2024-03-18 08:00:14 <@paragan:matrix.org> !startmeeting i18n
2024-03-18 08:00:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-03-18 08:00:14 UTC
2024-03-18 08:00:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'i18n'
2024-03-18 08:00:16 <@paragan:matrix.org> !meetingname i18n
2024-03-18 08:00:30 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic agenda and roll call
2024-03-18 08:00:44 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2024-03-18
2024-03-18 08:01:00 <@tagoh:matrix.org> Hi
2024-03-18 08:01:19 <@pwu:fedora.im> Hi
2024-03-18 08:01:29 <@twinkle28:fedora.im> Hi
2024-03-18 08:02:31 <@kanru:wara.tw> !hi
2024-03-18 08:02:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Kan-Ru Chen (kanru) - he / him / his
2024-03-18 08:02:49 <@paragan:matrix.org> Hi all
2024-03-18 08:03:13 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's start this meeting
2024-03-18 08:03:15 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Upcoming schedule
2024-03-18 08:03:46 <@paragan:matrix.org> As you know Fedora 40 development is still in Beta Freeze
2024-03-18 08:04:02 <@juhp:matrix.org> Hi
2024-03-18 08:04:19 <@paragan:matrix.org> due to blocker bugs https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/40/beta/buglist its getting delayed
2024-03-18 08:04:22 <@matiwari:fedora.im> Hi everyone 
2024-03-18 08:06:13 <@paragan:matrix.org> Currently Beta 1.7 is available for testing
2024-03-18 08:07:08 <@paragan:matrix.org> Hopefully we will see Beta released by next week
2024-03-18 08:07:47 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info Tue 2024-03-26 Current Beta Target date
2024-03-18 08:07:57 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info Tue 2024-04-02 Final Freeze (starts at 1400 UTC)
2024-03-18 08:08:20 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything to discuss here about F40 development cycle?
2024-03-18 08:09:13 <@paragan:matrix.org> if nothing let's move to next topic
2024-03-18 08:09:53 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Issues

2024-03-18 08:10:14 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #182: Tracker for Fedora 40 Changes (pnemade)
2024-03-18 08:10:15 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/182
2024-03-18 08:10:54 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info Implementation for both the Changes is completed and their respective bugzilla trackers are already moved to ON_QA state.
2024-03-18 08:11:22 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything to discuss here related to these Changes in F40?
2024-03-18 08:12:59 <@juhp:matrix.org> I think Takao may address some bugs
2024-03-18 08:13:17 <@paragan:matrix.org> Ok
2024-03-18 08:14:30 <@paragan:matrix.org> moving to next ticket
2024-03-18 08:14:55 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #183: Fedora 38 Bug triaging (pnemade)
2024-03-18 08:14:56 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/183
2024-03-18 08:15:27 <@paragan:matrix.org> This ticket is to remind you that we still have some bugs to fix
2024-03-18 08:15:47 <@paragan:matrix.org> go through this list of bugs for F38 and triage them
2024-03-18 08:17:32 <@paragan:matrix.org> Moving to next ticket
2024-03-18 08:17:42 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #184: Fedora 40 i18n test week  (pnemade)
2024-03-18 08:17:49 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/184
2024-03-18 08:18:25 <@paragan:matrix.org> As you know we did our F40 testweek this month
2024-03-18 08:18:37 <@paragan:matrix.org> I have added summary report in the wiki page
2024-03-18 08:18:57 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-03-05_I18N_Test_Day#Fedora_40_Test_Day_Report
2024-03-18 08:19:10 <@paragan:matrix.org> I will close this ticket now
2024-03-18 08:19:21 <@paragan:matrix.org> any questions/feedback on this event?
2024-03-18 08:19:38 <@juhp:matrix.org> Thanks
2024-03-18 08:20:39 <@kanru:wara.tw> It was my first time. I'm impressed by some of the test steps :)
2024-03-18 08:22:21 <@paragan:matrix.org> Do let us know if you would like to see any testcase steps changes/improved
2024-03-18 08:23:50 <@paragan:matrix.org> moving to next ticket
2024-03-18 08:24:01 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #185: Evaluate if we can have ibus-chewing as default IME for Taiwan (pwu)
2024-03-18 08:24:08 <@paragan:matrix.org> https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/185
2024-03-18 08:24:57 <@paragan:matrix.org> any update here pwu 
2024-03-18 08:25:39 <@juhp:matrix.org> I think Kan-Ru Chen recently updated ibus-chewing to 2.0?
2024-03-18 08:26:01 <@juhp:matrix.org> I think 
Kan-Ru Chen recently updated Fedora ibus-chewing to 2.0?
2024-03-18 08:26:10 <@pwu:fedora.im> I think we can compare ibus-libzhuyin with ibus-chewing 2.0.
2024-03-18 08:26:26 <@pwu:fedora.im> If ibus-chewing 2.0 is packaged in Fedora.
2024-03-18 08:27:08 <@kanru:wara.tw> Thanks, Jens Petersen I pushed ibus-chewing 2.0 to rawhide.
2024-03-18 08:27:56 <@juhp:matrix.org> It might be okay to push it to F40 too?
2024-03-18 08:28:33 <@pwu:fedora.im> Do you plan to update it in Fedora 39?
2024-03-18 08:29:43 <@kanru:wara.tw> I only updated F39 and F40 with a small bug fix. The change in 2.0 is quite large (gtk4 and tray icon) but functional wise it's almost the same so I don't feel we need to rush.
2024-03-18 08:30:03 <@juhp:matrix.org> We could even have a test day for F41 perhaps
2024-03-18 08:30:36 <@juhp:matrix.org> Anyway I agree it would be nice to test more and compare the IMEs
2024-03-18 08:31:01 <@pwu:fedora.im> Agreed
2024-03-18 08:31:48 <@kanru:wara.tw> Sure, I'm also actively working on libchewing so the tests would also provide valuable feedback regarding features to priortize :)
2024-03-18 08:32:02 <@juhp:matrix.org> It could also be discussed on Discourse
2024-03-18 08:32:10 <@juhp:matrix.org> Great!
2024-03-18 08:32:30 <@juhp:matrix.org> It could also be discussed on Fedora Discourse
2024-03-18 08:32:46 <@paragan:matrix.org> What are next steps for this ticket then?
2024-03-18 08:33:08 <@juhp:matrix.org> One problem we often face with these Changes is lack of community feedback 
2024-03-18 08:34:45 <@juhp:matrix.org> The more consensus there is around the Change the better 
2024-03-18 08:34:51 <@kanru:wara.tw> I can help broadcast the message to TW community (at least to the places I'm aware)
2024-03-18 08:35:06 <@juhp:matrix.org> That would be fantastic 
2024-03-18 08:35:33 <@pwu:fedora.im> Cool
2024-03-18 08:37:51 <@juhp:matrix.org> paragan: I think enough to summarise today's discussion
2024-03-18 08:38:04 <@paragan:matrix.org> Thanks
2024-03-18 08:38:07 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's move
2024-03-18 08:38:19 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-03-18 08:38:29 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything to discuss here?
2024-03-18 08:38:45 <@juhp:matrix.org> I have a topic in mind 
2024-03-18 08:39:42 <@juhp:matrix.org> I have been thinking if we need a tool for installing and removing langpacks and default-fonts and other i18n config?
2024-03-18 08:40:30 <@juhp:matrix.org> But it's not entirely clear to me
2024-03-18 08:41:17 <@kanru:wara.tw> Currently it seems gnome software automatically installs some? Not sure on other desktop.
2024-03-18 08:41:33 <@juhp:matrix.org> For example it's a bit hard to remove default-fonts currently, but we could install less top metapkgs perhaps as a workaround?
2024-03-18 08:41:49 <@juhp:matrix.org> Kan-Ru Chen: you are right 
2024-03-18 08:42:16 <@juhp:matrix.org> and actually our default desktop coverage is quite good 
2024-03-18 08:42:34 <@juhp:matrix.org> Containers or Toolbox is different of course 
2024-03-18 08:43:21 <@juhp:matrix.org> Another "use-case" could be CJK rendering priority for example, though it could also be handled otherwise perhaps
2024-03-18 08:44:02 <@juhp:matrix.org> Overall our approach is quite different to Ubuntu, which has long had a language tool
2024-03-18 08:44:18 <@juhp:matrix.org> Thoughts, comments?
2024-03-18 08:46:01 <@tagoh:matrix.org> dunno if that situation is really improved by tool. that is actually rpm/dnf issue. if it can be improved there, that would be better.
2024-03-18 08:46:13 <@juhp:matrix.org> Whether a tool is more "discoverable" than metapkgs is also debatable certainly - nvm I still feel there can be value even as an experiment 
2024-03-18 08:47:04 <@juhp:matrix.org> tagoh: perhaps we should do something, even for F40, the current removal behaviour is probably suboptimal 
2024-03-18 08:47:54 <@juhp:matrix.org> I could open a big for that
2024-03-18 08:48:03 <@juhp:matrix.org> I could open a bug for that
2024-03-18 08:48:53 <@paragan:matrix.org> I already have one bug open https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2237646
2024-03-18 08:48:58 <@juhp:matrix.org> Whether a tool is more "discoverable" than metapkgs is also debatable certainly - nevertheless I still feel there can be value even as an experiment 
2024-03-18 08:49:07 <@juhp:matrix.org> Great 
2024-03-18 08:49:54 <@juhp:matrix.org> Ah yes
2024-03-18 08:54:20 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything more to discuss here?
2024-03-18 08:55:31 <@paragan:matrix.org> I assume no further discussion happening here
2024-03-18 08:55:36 <@paragan:matrix.org> Let's close this meeting then
2024-03-18 08:55:45 <@paragan:matrix.org> Thanks to those who joined this meeting
2024-03-18 08:55:49 <@paragan:matrix.org> !endmeeting