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05:31:26 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
05:31:37 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2022-08-22
05:32:28 <pwu> hi
05:32:37 <tagoh[m]> Hi
05:32:47 <JensPetersen[m]> hi
05:33:03 <JensPetersen[m]> I am wearing my Dresden Flock t-shirt today
05:33:09 * suanand is around
05:33:19 <fujiwara> hi
05:33:39 <paragan> Hi all
05:33:54 <paragan> #chair pwu tagoh[m] JensPetersen[m] suanand fujiwara
05:33:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen[m] fujiwara paragan pwu suanand tagoh[m]
05:34:04 <paragan> Let's start this meeting
05:34:19 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:34:19 <paragan> #info Tue 2022-08-23 Bodhi updates-testing activation point
05:34:19 <paragan> #info Tue 2022-08-23 Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline
05:34:19 <paragan> #info Tue 2022-08-23 Beta Freeze (starts at 1400 UTC)
05:34:36 <paragan> So tomorrow will be Beta freeze
05:35:41 <paragan> also keep watching https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/37/beta/buglist
05:36:16 <paragan> We will check Change completion status in individual tickets
05:36:34 <paragan> anything else to discuss here?
05:37:49 <paragan> let's move to next topic then
05:38:08 <paragan> #topic Issues
05:38:16 <paragan> #info #161: add QA testcase for OS upgrade testing (pnemade)
05:38:16 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/161
05:38:19 <priyam> hi
05:38:25 <paragan> there is no update here yet
05:38:35 <paragan> but I think QE people will help us
05:39:56 <priyam> yes
05:40:02 <paragan> so let's see if we can get some testcase steps defined for our upcoming F37 testday
05:40:06 <priyam> paragan i am woking on it
05:40:15 <paragan> Thanks priyam
05:40:23 <paragan> #chair priyam
05:40:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen[m] fujiwara paragan priyam pwu suanand tagoh[m]
05:40:58 <paragan> anyone got anything to say here?
05:42:26 <JensPetersen[m]> We need to review
05:42:47 <JensPetersen[m]> and prepare
05:42:58 <JensPetersen[m]> Dunno if we need a testday ticket?
05:43:20 <paragan> where you want testday ticket?
05:43:49 <JensPetersen[m]> Just a suggestion to track the preparations, anyway...
05:44:00 <paragan> yes we will review this upgrade testcase before adding it to our testday
05:44:33 <JensPetersen[m]> Sorry I noticed there is no Test Day topic - so it was a more general comment
05:44:44 <priyam> yes..i will create ticket for it
05:44:53 <JensPetersen[m]> Okay
05:45:09 <paragan> let's move to next issue
05:45:18 <paragan> #info #163: create a wiki page table of Emoji input support across desktop/toolkits (petersen)
05:45:19 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/163
05:46:01 <JensPetersen[m]> Sorry no update - also changes coming f37
05:46:41 <paragan> Okay thanks
05:47:21 <paragan> moving to next ticket
05:47:31 <paragan> #info #166: Review new fonts table (tagoh)
05:47:31 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/166
05:47:47 <tagoh[m]> Yes, I added a comment there to update current status
05:48:48 <tagoh[m]> We have a few languages apparently not expected results, even though we have intentionally minimal font package sets in comps. I'll start to file a bug for them.
05:50:14 <paragan> tagoh[m], Thank you for this update.
05:51:34 <paragan> let's move to next issue
05:51:45 <JensPetersen[m]> I am still bit unsure about Nashk for Arabic Sans
05:52:04 <JensPetersen[m]> Naskh
05:52:14 <JensPetersen[m]> Sure
05:54:20 <tagoh[m]> If we have enough space, we should have proper assigned font sets right. we may have similar discussions about Chinese before though. if we should keep consistensy regardless of what generic alias are more preferrable for particular language, we should ship sans in comps as default font right.
05:54:34 <tagoh[m]> maybe good to keep discussions about it.
05:54:43 <JensPetersen[m]> Ah so if we install langpacks-ar then Sans becomes Sans I see
05:54:59 <tagoh[m]> Yes
05:55:10 <JensPetersen[m]> I think we could consider to add it to @fonts
05:55:53 <tagoh[m]> I should we had. but some fonts was dropped because it is serif and not used in installer etc?
05:56:15 <tagoh[m]> * I think we should had. but some fonts was dropped because it is serif and not used in installer etc?
05:56:20 <JensPetersen[m]> Right but probably this not so huge
05:57:00 <tagoh[m]> Alright. that is sane. that's good to me.
05:58:44 <tagoh[m]> paragan: Thanks. please go ahead.
05:58:50 <paragan> Sure
05:58:56 <paragan> thanks for having this discussion
05:59:14 <paragan> #info #169: Fedora 37 i18n test day/week (pnemade)
05:59:15 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/169
05:59:32 <paragan> #info Test day page => https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2022-09-06_I18N_Test_Day
05:59:51 <paragan> I have setup the testday event now
06:00:14 <paragan> we will be having testweek from 6th Sept to 12th Sept
06:00:23 <JensPetersen[m]> Okay duh here is the ticket
06:00:29 <paragan> Please do join all and provide your test results
06:01:34 * paragan thinks sometimes if we should just stop creating tickets and have open discussion meeting only :)
06:01:47 <JensPetersen[m]> That is fine too
06:02:00 <JensPetersen[m]> As long as it is on the agenda :-)
06:02:24 <paragan> anything to discuss for this testday ticket?
06:02:48 <JensPetersen[m]> We need to prepare I think
06:03:20 <JensPetersen[m]> Where prepare means review/consider the test-cases
06:03:24 <paragan> we need to check if any testcase need update
06:03:30 <tagoh[m]> That is our task. good to keep it as a ticket IMHO.
06:04:01 <paragan> okay
06:05:01 <JensPetersen[m]> I am still wondering what is the best way - have a meeting(s), do a dry-run next week, some other approach, liking pairing or small focus group?
06:06:37 <paragan> we can have meeting to discuss on this
06:06:42 <priyam> yes i was planning to have review test meeting on thursday
06:07:43 <priyam> paragan yes that will be good to have
06:08:46 <paragan> thanks priyam
06:09:39 <paragan> moving to next issue
06:09:40 <paragan> #info #170: F37 Change: Gettext Runtime Subpackage (suanand)
06:09:41 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/170
06:10:06 <paragan> Is this Change implementation completed and its bug moved to ON_QA status?
06:10:21 <suanand> Ya.. bugs have been submitted for dependents packages, latest had been built in rawhide and f37
06:11:00 <suanand> we can probably move it to ON_QA
06:11:13 <suanand> <JensPetersen[m]> ?
06:11:25 <JensPetersen[m]> Sounds good to me +1
06:11:34 <suanand> okay cool, moving then
06:11:48 <JensPetersen[m]> Also thinking about rebasing f36
06:12:05 <paragan> suanand, thanks for this update
06:12:52 <paragan> moving to next issue
06:13:11 <paragan> #info #171: F37 Change: Firefox Langpacks Subpackage (petersen)
06:13:12 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/171
06:13:37 <JensPetersen[m]> I think this can be moved too
06:13:44 <JensPetersen[m]> At least I am not aware of any issues
06:14:48 <paragan> JensPetersen[m], Thanks for this update
06:14:59 <paragan> moving to next issue
06:15:09 <paragan> #info #172: F37 Change: IBus 1.5.27 (fujiwara)
06:15:09 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/172
06:15:17 <paragan> Is this Change implementation completed and its bug moved to ON_QA status?
06:16:15 <JensPetersen[m]> I believe it is already ON_QA and the final release should be imminent
06:16:31 <paragan> Ok good to know that
06:16:55 <pwu> ibus-hangul is rebuilt for ibus.
06:17:36 <paragan> Ok
06:18:11 <paragan> moving to next issue
06:18:21 <paragan> #info #173: F37 Change: ibus-libpinyin 1.13 (pwu)
06:18:21 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/173
06:18:31 <paragan> Is this Change implementation completed and its bug moved to ON_QA status?
06:18:44 <pwu> ibus-libpinyin 1.13.0 is released.
06:18:53 <pwu> I will move the bug to ON_QA soon.
06:19:11 <paragan> pwu, Sure thank you for this update
06:19:36 <pwu> thanks
06:19:59 <paragan> moving to next issue
06:20:22 <paragan> #info #174: Noto package splitting (tagoh)
06:20:23 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/174
06:22:24 <tagoh[m]> Yes, I created this ticket since Noto upstream has been created separate repo per scripts and had a release. according to our packaging guidelines, source packages would be supposed to be per released archives. hence we need to split current noto packaging.
06:23:26 <paragan> Maybe we can advertise this by submitting F38 Change
06:24:04 <tagoh[m]> as noted, we have a few issues. not checking exactly how many they have but I guess it may be >100 repos. it is too much to maintain them by one. should we have a sort of maint group to noto?
06:24:26 <paragan> I can always help with any package reviews :)
06:24:34 <JensPetersen[m]> It is a big undertaking
06:24:54 <paragan> we need this first in some Copr repo to test this change work
06:25:43 <tagoh[m]> another one is, the upgrading path should be no problem since the change should be only happened in source not binary. so we don't need to make any changes in current package. just need to retire it once all source packages are in. but yeah, we need a lot of package reviews for new source right.
06:25:54 <tagoh[m]> definitely need some volunteers :)
06:26:08 <tagoh[m]> Sure.
06:27:01 <JensPetersen[m]> I hope scripting could help otherwise hard to scale I fear
06:28:23 <tagoh[m]> Right. I'll try to fignre out how much we can reduce packaging costs.
06:28:24 <JensPetersen[m]> Great, thanks
06:29:32 <paragan> Thanks
06:29:39 <paragan> moving ahead
06:29:50 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
06:29:58 <tagoh[m]> just wanted to hear any cases for the gorup of package maintenance.
06:30:00 <paragan> anyone got any topic to discuss here?
06:30:08 <tagoh[m]> if anyone knows
06:31:58 <JensPetersen[m]> I think it is possible to make a noto-fonts package group
06:32:05 <JensPetersen[m]> for example
06:32:43 <tagoh[m]> Is there any document for process?
06:34:27 <paragan> I am not aware of any document yet
06:34:53 <tagoh[m]> Okay
06:37:23 <JensPetersen[m]> It might be a pagure group?  Not completely sure
06:37:46 <JensPetersen[m]> Anyway good to experiment in copr I agree
06:38:59 <tagoh[m]> Yep, I'll prepare copr repo once everything is ready to go.
06:39:26 <paragan> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Committee#Review_Process_Exemption_Procedure
06:40:26 <JensPetersen[m]> Ah yes, could help
06:41:34 <tagoh[m]> Yes, thanks for the pointer. that would be worth considering.
06:41:47 <paragan> yes
06:43:14 <paragan> Anything else to discuss here?
06:44:40 <paragan> Thank you all for joining this meeting
06:44:43 <paragan> #endmeeting