08:00:31 <suanand> #startmeeting i18n
08:00:31 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Apr 17 08:00:31 2023 UTC.
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08:00:47 <mfabian[m]> ☺
08:01:16 <SudipShil[m]> Hello
08:01:17 <pwu> hi
08:01:23 <tagoh[m]> Hi
08:01:38 <twinkle> hi
08:01:39 <JensPetersen[m]> hello
08:01:49 <suanand> #chair luna_ twinkle mfabian SudipShil pwu tagoh fujiwara JensPetersen
08:01:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen SudipShil fujiwara luna_ mfabian pwu suanand tagoh twinkle
08:02:07 <suanand> #topic agenda and roll call
08:02:07 <suanand> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2023-04-17
08:02:14 <paragan> hi
08:02:16 <luna_> .hello bittin
08:02:17 <zodbot> luna_: bittin 'Luna Jernberg' <droidbittin@gmail.com>
08:02:26 <suanand> #chair paragan
08:02:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen SudipShil fujiwara luna_ mfabian paragan pwu suanand tagoh twinkle
08:02:42 <suanand> luna_ welcome to the meeting
08:02:57 <luna_> suanand: thx
08:03:43 <suanand> luna_: feel free to introduce or say a few words :)
08:03:59 <suanand> #topic agenda
08:03:59 <suanand> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N
08:03:59 <suanand> #info -- 1. Upcoming schedule --
08:03:59 <suanand> #info -- 2. Issues --
08:03:59 <suanand> #info -- 3. Open floor --
08:04:24 <suanand> #topic Upcoming schedule
08:04:24 <suanand> #info Tue 2023-02-21 Bodhi updates-testing activation point
08:04:25 <suanand> #info Tue 2023-02-21 Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline
08:04:25 <suanand> #info Tue 2023-02-21 Beta Freeze (starts at 1400 UTC)
08:04:25 <suanand> #info Tue 2023-03-14 Current Beta Target date
08:04:25 <suanand> #info Tue 2023-04-04 Final Freeze (starts at 1400 UTC)
08:04:27 <suanand> #info Tue 2023-04-18 Current Final Target date
08:04:35 <suanand> #info The Fedora Linux 38 Final RC 1.6 compose is GO and will be shipped on Tuesday, 18 April.
08:04:35 <suanand> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_38_Final_Release_Criteria
08:04:58 <suanand> Congratulations folks, f38 is shipping tomorrow !!
08:05:00 <luna_> 32 year old Swedish person, started helping out with the Fedora Project as i was bored during the COVID times, mostly been helping out translating the new Fedora website into Swedish these days before the 38 release tommorow, been meaning to join this meeting earlier but been busy or not really awake enough at 9-10am (not a morning person)
08:05:14 <JensPetersen[m]> Yes great news!  I unpgraded (rebased) over the weekend
08:05:22 <JensPetersen[m]> s/unpgraded/upgraded/
08:05:50 <suanand> luna_: thanks!
08:05:57 <JensPetersen[m]> luna_: nice to have you hear, thanks
08:06:02 <JensPetersen[m]> s/hear/here/
08:06:16 <JensPetersen[m]> sorry for the edits...
08:06:22 <suanand> Let's see issues ..
08:06:28 <suanand> #topic Issues
08:06:36 <suanand> #info #177: Fedora 36 Bug triaging (pnemade)
08:06:36 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/177
08:06:44 <suanand> anyone has any anything to discuss here? hoping gradual progress in tickets.
08:06:55 <suanand> #info rhbz#2129399 and rhbz#2097613 are high severity
08:08:37 * suanand thinks as we hear back some updates on tickets lets look at the next issue!
08:08:45 <suanand> #info #175: Tracker for Fedora 38 Changes (pnemade)
08:08:45 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/175
08:08:51 <suanand> tagoh and pwu: would you like to discuss/mention anything?
08:09:58 <suanand> are the release notes PR ready?
08:10:08 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issue/938
08:10:17 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issue/959
08:10:51 <pwu> sorry, not yet...
08:11:10 <suanand> pwu: okay
08:11:13 <tagoh[m]> Well, one issue is ongoing related to default fonts changes: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2186711
08:11:26 <tagoh[m]> This needs to be fixed to get correct result.
08:12:44 <suanand> tagoh: thanks for suggesting options to fix the issue.
08:12:57 <suanand> JensPetersen: any inputs?
08:13:15 <JensPetersen[m]> the amount of problems caused by google-droid-fonts ;-(
08:13:45 <JensPetersen[m]> I really wish we could move it out of the way...
08:14:20 <suanand> tagoh: how you're planning? drop substitution or stop unifying ?
08:14:22 <JensPetersen[m]> tagoh: do you have a fix in mind?
08:14:39 <JensPetersen[m]> or both even
08:15:49 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issue/953
08:16:31 <tagoh[m]> I don't mind either honestly... to avoid the possibly future issues, maybe stop unifiying may be better than drop subst.
08:17:28 <suanand> tagoh: cool thanks!
08:18:00 <suanand> anything more to discuss in 'Fedora 38 Changes' ?
08:19:00 <JensPetersen[m]> I dealt with by f36 bugs
08:19:08 <JensPetersen[m]> s/by/my/
08:19:24 <suanand> ah okay!
08:19:34 <suanand> anything to mention specifically ?
08:19:54 <JensPetersen[m]> Done to 45 now
08:19:57 <JensPetersen[m]> * Down to 45 now
08:20:09 <JensPetersen[m]> really can't write today, ugh
08:20:36 <suanand> hm, Yeah.. huge list!
08:20:55 <suanand> let's see another issues
08:21:02 <suanand> #info #163: create a wiki page table of Emoji input support across desktop/toolkits (petersen)
08:21:03 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/163
08:21:08 <suanand> #info #162: track Fonts component bugs (petersen)
08:21:09 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/162
08:21:14 <suanand> #info #158: State of i18n and l10n in Workstation (petersen)
08:21:15 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/158
08:21:29 <suanand> JensPetersen: anything to discuss in #163 #162 and #158 ?
08:21:39 <JensPetersen[m]> Yeah
08:21:58 * luna_ remembering #158 happend in a Workstation WG meeting over Bluejeans atleast
08:22:16 <JensPetersen[m]> I think I can finish off the initial content for the Emoji wiki page by tomorrow
08:22:42 <suanand> aha nice
08:22:50 <JensPetersen[m]> There was a bug/rfe reported against Fonts, which I found kind of interesting
08:23:20 <JensPetersen[m]> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2186953
08:24:05 <JensPetersen[m]> I don't think we are going to make major changes to the default fonts at this time, but we should think about any ways to make it easier for users to remove unwanted fonts
08:24:28 <JensPetersen[m]> I kind of hope that the default-fonts plans could help with this, but not sure yet
08:24:54 <luna_> ah yeah saw that on the mailing list/i10n BugZilla subscription but did not really read what it was about until now
08:25:10 <JensPetersen[m]> Aha
08:25:50 * luna_ has no direct opinion however
08:26:41 * suanand likes pre-install opt-in options
08:27:35 <JensPetersen[m]> Yea, problem is currently the base live image is fixed, but theory we could also do post-install but this hurts the install experience.... tricky
08:27:43 <JensPetersen[m]> in theory
08:28:06 <JensPetersen[m]> With net install of course it is a different story
08:28:50 <suanand> good to create an issues at i18n pagure repo to get a place to discuss more
08:29:12 <luna_> +1
08:29:45 <JensPetersen[m]> Yes and also in the bug if people have ideas/thoughts
08:30:31 <suanand> JensPetersen : thank you for touching upon that.
08:32:08 <JensPetersen[m]> Perhaps default-fonts could allow a way to get a pure Latin experience experience perhaps
08:32:21 <JensPetersen[m]> s/experience//
08:32:35 <JensPetersen[m]> s/experience/easily/
08:32:57 <tagoh[m]> But since we only provide a live, they have to have default fonts for supported languages at least, right?
08:33:16 <JensPetersen[m]> Yes, I mean post-install
08:33:39 <tagoh[m]> Okay
08:33:44 <JensPetersen[m]> Anyway something to think about
08:33:49 <suanand> ah right,
08:33:55 <suanand> #info explore better options to install/uninstall i18n/l10n packages
08:33:55 <suanand> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2186953
08:34:17 <JensPetersen[m]> s/experience perhaps/easily/
08:34:37 <suanand> Idea: I guess better to create an issue, discuss and update bugzilla with the outcome
08:34:42 <suanand> #chair pwu_
08:34:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen SudipShil fujiwara luna_ mfabian paragan pwu pwu_ suanand tagoh twinkle
08:34:53 <luna_> sounds good
08:35:18 <suanand> Let's move to open floor
08:35:24 <suanand> #topic Open Floor
08:36:01 <suanand> JensPetersen: how was your experience at FOSSASIA (you talked about toolbox?)
08:36:28 * luna_ does not have anything will continue to translate the last Swedish for the new website before F38 is launched later today
08:36:48 * luna_ saw that during the stream was clicking around all FOSSAsia 2023 streams however so only saw half of it :p
08:36:59 <suanand> luna_: thanks for your efforts
08:37:18 <suanand> aha okay!
08:38:09 <JensPetersen[m]> It was fun to be back at FossAsia after 4 years (3 years online)
08:38:25 <suanand> Yea right, COVID
08:38:30 <JensPetersen[m]> Quite good attendance and met a lot of good people and friends there
08:38:54 <suanand> JensPetersen: sound great collaboration!
08:38:56 <JensPetersen[m]> We should think about chair for F39 cycle
08:39:05 <luna_> should be somewhere in the stream VOD archive here: https://www.youtube.com/@FOSSASIAorg/streams not sure if they will cut out the separate talks or not as i don't help out just saw FOSSAsia was as some Libreoffice people talked about it on Telegram and watched some of the streams for 1,5 day :p
08:39:14 <suanand> #chair
08:39:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen SudipShil fujiwara luna_ mfabian paragan pwu pwu_ suanand tagoh twinkle
08:39:14 <suanand> Time to nominate chairperson for F39.
08:39:26 <suanand> paragan: would you like to step in?
08:39:42 <luna_> yeah Nominations for F39 cycle starts in 2 days
08:40:09 <paragan> Sure, happy to chair this meeting for F39 release cycle if no one else want to volunteer :)
08:40:09 <JensPetersen[m]> Yes there are/will be recordings of FossAsia talks - the organising and video team of volunteers did a fantastic job!
08:40:52 <suanand> okay cool
08:40:52 <luna_> JensPetersen[m]: there is now, but you can to fast forward 2-4 hours to find the right talk, but hopefully they split and edit it up
08:40:59 <luna_> you have too*
08:41:21 <JensPetersen[m]> luna_: right I assume they will, but dunno for sure
08:41:36 <JensPetersen[m]> They did in the past always I believe
08:41:57 <luna_> ah yeah hopefully they will, but i guess they have to rest some first before they video edit ;) :D
08:42:44 <JensPetersen[m]> I want to thank suanand for doing a great job chairing our meetings in the F38 cycle!
08:42:51 <suanand> #info paragan will be chairperson for Fedora 39 release cycle!
08:43:13 <pwu_> suanand: thanks!
08:43:15 <luna_> also LAS this weekend: https://linuxappsummit.org/ for people who wanna watch GNOME and KDEs conference about Linux applications live from Brno, there is a virtual registration for people who is not in Czechia too (like me) but bought a t-shirt and signed up online
08:43:28 <JensPetersen[m]> luna_: cool
08:43:32 <luna_> suanand: thanks :) and paragan have fun keeping the flame alive
08:43:47 <suanand> ah thanks!
08:44:29 <suanand> anyone has anything to discuss more?
08:44:47 * luna_ does not
08:45:30 <suanand> thank you everyone for coming today, see you in the next meeting.
08:45:31 <suanand> take care!
08:45:38 <luna_> same to all of you
08:45:50 <SudipShil[m]> Thank you suanand
08:46:03 <suanand> #endmeeting