06:00:46 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n
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06:00:50 <pravins> #meetingname i18n
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06:00:52 <mfabian> Hi ☺
06:00:54 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:58 <pravins> hi mfabian :)
06:01:06 <juhp> hi
06:01:11 <pravins> who else there? :)
06:01:29 <ueno> hi
06:02:13 <epico> hi
06:02:17 <pravins> hi juhp ueno epico :)
06:02:44 <pravins> We had our Fedora 22 awesome release yesterday.
06:03:04 <pravins> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-22-released/
06:03:11 <pravins> so everyone on Fedora 22 now?
06:03:20 <mfabian> I updated yesterday.
06:03:21 * pravins still have to update :(
06:03:33 <pravins> mfabian: great.
06:04:06 <paragan> hi
06:04:10 <pravins> hi paragan :)
06:04:26 * paragan is also using F22 :)
06:04:26 <mfabian> Went well, but I had the strange effect that the external keyboard and mouse was not working. After plugging the keyboard and mouse out and in again a few times, it finally started working, after reboot it stopped working again.
06:05:00 <pravins> mfabian: you did fresh install?
06:05:12 <mfabian> Update from Fedora 21. With fedup.
06:05:18 <juhp> mfabian, oh
06:06:16 <pravins> i will test for same and update if any issue.
06:06:32 <pravins> #action pravins to test F22 with external keyboard and mouse.
06:06:41 <pravins> lets move to our meeting agenda :)
06:06:48 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-05-27
06:06:53 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:07:12 <pravins> #info 2015-06-23 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
06:07:23 <pravins> We have less than one month for SW changes.
06:07:56 <fujiwarat> hi
06:08:03 <pravins> hi fujiwarat :)
06:08:37 <juhp> any ideas yet?
06:08:55 <pravins> We have only one (bi-weekly)  meeting  in between this deadline.
06:09:03 <juhp> hm
06:09:04 <pravins> juhp: good question.
06:09:30 <pravins> lets discuss on F23 change ideas
06:09:41 <pravins> #topic New topics
06:09:48 <pravins> #info #50: Feature/Change planning for Fedora 23 (pravins)
06:09:52 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/50
06:10:16 <pravins> let me ping everyone and see if they have any ideas :)
06:10:38 <pravins> fujiwarat: ueno mfabian paragan epico tagoh_ juhp do we have any ideas/plan for F23?
06:11:27 <pravins> juhp: you was mentioned regarding Workstation todo list, does it help to us in planning?
06:11:41 <epico> maybe try to switch default Traditional Chinese ime to ibus-libzhuyin.
06:11:44 <juhp> mfabian, I think the locales subpackaging would be a good one - together with glibc team
06:11:49 <juhp> epico, yes
06:11:56 <mfabian> juhp: OK.
06:12:32 <pravins> #idea try to switch default Traditional Chinese IME to ibus-libzhuyin
06:12:33 <juhp> pravins, right - it could
06:12:59 <pravins> #idea locales sub-packaging with glibc team
06:13:42 <fujiwarat> Next ibus will show the language prefix in KDE5. support $HOME/.XCompose in gtk panel.
06:13:50 <pravins> epico: nice idea, do you think will get any objection for it?
06:14:31 <pravins> do we have link for workstation todo list?
06:14:37 <paragan> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Tasklist
06:14:52 <tagoh_> hi
06:14:57 <pravins> hi tagoh_ :)
06:15:06 <aeng> hi
06:15:10 <pravins> thanks paragan
06:15:22 <pravins> hi aeng :)
06:15:47 * pravins going through Workstation Tasklist
06:15:56 <epico> pravins, one volunteer actively begins to report bugs on it, after fixed them, I think it will be okay for switching.
06:16:36 <juhp> good
06:17:35 <pravins> epico:  looks good. lets propose it as a Change :)
06:17:40 <epico> sure
06:18:19 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Tasklist :- Wayland - IBUS   it mentions ueno as well
06:18:59 <juhp> yes I think Wayland IM is something we can consider for f23?
06:19:55 <pravins> agree !!
06:20:18 <pravins> #idea  Wayland IM for F23.
06:20:35 <pravins> #agree for Change proposal of "Switch default Traditional Chinese IME to ibus-libzhuyin"
06:21:13 <pravins> I am planning to propose "default fonts audit" in flock.
06:21:48 <pravins> we have lots of old font as a default in Fedora. We got number of good qualities fonts from Noto project now also there are some other projects.
06:22:06 <pravins> We need to see if we can do audit and improve default fonts offering.
06:22:17 <tagoh_> interesting
06:22:30 <juhp> pravins, for f23/f24?
06:23:01 <pravins> juhp: We should try for F23.
06:23:36 <pravins> #idea Audit of default fonts for languages in Fedora 23
06:24:25 <pravins> will need comments from language experts before doing this.
06:24:46 <pravins> couple of pending task.
06:25:24 <pravins> https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36  "gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages"
06:26:08 <pravins> This ticket gradually became just disabling XKB indic layouts though :)
06:26:11 <pravins> even that is pending.
06:26:47 <juhp> I think we could suggest and make some UI improvements too though
06:27:01 <pravins> juhp: this does not looks in todo list of Workstation WG as well.
06:27:19 <juhp> true
06:27:42 <pravins> #idea Gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages
06:27:43 <juhp> pravins, I am not very clear though what does upstream and what lands on WS tasks though
06:27:47 <tagoh_> not that big deal they think or just forgot about it?
06:27:50 <juhp> goes
06:28:10 <juhp> I think g-c-c changes need to be done upstream anyway
06:28:11 <pravins> tagoh_: yes, possible. :)
06:29:36 <pravins> one more point is
06:30:16 <pravins> How about going through Cloud and Server stuff?
06:30:33 <juhp> good idea
06:30:44 <pravins> may be we should test/use these products and see if anything pending on us.
06:30:45 <juhp> do they have task lists too?
06:30:54 * pravins not sure.
06:31:02 <juhp> pravins, it is a good idea
06:31:27 <pravins> #idea going through cloud and server todo list. Test/use cloud and server and see whats missing from i18n.
06:32:58 <pravins> might be we will get next Unicode release soon.
06:33:57 <mfabian> We can update the glibc files again easily now.
06:34:00 <juhp> ah yes
06:34:02 <juhp> 8.0
06:34:10 <pravins> mfabian: yes.
06:34:40 <pravins> #idea updating glibc localedata to Unicode 8.0.0 if releases in F23 development cycle
06:34:43 <pravins> #link http://blog.unicode.org/2015/03/unicode-80-beta-review.html
06:35:41 <pravins> #idea fujiwarat IBus improvements for KDE5
06:35:49 <pravins> #undo
06:35:49 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: IDEA by pravins at 06:35:41 : fujiwarat IBus improvements for KDE5
06:35:57 <pravins> #idea IBus improvements for KDE5
06:36:49 <pravins> Got number of ideas :)
06:37:12 <pravins> Now we need someone to takeover those.
06:37:12 <paragan> nice :)
06:37:21 <pravins> lets discuss more in next meeting.
06:37:44 <pravins> lets go quickly through other tickets
06:37:45 <pravins> #info #40: Fedora 22 Changes (pravins)
06:37:49 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40
06:38:05 <pravins> We can close this ticket now.
06:38:36 <pravins> Thanks all for proposing and completing change proposals in Fedora 22.
06:38:45 <pravins> Change proposals are really nice way to track improvements.
06:39:38 <juhp> +1 thanks
06:40:24 <pravins> #agreed to close this Fedora 22 Change ticket #40
06:40:35 <pravins> #info #43: I18n FAD in 2015 (pravins)
06:40:39 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43
06:40:46 <paragan> nice work by all in F22 :)
06:40:55 <pravins> paragan: +1 !!
06:41:07 <pravins> I have not recieived any response from FPL on update proposal.
06:41:21 <pravins> s/recieived/received
06:41:26 <pravins> I will ping him soon.
06:42:06 <pravins> thanks tagoh_ paragan juhp epico for adding your names in participants.
06:42:17 <epico> welcome
06:42:27 <pravins> tagoh_: i think you will be local and no need travel :)
06:42:56 <tagoh_> pravins: ah, right
06:43:42 <paragan> I think we are missing then ueno and fujiwarat
06:44:59 <paragan> we also need to check if any other people also want to join this FAD and can add their names
06:45:17 <paragan> from l10n, zanata group
06:47:14 <paragan> let's revisit this in next meeting and spread the news about this FAD
06:49:35 <pravins> paragan: exactly !!
06:50:27 <pravins> since we have number of points from g11n perspective good to have people from zanata, fltg and l10n
06:50:32 <pravins> aeng: ^^
06:50:54 <pravins> moving to next ticket
06:50:55 <pravins> #info #49: Internationalization talking points for Fedora 22 (pravins)
06:50:58 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/49
06:51:05 <pravins> I was not aware we do have generic page for this.
06:51:11 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_talking_points
06:51:23 <pravins> Good to add our talking points here.
06:51:49 <pravins> Unfortunately i did not found time to work on this.
06:52:16 <pravins> need help from all of you. to make it complete.
06:52:33 <pravins> #action Pravin to add points in talking points.
06:52:42 <pravins> anyone planning any blog for Fedora 22?
06:53:08 <pravins> even if we write specifically improvement done from individual side that is fine. We can link it later.
06:53:14 <juhp> not late for talking points?
06:53:47 <pravins> may be late for that page.
06:54:11 <pravins> but we can keep talking on Fedora 22 for next couple of month :)
06:55:51 <pravins> we have done with our agenda items.
06:56:05 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
06:56:44 <pravins> i want to discuss couple of things here.
06:56:51 <pravins> 1. Does bi-weekly meeting works well?
06:58:01 <pravins> we are again moving into active development cycle of Fedora 23.
06:58:12 <juhp> ah yes
07:00:37 <pravins> sure, lets move ahead with bi-weekly meeting and if required propose one in between.
07:00:50 <pravins> thanks all for meeting :)
07:00:53 <pravins> #endmeeting