<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:00:14
!startmeeting i18n
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
08:00:16
Meeting started at 2024-03-18 08:00:14 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
08:00:16
The Meeting name is 'i18n'
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:00:16
!meetingname i18n
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:00:30
!topic agenda and roll call
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:00:44
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2024-03-18
<@tagoh:matrix.org>
08:01:00
Hi
<@pwu:fedora.im>
08:01:19
Hi
<@twinkle28:fedora.im>
08:01:29
Hi
<@kanru:wara.tw>
08:02:31
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
08:02:32
Kan-Ru Chen (kanru) - he / him / his
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:02:49
Hi all
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:03:13
let's start this meeting
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:03:15
!topic Upcoming schedule
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:03:46
As you know Fedora 40 development is still in Beta Freeze
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:04:02
Hi
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:04:19
due to blocker bugs https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/40/beta/buglist its getting delayed
<@matiwari:fedora.im>
08:04:22
Hi everyone
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:06:13
Currently Beta 1.7 is available for testing
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:07:08
Hopefully we will see Beta released by next week
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:07:47
!info Tue 2024-03-26 Current Beta Target date
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:07:57
!info Tue 2024-04-02 Final Freeze (starts at 1400 UTC)
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:08:20
anything to discuss here about F40 development cycle?
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:09:13
if nothing let's move to next topic
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:09:53
!topic Issues
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:10:14
!info #182: Tracker for Fedora 40 Changes (pnemade)
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:10:15
!link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/182
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:10:54
!info Implementation for both the Changes is completed and their respective bugzilla trackers are already moved to ON_QA state.
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:11:22
anything to discuss here related to these Changes in F40?
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:12:59
I think Takao may address some bugs
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:13:17
Ok
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:14:30
moving to next ticket
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:14:55
!info #183: Fedora 38 Bug triaging (pnemade)
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:14:56
!link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/183
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:15:27
This ticket is to remind you that we still have some bugs to fix
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:15:47
go through this list of bugs for F38 and triage them
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:17:32
Moving to next ticket
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:17:42
!info #184: Fedora 40 i18n test week (pnemade)
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:17:49
!link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/184
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:18:25
As you know we did our F40 testweek this month
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:18:37
I have added summary report in the wiki page
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:18:57
!info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-03-05_I18N_Test_Day#Fedora_40_Test_Day_Report
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:19:10
I will close this ticket now
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:19:21
any questions/feedback on this event?
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:19:38
Thanks
<@kanru:wara.tw>
08:20:39
It was my first time. I'm impressed by some of the test steps :)
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:22:21
Do let us know if you would like to see any testcase steps changes/improved
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:23:50
moving to next ticket
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:24:01
!info #185: Evaluate if we can have ibus-chewing as default IME for Taiwan (pwu)
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:24:08
https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/185
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:24:57
any update here pwu
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:25:39
I think Kan-Ru Chen recently updated ibus-chewing to 2.0?
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:26:01
I think
Kan-Ru Chen recently updated Fedora ibus-chewing to 2.0?
<@pwu:fedora.im>
08:26:10
I think we can compare ibus-libzhuyin with ibus-chewing 2.0.
<@pwu:fedora.im>
08:26:26
If ibus-chewing 2.0 is packaged in Fedora.
<@kanru:wara.tw>
08:27:08
Thanks, Jens Petersen I pushed ibus-chewing 2.0 to rawhide.
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:27:56
It might be okay to push it to F40 too?
<@pwu:fedora.im>
08:28:33
Do you plan to update it in Fedora 39?
<@kanru:wara.tw>
08:29:43
I only updated F39 and F40 with a small bug fix. The change in 2.0 is quite large (gtk4 and tray icon) but functional wise it's almost the same so I don't feel we need to rush.
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:30:03
We could even have a test day for F41 perhaps
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:30:36
Anyway I agree it would be nice to test more and compare the IMEs
<@pwu:fedora.im>
08:31:01
Agreed
<@kanru:wara.tw>
08:31:48
Sure, I'm also actively working on libchewing so the tests would also provide valuable feedback regarding features to priortize :)
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:32:02
It could also be discussed on Discourse
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:32:10
Great!
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:32:30
It could also be discussed on Fedora Discourse
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:32:46
What are next steps for this ticket then?
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:33:08
One problem we often face with these Changes is lack of community feedback
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:34:45
The more consensus there is around the Change the better
<@kanru:wara.tw>
08:34:51
I can help broadcast the message to TW community (at least to the places I'm aware)
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:35:06
That would be fantastic
<@pwu:fedora.im>
08:35:33
Cool
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:37:51
paragan: I think enough to summarise today's discussion
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:38:04
Thanks
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:38:07
let's move
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:38:19
!topic Open Floor
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:38:29
anything to discuss here?
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:38:45
I have a topic in mind
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:39:42
I have been thinking if we need a tool for installing and removing langpacks and default-fonts and other i18n config?
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:40:30
But it's not entirely clear to me
<@kanru:wara.tw>
08:41:17
Currently it seems gnome software automatically installs some? Not sure on other desktop.
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:41:33
For example it's a bit hard to remove default-fonts currently, but we could install less top metapkgs perhaps as a workaround?
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:41:49
Kan-Ru Chen: you are right
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:42:16
and actually our default desktop coverage is quite good
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:42:34
Containers or Toolbox is different of course
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:43:21
Another "use-case" could be CJK rendering priority for example, though it could also be handled otherwise perhaps
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:44:02
Overall our approach is quite different to Ubuntu, which has long had a language tool
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:44:18
Thoughts, comments?
<@tagoh:matrix.org>
08:46:01
dunno if that situation is really improved by tool. that is actually rpm/dnf issue. if it can be improved there, that would be better.
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:46:13
Whether a tool is more "discoverable" than metapkgs is also debatable certainly - nvm I still feel there can be value even as an experiment
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:47:04
tagoh: perhaps we should do something, even for F40, the current removal behaviour is probably suboptimal
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:47:54
I could open a big for that
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:48:03
I could open a bug for that
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:48:53
I already have one bug open https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2237646
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:48:58
Whether a tool is more "discoverable" than metapkgs is also debatable certainly - nevertheless I still feel there can be value even as an experiment
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:49:07
Great
<@juhp:matrix.org>
08:49:54
Ah yes
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:54:20
anything more to discuss here?
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:55:31
I assume no further discussion happening here
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:55:36
Let's close this meeting then
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:55:45
Thanks to those who joined this meeting
<@paragan:matrix.org>
08:55:49
!endmeeting