabian> Yes, that’s why Marko added my name to the owners of that changes page.
06:31:05 <juhp> :)
06:31:28 <juhp> ok thought so
06:31:28 <pravins> mfabian: :)
06:31:53 <juhp> mfabian, it is probably good to do that before Alpha if possible
06:33:15 <pravins> yeah, it will be good to have most of the changes included in Alpha.
06:33:37 <pravins> And also  Contingency deadline: Beta, so if problem persist we can remove it in Beta.
06:33:53 <pravins> next one.
06:34:10 <pravins> 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_Unicode_7
06:34:18 <pravins> just wrote this before start of the meeting
06:35:45 <pravins> feel free to correct and update :)
06:36:08 <pravins> we (me and parag) had meeting with siddhesh yesterday regarding Glibc Unicode update.
06:36:37 <pravins> upstream planning to include our changes in Glibc 2.22, which is not going to land in Fedora 22 release.
06:36:52 <pravins> Other option was to have changes in Fedora by patch.
06:36:56 <pravins> to me it looks fine.
06:37:21 <pravins> since, rather than resting our patches in bugzilla, good if user actually start using it.
06:38:10 <pravins> and in any issue happens we can fix it in Fedora 22 and upstream will get more better patch for 2.22 release to get replicated every where.
06:38:50 <pravins> how do you feel about it?
06:40:33 <juhp> pravins, so does it mean you are targetting f23 or backport?
06:41:02 <pravins> juhp: no, we will have patched glibc in Fedora 22.
06:41:05 <juhp> okay
06:41:11 <juhp> I see
06:41:41 <pravins> next glibc release 2.22 will happens around aug 2015.
06:41:51 <pravins> s/happens/happen
06:42:23 <pravins> If Glibc developers agree for this, i think we should go ahead for Fedora 22 itself.
06:42:52 <pravins> one more change proposal we wanted to discuss was DNF LAng pack but as paragan mentioned it not yet ready. Will not do that.
06:44:04 <pravins> mfabian: do you find it useful  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_Unicode_7  ?
06:44:12 <paragan> pravins, if anyone want to look the page is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DnfLangpacksPlugin
06:44:19 <mfabian> Yes, it looks OK to me.
06:44:44 <pravins> mfabian: thanks :)
06:45:38 <pravins> paragan: sure.
06:45:56 <pravins> i will take review from siddhesh on change proposal and move it to ready for wrangle state.
06:46:14 <pravins> lets move to last topic.
06:46:15 <pravins> #info #41: Need to check whether any F22 proposed change affect i18n (pravins)
06:46:18 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/41
06:46:28 <pravins> Few more changes got announced last week.
06:46:36 <pravins> #link  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RpmOstree
06:46:42 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver
06:46:49 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SSHD_PermitRootLogin_no
06:46:54 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Harden_all_packages_with_position-independent_code
06:46:59 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby_2.2
06:47:05 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F22Boost158
06:49:07 <pravins> "To restrict remote root login facility in sshd(8) by default." SSHD interesting :)
06:50:07 <pravins> nothing looks related to i18n at least to me :)
06:50:45 <pravins> lets continue discussion meanwhile will move to next topic :)
06:50:46 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
06:50:57 <epico> Yesterday one colleague asked a question:
06:51:06 <epico> On 64-bit fedora, 32-bit skype needs ibus-qt.i686 to work, but ibus-qt.i686 is not installed by default.
06:51:13 <epico> Is it possible to let yum/dnf to pull in ibus-qt.i686?
06:52:43 <paragan> you can install it separately
06:52:52 <epico> paragan, right
06:53:11 <epico> any way to auto install it? ;)
06:53:17 <pravins> how if we give full name there $yum install ibus-qt-1.3.3-4.fc22.i686.rpm ?
06:53:37 <tagoh__> sounds like a packaging issue. they could do pull it with yum localinstall if they set the proper requires in their spec I suppose
06:53:49 <epico> he used "yum install ibus-qt.i686".
06:53:52 <pravins> hmm, "No package ibus-qt-1.3.3-4.fc22.i686.rpm available."  :)
06:53:53 <paragan> if there is any i686 package to be installed that needs ibus-qt.i686 then it will be pulled
06:54:25 <paragan> that mean ibus-qt is not multilib then one need to explicitly pull it
06:54:53 <pravins> lets start another topic as well..to save time.
06:54:58 <juhp> epico, I thought yum localinstall can do that?
06:55:00 <epico> okay, just got some reports of ibus-gtk*.i686 also...
06:55:07 <pravins> I was thinking to organize FAD for internationalization team.
06:55:18 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_-_FAD
06:55:25 <pravins> "The Fedora Activity Day (FAD) is a regional event (either one-day or a multi-day) that allows Fedora contributors to gather together in order to work on specific tasks related to the Fedora Project. "
06:55:36 <juhp> but may depend on the case perhaps
06:55:50 <epico> the problem is that some new users don't know how to fix it...
06:57:04 <epico> if ibus-qt.x86_64 and 32-bit libraries is installed, could it auto install ibus-qt.i686?
06:57:04 <paragan> when there is no automation then new users need to provide that information
06:57:17 <juhp> pravins, maybe s/team/project/ :)
06:57:24 <epico> just a thought.
06:57:47 <pravins> juhp: right for internationalization project  :)
06:57:51 <pravins> things we have in hand are
06:57:54 <epico> got such question for several times...
06:58:00 <pravins> 1. Proposed changes for Fedora 22
06:58:07 <pravins> 2. Planning for Fedora 23.
06:58:29 <pravins> question At hand are.
06:58:36 <pravins> 1. should we do it?
06:58:44 <pravins> 2. when to do it? dates
06:58:48 <juhp> epico, it is a good question, and known issue - I believe currently it is not possible without devel packages involved
06:58:49 <pravins> 3. where to do it?
06:59:02 <anish_> pravins, nice idea
06:59:09 <anish_> may be we should it
06:59:26 <juhp> epico, perhaps we could bring it to the dnf people and see if they want to do something about it
06:59:36 <pravins> third task At hand might
06:59:47 <epico> juhp, sure.
06:59:49 <pravins> 3. i18n thinking from Fedora product perspective.
07:00:09 * pravins messing up with numbers ;)
07:00:29 <anish_> most difficult talk is when and where
07:00:37 <pravins> anish_: yes.
07:01:07 <pravins> We had some fad last year https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014
07:01:59 <pravins> ok, lets think for FAD and have more discussion next time.
07:02:16 <pravins> we can also discuss same on #fedora-i18n
07:02:26 * pravins closing meeting in 2 minutes
07:04:37 <pravins> thank you all for nice meeting.
07:04:41 <pravins> #endmeeting