2024-02-19 08:00:37 <@paragan:matrix.org> !startmeeting i18n
2024-02-19 08:00:40 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-02-19 08:00:37 UTC
2024-02-19 08:00:40 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'i18n'
2024-02-19 08:00:44 <@paragan:matrix.org> !meetingname i18n
2024-02-19 08:00:52 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic agenda and roll call
2024-02-19 08:01:08 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2024-02-19
2024-02-19 08:01:19 <@juhp:matrix.org> Hi
2024-02-19 08:01:24 <@pwu:fedora.im> Hi
2024-02-19 08:01:26 <@twinkle28:fedora.im> Hi
2024-02-19 08:01:28 <@mfabian:matrix.org> 😊
2024-02-19 08:01:32 <@matiwari:fedora.im> Hi
2024-02-19 08:01:56 <@tagoh:matrix.org> Hi
2024-02-19 08:02:42 <@paragan:matrix.org> Hi all
2024-02-19 08:02:51 <@paragan:matrix.org> Lets start today's meeting
2024-02-19 08:02:57 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Upcoming schedule

2024-02-19 08:03:14 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info Tue 2024-02-27 Bodhi updates-testing activation point
2024-02-19 08:03:22 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info Tue 2024-02-27 Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline
2024-02-19 08:03:27 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info Tue 2024-02-27 Beta Freeze (starts at 1400 UTC)
2024-02-19 08:03:42 <@paragan:matrix.org> As you know Fedora 40 mass branching has been finished last week.
2024-02-19 08:04:08 <@bittin:fedora.im> Hey
2024-02-19 08:04:09 <@paragan:matrix.org> F40 daily composes are also now available for testing
2024-02-19 08:04:25 <@juhp:matrix.org> Anyone tried?
2024-02-19 08:05:16 <@bittin:fedora.im> have not had time yet, but will try later today for the GNOME 46 Beta test week, updated with dnf-systemupgrade on a laptop but have not really had time to use it yet, been sick and still are a bit sick
2024-02-19 08:05:24 <@paragan:matrix.org> I have not tried as I was waiting for Silverblue compose which is now available, so will check it soon
2024-02-19 08:06:30 <@paragan:matrix.org> There is Gnome testday going on this week. If anyone want to join, check this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-02-19_Fedora_40_GNOME_46_Desktop_and_Core_Apps
2024-02-19 08:07:16 <@paragan:matrix.org> after that another testday http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-02-22_Fedora_40_GNOME_46_Apps
2024-02-19 08:07:42 <@bittin:fedora.im> and after that start of March the i18n test day
2024-02-19 08:07:56 <@bittin:fedora.im> https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/177
2024-02-19 08:08:07 <@paragan:matrix.org> yeah but there is 1 week gap
2024-02-19 08:08:17 <@bittin:fedora.im> yup
2024-02-19 08:08:38 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything to discuss in this schedule topic?
2024-02-19 08:10:04 <@paragan:matrix.org> if nothing then let's move to next topic
2024-02-19 08:10:09 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Issues
2024-02-19 08:10:15 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #182: Tracker for Fedora 40 Changes (pnemade)

2024-02-19 08:10:19 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/182

2024-02-19 08:10:57 <@paragan:matrix.org> We got 2 Changes submitted this time
2024-02-19 08:10:58 <@paragan:matrix.org> Both the changes are in Accepted state now :)
2024-02-19 08:11:24 <@juhp:matrix.org> ibus beta is already built
2024-02-19 08:11:37 <@juhp:matrix.org> Didn't check ibus-anthy
2024-02-19 08:12:34 <@paragan:matrix.org> thanks for the update
2024-02-19 08:12:42 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything to discuss here?
2024-02-19 08:13:04 <@sshil:fedora.im> hi
2024-02-19 08:13:55 <@paragan:matrix.org> I guess nothing then we move to next ticket
2024-02-19 08:14:05 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #183: Fedora 38 Bug triaging (pnemade)
2024-02-19 08:14:07 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/183
2024-02-19 08:14:20 <@paragan:matrix.org> 35 total bugs count today
2024-02-19 08:14:46 <@paragan:matrix.org> this is usual reminder ticket to work on your bugs 
2024-02-19 08:15:10 <@paragan:matrix.org> check the bugs assigned to you and see if you can fix or move to later releases for fixing
2024-02-19 08:16:29 <@paragan:matrix.org> moving to next ticket
2024-02-19 08:16:33 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #184: Fedora 40 i18n test week  (pnemade)
2024-02-19 08:16:35 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/184
2024-02-19 08:16:50 <@paragan:matrix.org> We have setup our Fedora 40 i18n testweek now
2024-02-19 08:17:07 <@paragan:matrix.org> you can find more information about it at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-03-05_I18N_Test_Day
2024-02-19 08:18:02 <@paragan:matrix.org> Anyone got any questions here for this testing event?
2024-02-19 08:18:32 <@juhp:matrix.org> It's still Test Week?
2024-02-19 08:18:45 <@juhp:matrix.org> Okay you already said
2024-02-19 08:19:31 <@bittin:fedora.im> GNOME test week is starting today, and the i18n one in two weeks
2024-02-19 08:19:36 <@paragan:matrix.org> Maybe we can drop next time Test_Day word in test event wiki title page
2024-02-19 08:19:49 <@paragan:matrix.org> so there will be no confusion
2024-02-19 08:20:27 <@juhp:matrix.org> Ya, 2 in 1 🥲
2024-02-19 08:22:58 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's move to next ticket
2024-02-19 08:23:06 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #185: Evaluate if we can have ibus-chewing as default IME for Taiwan (pwu)
2024-02-19 08:23:12 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/185

2024-02-19 08:23:48 <@paragan:matrix.org> so are we still thinking to make ibus-chewing as default IME for Taiwan?
2024-02-19 08:24:14 <@pwu:fedora.im> I think I fixed two issues in ibus-libzhuyin...
2024-02-19 08:25:09 <@paragan:matrix.org> thanks for fixing those issues Peng
2024-02-19 08:25:25 <@pwu:fedora.im> Welcome
2024-02-19 08:26:23 <@juhp:matrix.org> Sorry but that doesn't really answer the question yet though 🙂
2024-02-19 08:27:20 <@juhp:matrix.org> Maybe you can discuss with someone from Taiwan 
2024-02-19 08:27:36 <@pwu:fedora.im> Right
2024-02-19 08:28:36 <@paragan:matrix.org> Okay let's check update on this by next meeting then
2024-02-19 08:29:58 <@juhp:matrix.org> I guess one advantage of yours is the input suggestions?
2024-02-19 08:30:24 <@pwu:fedora.im> Yes
2024-02-19 08:30:35 <@juhp:matrix.org> Okay 
2024-02-19 08:33:06 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's move to next topic
2024-02-19 08:33:35 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-02-19 08:34:22 <@juhp:matrix.org> Can talk briefly about langpacks for Atomic Desktops?
2024-02-19 08:34:58 <@juhp:matrix.org> Sorry I don't have the link at hand right now - perhaps someone else?
2024-02-19 08:35:00 <@bittin:fedora.im> would be interested in that as someone who work on a language (Swedish) :P
2024-02-19 08:36:33 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info https://gitlab.com/fedora/ostree/sig/-/issues/14
2024-02-19 08:36:37 <@juhp:matrix.org> travier came to the suggestion that we should install some hunspell dictionaries by default 
2024-02-19 08:36:41 <@juhp:matrix.org> Thanks 
2024-02-19 08:37:20 <@juhp:matrix.org> I have a few more comments I didn't post yet... But good to cover it here too first 
2024-02-19 08:38:11 <@bittin:fedora.im> ah
2024-02-19 08:38:17 <@juhp:matrix.org> Well actually I think it would mean pre-installing a selection of langpacks 
2024-02-19 08:39:06 <@juhp:matrix.org> And then re-enabling the auto installation for other langs
2024-02-19 08:39:14 <@bittin:fedora.im> maybe let you choose in the installer, not used any Atomic desktops, or ask with a shell script or a popup or something after the install what languages you want?
2024-02-19 08:40:26 <@juhp:matrix.org> We don't currently pre-select any packages generally, but yeah that would be ideal
2024-02-19 08:41:05 <@juhp:matrix.org> The language gui I have been dreaming of comes to mind...
2024-02-19 08:41:35 <@juhp:matrix.org> But I don't think there's time for F40 anyway
2024-02-19 08:42:19 <@juhp:matrix.org> Actually I want to ask again what the main concern with layering langpacks is
2024-02-19 08:43:02 <@juhp:matrix.org> (I kinda paused the discussion during the branching and LNY)
2024-02-19 08:43:32 <@bittin:fedora.im> not had time to read and not really played with immutable distros yet
2024-02-19 08:43:32 <@juhp:matrix.org> paragan and tagoh: what are your thoughts?
2024-02-19 08:43:56 <@juhp:matrix.org> All 3 of us use SB :)
2024-02-19 08:44:42 <@paragan:matrix.org> increase in size of media and installation is direct result if we include all langpacks packages
2024-02-19 08:45:03 <@juhp:matrix.org> We can't include all I think 
2024-02-19 08:45:09 <@paragan:matrix.org> if we are okay with that then I think we can have langpacks as default installed for ostree
2024-02-19 08:45:36 <@paragan:matrix.org> Okay so we need to choose subset from all the available langpacks packages?
2024-02-19 08:45:43 <@juhp:matrix.org> Perhaps 
2024-02-19 08:46:07 <@juhp:matrix.org> At least I fixed glibc now
2024-02-19 08:46:07 <@tagoh:matrix.org> If we have hunspell installed, can flatpaks really use it?
2024-02-19 08:46:20 <@juhp:matrix.org> I don't think so
2024-02-19 08:46:29 <@juhp:matrix.org> It's a good point 
2024-02-19 08:47:12 <@juhp:matrix.org> Actually I would prefer to move it all to freedesk runtime!
2024-02-19 08:47:20 <@juhp:matrix.org> Or equivalent 
2024-02-19 08:47:33 <@juhp:matrix.org> Something Fedora based
2024-02-19 08:47:37 <@tagoh:matrix.org> Yeah, that makes sense.
2024-02-19 08:47:58 <@juhp:matrix.org> Though that's quite radical of course 
2024-02-19 08:48:21 <@juhp:matrix.org> Would actually be quite cool cos then can install fonts without a reboot 
2024-02-19 08:49:36 <@juhp:matrix.org> But we probably need some minimal system fonts? So it seems non-trivial
2024-02-19 08:49:59 <@juhp:matrix.org> Maybe the new container boot is more appropriate 
2024-02-19 08:51:39 <@juhp:matrix.org> Anyway that's all long term
2024-02-19 08:52:01 <@juhp:matrix.org> Guess I am more interested right now on the short term approach 
2024-02-19 08:52:12 <@juhp:matrix.org> Like what we do in F40
2024-02-19 08:53:01 <@juhp:matrix.org> I think even langpacks-en is layered
2024-02-19 08:53:49 <@juhp:matrix.org> Maybe we could just add for anyone who complains 😂
2024-02-19 08:56:29 <@juhp:matrix.org> Any more thoughts?
2024-02-19 08:57:45 <@juhp:matrix.org> Anyway I guess I will restart the discussion - but if you feel it's going wrong please speak up
2024-02-19 08:58:33 <@paragan:matrix.org> What I get is that we don't want all langpacks installed
2024-02-19 08:58:46 <@paragan:matrix.org> and we are okay with some langpacks installed
2024-02-19 08:59:11 <@juhp:matrix.org> Yes seems a reasonable compromise to me 
2024-02-19 08:59:31 <@juhp:matrix.org> I don't love it but better than all or nothing I feel 
2024-02-19 08:59:42 <@paragan:matrix.org> so next question should be which langpacks packages should be installed default
2024-02-19 08:59:54 <@juhp:matrix.org> Right 
2024-02-19 09:00:02 <@juhp:matrix.org> That's the harder part
2024-02-19 09:00:23 <@juhp:matrix.org> Maybe a selection from main gnome list? 🤷🏻‍♂️
2024-02-19 09:00:45 <@paragan:matrix.org> maybe
2024-02-19 09:01:05 <@juhp:matrix.org> Maybe a subset from main gnome list? 🤷🏻‍♂️
2024-02-19 09:02:29 <@bittin:fedora.im> also we are running out of meeting time
2024-02-19 09:03:43 <@paragan:matrix.org> Okay
2024-02-19 09:03:56 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything else to discuss on this langpacks topic?
2024-02-19 09:04:37 <@juhp:matrix.org> Maybe we can continue in Fedora i18n 
2024-02-19 09:04:59 <@juhp:matrix.org> Needs some thought at least 
2024-02-19 09:05:13 <@paragan:matrix.org> Sure
2024-02-19 09:05:31 <@bittin:fedora.im> yeah or during next meeting in two weeks? up to you i guess
2024-02-19 09:06:20 <@juhp:matrix.org> (interesting can't edit last messages yet, maybe my connection)
2024-02-19 09:07:33 <@paragan:matrix.org> Let's stop here then
2024-02-19 09:07:45 <@paragan:matrix.org> Thank you all who joined this meeting
2024-02-19 09:07:58 <@paragan:matrix.org> !endmeeting