16:34:53 <nasirhm> #startmeeting Fedora i3 (2020-06-23) 16:34:53 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun 23 16:34:53 2020 UTC. 16:34:53 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:34:53 <zodbot> The chair is nasirhm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:34:53 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:34:53 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_i3_(2020-06-23)' 16:35:10 <nasirhm> #meetingname i3 16:35:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i3' 16:35:19 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: tips: you can add more chairs so that in case you drop out, someone else can close the meeting 16:35:48 <nasirhm> #chair x3mboy siddharthvipul 16:35:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: nasirhm siddharthvipul x3mboy 16:36:10 <nasirhm> #topic Agenda 16:36:19 <nasirhm> #info (1) Roll call / Introductions 16:36:26 <nasirhm> #info (2) Announcements 16:36:35 <x3mboy[m]> .hello2 16:36:36 <zodbot> x3mboy[m]: Sorry, but you don't exist 16:36:46 <siddharthvipul> .hello siddharthvipul1 16:36:46 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' <siddharthvipul1@gmail.com> 16:36:47 <nasirhm> #info (3) Progress updations 16:36:55 <nasirhm> #info (4) Open floor 16:37:04 <nasirhm> #topic Roll Call / Introductions 16:37:06 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy[m]: I guess the matrix [m] is causing you the issue 16:37:12 * siddharthvipul is here.. again 16:37:17 <nasirhm> .hello2 16:37:17 <zodbot> nasirhm: nasirhm 'Nasir Hussain' <nasirhussainm14@gmail.com> 16:37:33 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy[m]: do hello <nick> 16:37:40 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> sidstond: Dr. Sid Sundaresan 16:37:52 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> (Can I participate from the tg side?) 16:37:55 <nasirhm> .hello sidstond 16:37:55 <zodbot> nasirhm: sidstond 'Siddarth Sundaresan' <Djanakirame.stormbreaker@gmail.com> 16:38:03 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Hey! 16:38:06 <siddharthvipul> sidstond, sure :) 16:38:14 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Thanks! 16:38:35 <nasirhm> #topic Announcements 16:39:02 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: x3mboy[m] is the announcement related to overall project or just the topic (or sig) 16:39:36 <nasirhm> I think some news from the Fedora ecosystem. 16:40:03 <nasirhm> #info Orphaned packages seeking maintainers 16:40:10 <nasirhm> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/SGFOY5UC726CTVHQMSZU64TWKMUJOQRS/ 16:40:37 <nasirhm> Do we have anyother announcements from others ? 16:41:03 <siddharthvipul> #info bodhi 5.0 in production.. show your love to cverna, scoady and others 16:41:43 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Bodhi, the DE/WM? 16:42:01 <nasirhm> Bodhi the Fedora Build System 16:42:13 <nasirhm> s/Build/Updates/ 16:42:13 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> AH 16:42:22 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Cookies all round! 16:42:34 <siddharthvipul> hehe, I am surprised you don't know bodhi ^.^ https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/ 16:42:51 <siddharthvipul> but I guess the DE is more famous outside fedora 16:43:07 <siddharthvipul> #info Kernel test day, participate :) 16:43:07 <nasirhm> I think let's move onto Progress updations now ? 16:43:11 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Thanks, other sid :p 16:43:11 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> I'm only just upgrading from user 16:43:35 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: yep, let's proceed 16:43:42 <nasirhm> Yeah the Kernel Test Week is a good one, Looking forward to see people there :) 16:43:44 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> I think so, Sid, they did release a new version not 2 months back 16:43:49 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Nasirhm, yes. 16:44:06 <nasirhm> #topic Progress updations 16:44:52 * nasirhm was working on the ks files of LXDE and XFCE remove stuff and trying to get the Lightdm right 16:45:08 <siddharthvipul> do we have a packages needed vs not yet packaged? I could start looking at packaging a few over weekends.. now that DC move is settling down and CI cluster is deployed, I have a little bandwidth 16:45:17 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: how is that going? 16:45:55 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: It's going good, I've never created and deleted these many VMs in my whole life :P 16:46:37 <siddharthvipul> haha, I can relate a little bit 16:46:38 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Re:packages, Sid, I've made some suggestions for the extended spin that are in copr, I'll take about those when the floor is open, and we can elaborate sometime later? 16:46:57 <nasirhm> I was thinking of another way to do it by creating a i3 liveuser in which we can set in config to execute `liveinst` on Workspace one, so the user has the ability to install i3 from a i3 live. 16:47:05 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Nice, Nasirhm! Your rise within fedora ranks has been meteoric! 16:47:37 <nasirhm> Thank you @buredoRUNofthecyborg :) 16:47:44 <siddharthvipul> sidstond, if they are already in copr, and if they don't have license issue, you could package them with ease.. let's discuss that in openfloow 16:48:11 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Done, Sid! 16:48:13 <nasirhm> So, let's move on to open floor now ? 16:48:34 <siddharthvipul> yeah, sure! I don't see a lot of people around 16:49:00 <nasirhm> hehehe, we have 3/4 of us here, i see Defolos too. 16:49:20 <siddharthvipul> bouncers != available/free :p 16:49:25 <nasirhm> #topic Open floor 16:49:34 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Thanks, Nasirhm 16:49:57 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: I see him on the matrix side, if he has seen it or not. :D 16:50:12 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> I'd posted some suggestions, which I was told are more suited for i3 - extended. Shall we discuss those now? 16:50:12 <nasirhm> So Guys, what do we have for open floor today ? 16:50:22 <nasirhm> Sure. 16:50:24 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> App suggestions* 16:50:32 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Incoming big list 16:50:34 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Music players: minimal like Quod Libet, maybe? ncmpcpp with mpd ? 16:50:34 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Video player : mpv, the old horse 16:50:34 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Clipboard manager: GPaste? 16:50:34 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Torrent client: Fragments? Transmission? rtorrent ? 16:50:34 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Image viewer : Feh? EOM (fewer dependencies?) 16:50:35 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> File Manager: Caja (fewer deps) MC? 16:50:35 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> ffmpegthumbnailer 16:50:36 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> aria2? 16:50:36 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> ghostwriter (Markdown, not essential) 16:50:37 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> System Monitor: Deepin System Monitor (looks good) htop | ytop or ctop? (https://fedoramagazine.org/4-cool-new-projects-to-try-in-copr-for-april-2020/) 16:50:37 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> i3lock-fancy 16:50:38 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> LibreOffice? 16:50:38 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> xbacklight? 16:50:39 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Prt Scr: flameshot 16:50:39 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> E-mail client: ? 16:50:40 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> e-reader : Foliate/ Bookworm? (Not essential) 16:50:40 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Polybar? 16:50:41 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Youtube-dl? 16:50:41 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> xpenguins? 16:50:42 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Tilix? 16:51:28 <nasirhm> Hmm, This is indeed a big list, is anyof it except the i3lock-fancy is not packages yet. 16:51:42 <siddharthvipul> okay, starting from top.. I have 0 comments on by default music player and video player.. on clipboard.. xclipboard? 16:52:06 <nasirhm> I'm adding it to the wiki page. 16:52:08 <siddharthvipul> and again, I don't think we need to ship torrent clients by default 16:52:13 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Most of them are, Nasirhm. These are from my personal install 16:52:23 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Thanks for adding, Nasirhm 16:52:40 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul++ on the torrent clients. 16:52:59 <nasirhm> xbrightlight is a must and better suited for i3-minimal 16:53:00 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Sid, some suggestions are so users can have sth like ncmpcpp up and running, since the mp3 codecs are now FOSS (just an example) 16:53:20 <siddharthvipul> I see 16:53:42 <siddharthvipul> I like feh (use it) 16:53:52 <siddharthvipul> file manager: ranger please :) 16:53:53 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Re : torrent, the workstation install has it, so makes sense on extended too , I thought 16:54:02 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Cool beans 16:54:21 <nasirhm> #action adding xbrightlight to i3-minimal 16:54:34 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: yeah, that's a good thing to add 16:54:45 <siddharthvipul> now, when are we going to discuss slack XD 16:55:05 <siddharthvipul> jk jk 16:55:25 <nasirhm> So let's do this one by one from the long list 16:55:28 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> urxvt as the terminal emulator? What's the plan, Nasirhm? 16:55:30 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Yeap 16:55:46 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> If you guys have time, we could do pros and cons too 16:56:12 <siddharthvipul> yeah, urxvt is what we landed on iirc 16:56:24 <nasirhm> urxvt is decided for i3-minimal because of it being the default in i3 16:56:42 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Nice 16:56:52 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: is the things we agreed upon being noted somewhere? probably a different section in ideas or a new doc with confirmed list? 16:57:08 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> But shall we go from the top? It'll help me get acquainted on your ideas and philosophy too 16:57:22 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: Would work on the selected ones and add it to another doc after this meeting. 16:57:31 <siddharthvipul> great 16:59:21 <nasirhm> So, let's start with music player for extended ? 16:59:35 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Music players: Quod Libet (quite minimal; standalone packages) GUI 16:59:35 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> ncmpcpp with mpd? 16:59:40 <nasirhm> minimal like Quod Libet, maybe? ncmpcpp with mpd ? 17:00:07 * nasirhm has no experience with these, what do others think ? 17:00:14 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> ncmpcpp fits the aesthetic of an i3 spin. I'd even include it in the minimal 17:00:23 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> What are we using for minimal atm? 17:00:39 <nasirhm> Nothing. 17:00:59 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Nothing, as in undecided, or no music player) 17:01:07 <siddharthvipul> I don't listen to music at all on my system (just realized) 17:01:17 <siddharthvipul> well, I have vlc if that counts 17:01:47 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> I've moved to online services too, but most other spins think that music players fulfill a need? 17:02:05 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> We can always include vlc for video playing 17:02:47 <nasirhm> I don't think VLC is available on the main repo 17:02:55 <siddharthvipul> oh no, vlc has some proprietary codecs 17:03:07 <nasirhm> yep :) 17:03:09 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Oh :( 17:03:10 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: it's not 17:03:48 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> I think we can shelve music players till we all have a chance to try some from dnf search ? 17:03:59 <siddharthvipul> .whoowns mpd 17:04:00 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: Package mpd not found. 17:04:09 <siddharthvipul> .whoowns quod 17:04:09 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: Package quod not found. 17:04:19 <siddharthvipul> hehe, doesn't look so bright :P 17:04:41 <nasirhm> #action addition of Quod Libet & ncmpcpp with mpd on i3-extended brainstorm page. 17:04:47 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: Something that you can package, If you're free. 17:05:29 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: nah, I don't use it.. packaging is easy, maintaining is hard. I will wait on someone who actually uses it (if no one else takes it then for the SIG I can) 17:06:04 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Please also add moc, Noise, Parole, Kaffeine and cmus too Nasirhm 17:06:10 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: Sounds like a good idea, I'm working to package Nix as I'm love with it 17:06:25 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Cool, I used to live Nix.. 17:06:35 <siddharthvipul> you were packaging that other editor, right? 17:06:44 <siddharthvipul> how is that going nasirhm? (just curious) 17:07:03 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: Micro is already packaged in fedora :) 17:07:07 <nasirhm> s/in/for/ 17:07:40 <nasirhm> It's going good especially with the help and mentorship from Defolos It's quite good. 17:07:55 <siddharthvipul> I don't think it was micro that you mentioned.. well nevermind 17:08:05 <siddharthvipul> oh awesome 17:08:06 <nasirhm> I only maintain rover on COPR, as that's what i use :) 17:08:08 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> @Defolos 🍪 17:08:09 <siddharthvipul> glad to hear 17:08:21 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> And great to hear, Nasir! 17:08:30 <nasirhm> So, let's move to video players now ? 17:08:32 <nasirhm> Thanks :) 17:08:48 <defolos[m]1> <fedi3bridgerbot "<buredoRUNofthecyborg> @Defolos "> wasntme? 17:08:50 <siddharthvipul> same thing for video player.. 17:08:52 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Please add the other music players too, Nasir 17:08:59 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> To the master list 17:09:22 <nasirhm> mvp ? 17:09:27 <nasirhm> .whoowns mvp 17:09:28 <zodbot> nasirhm: Package mvp not found. 17:09:32 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Mpv 17:09:47 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> But it's only on rpmfusion iirc 17:10:07 <nasirhm> <fedi3bridgerbot "<buredoRUNofthecyborg> To the ma"> It's a brainstorming page, for now we can add anything if it's FOSS 17:10:25 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Noted! 17:14:58 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Shall we go on to torrent clients? Yay or nay on adding them on the extended spin? 17:16:52 <siddharthvipul> nay 17:17:23 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Aye here 17:17:23 <siddharthvipul> IMO* 17:18:41 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Ofc, implied 17:18:59 <siddharthvipul> we are not trying to keep it like workstation.. we want a minimal version.. and torrent clients are just extras that gnome has as well, extra features.. but since transmission (and I guess also qbittorrent) are already packages in fedora, won't be difficult (if others agree) 17:20:12 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Even on extended? 17:20:26 <siddharthvipul> what do you mean by extended? 17:20:49 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Maybe I'm not on the same page re: the philosophy of the i3-extended spin? 17:21:06 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Nasirhm, please field Sid's question? 17:21:16 <siddharthvipul> :shrugs: 17:21:26 <x3mboy[m]> So, no torrents by default? 17:21:57 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy[m]: that's what I think.. if you all agree, why not ;) 17:22:17 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Even on the extended ISO, x3mboy? 17:22:20 <x3mboy[m]> Well, I don't use torrent that much too care 17:22:26 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Just clarifying... 17:24:40 <nasirhm> mcp is not foss, so ? 17:24:41 <nasirhm> How about dragon player or something like that ? 17:24:48 * nasirhm is back 17:24:58 <nasirhm> There was a problem on my end with Power 17:25:19 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> mcp? 17:25:36 <nasirhm> s/mcp/mvp 17:25:56 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> mpv? It's in rpmfusion, so not FOSS, yeah 17:26:06 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> No worries, Nasirhm 17:26:11 <nasirhm> On torrents, It would be good to have a minimal one, if there's any 17:26:19 <siddharthvipul> well, just because it's not in rpmfusion doesn't mean it's not FOSS 17:26:31 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Dragon Player is kinda big, and needs codecs anyhow 17:27:00 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Re : torrent, maybe rtorrent? Or Fragments (it's in the repos)? 17:27:13 <nasirhm> .whoowns torrent 17:27:14 <zodbot> nasirhm: Package torrent not found. 17:27:27 <nasirhm> .whoowns rtorrent 17:27:28 <zodbot> nasirhm: owner: konradm; admin: dfateyev, verdurin 17:27:30 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> rtorrent 17:27:50 <x3mboy[m]> Even in extended. There are too many clients and in our case people can opt to the client they want 17:27:59 <nasirhm> We're in luck for rtorrent + I have zero to no experience with minimal torrent apps. 17:28:25 <nasirhm> <x3mboy[m] "Even in extended. There are too "> they can do that by `dnf install <package>` :) 17:28:40 <x3mboy[m]> Exactly 17:28:42 <x3mboy[m]> And they will do it 17:28:52 * nasirhm just realized it would be an hour in 2 mins :D 17:29:29 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Forgive me for asking, then what is the point of the extended release? I'd like to understand your philosophy better here 17:29:41 <nasirhm> x3mboy: mail clients and torrents is something, that a i3 user would know how to install (making an assumption about enduser) 17:29:54 <x3mboy[m]> Agree 17:30:12 <x3mboy[m]> And tbh is not a need 17:30:17 <x3mboy[m]> It's a want 17:30:22 <x3mboy[m]> * It's a desire 17:30:34 * siddharthvipul nods 17:31:12 <nasirhm> for i3-extended it's more of all those packages installed, but that's not the focus for us now but to work on the minimal spin. 17:31:16 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> I have to go, I'll be back in a second. Have to feed my pup 17:31:26 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> Please don't stop discussing on my account 17:31:54 <nasirhm> P.S; we're running out of time :) 17:32:17 <x3mboy[m]> I'm not even here 17:32:34 * x3mboy[m] dissapear in a fog curtain 17:32:34 <siddharthvipul> let's wrap it.. i am tired as well 17:32:55 <nasirhm> How about i add these packages on the brainstorm page and add a tag to be discussed, or adding it on a ML or Pagure ticker for ease of input from everyone ? 17:33:00 <nasirhm> What do you guys think ? 17:33:30 <nasirhm> s/ticker/ticket/ 17:33:34 <fedi3bridgerbot> <buredoRUNofthecyborg> That works, Nasir 17:34:19 <nasirhm> #action create a mailing list thread for the packages that are not discusse 17:34:37 <nasirhm> s/discusse/discussed/ 17:35:06 <nasirhm> #topic Final thoughts/Good byes. 17:35:43 <nasirhm> Thank you everyone for joining today and sharing your input and ideas here for us to derive the spin. 17:37:08 <nasirhm> Good Bye guys, ending the meeting. :) 17:37:14 <nasirhm> #endmeeting