16:10:59 #startmeeting Fedora i3 (2020-07-14) 16:10:59 Meeting started Tue Jul 14 16:10:59 2020 UTC. 16:10:59 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:10:59 The chair is nasirhm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:10:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:10:59 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_i3_(2020-07-14)' 16:11:05 #meetingname i3 16:11:05 The meeting name has been set to 'i3' 16:11:13 #topic Agenda 16:11:21 #info (1) Roll call / Introductions 16:11:25 #info (2) Announcements 16:11:32 (3) Progress updations 16:11:48 #info (3) Progress Updations 16:11:57 #info (4) UI Editor 16:12:05 #info (5) Open floor 16:12:21 #topic Roll call / Introductions 16:12:39 .hello2 16:12:39 nasirhm: nasirhm 'Nasir Hussain' 16:13:07 .hello2 16:13:08 defolos: defolos 'Dan Čermák' 16:13:20 .hello2 16:13:36 that only works on irc 16:13:42 @CarlosRFS the irc commands don't work from the Telegram Side, 16:13:44 ahh ok 16:14:02 so i need to do something here or i need to go to irc? 16:14:02 you can type: .hello 16:14:18 .hello 16:14:29 @CarlosRFS : For the discussions here you won't need to be on the IRC side :) 16:14:36 .hello carlosrfs 16:14:37 nasirhm: carlosrfs 'Carlos Raimundo de Freitas Sotero' 16:14:49 ^ here @CarlosRFS :) 16:14:57 carlosrfs 'Carlos Raimundo de Freitas Sotero' 16:15:16 others here ? 16:16:07 in telegram seens to be just me 16:17:18 x3mboy: ? 16:17:50 #char defolos 16:17:53 #chair defolos 16:17:53 Current chairs: defolos nasirhm 16:18:41 Let's proceed with progress updations and let others catch up when they join. :) 16:18:55 #topic Announcements 16:19:35 We've got i3 on live with functional and stable packages 16:20:42 nasirhm++ 16:20:42 defolos: Karma for nasirhm changed to 10 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:20:44 The draft for the change proposal is setup too, We're planning for F33 but we can let it slip for F34 as well: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/i3/SpinChangeProposal_Draft 16:21:16 defolos: Thank You ^^ 16:22:10 So anyone else have got any announcements from Fedora World ? 16:22:24 not really any updates from my side 16:22:43 I'm digging a bit into the way openQA works in Fedora, but haven't made great progress so far 16:23:21 Hmm, We would be needs some test cases for the Spin once we make it stable. 16:23:55 * Hmm, We would be need some test cases for the Spin once we make it stable. 16:24:43 yes, definitely 16:24:53 #topic Progress Updations 16:25:02 I really don't have the time to test stuff manually… 16:25:06 so openqa is a must 16:25:43 OpenQA is indeed a must, but still would require manual testing from us to ensure everything works in harmony 16:26:48 i can use in one of my machines to test 16:26:49 #info On the i3 latest respin, we're facing a GTK race condition error which was reported by x3mboy and is faced by people with SOAS as well. 16:27:40 @CarlosRFS That would be really awesome, I test them on QEMU/KVM and the GTK error was faced on a Baremetal. 16:27:48 i work with Vulkan OpenCV and Qt, so the part of Graphics compute and kernel, xorg and graphics api drivers i can test. 16:27:59 i can try that to 16:29:20 That would be a great help, When we create the kickstart we share it with Respins-Sig and Southern_Gentlem /kk4ewt to build it in the respin. 16:29:49 You can find them at GDrive here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1x70jhY5S18TB6lXPI7QYjDFuWelLm6ov 16:30:36 In the latest respin, our Kickstart had i3 on live and you would have to open urxvt and type liveinst in order to start the anaconda installer. 16:31:17 hm, that sounds like a desktop icon should be added or some other more user friendly way 16:31:23 .hello jbwillia 16:31:24 kk4ewt: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' 16:31:26 or does the live image boot into i3? 16:31:44 Hey kk4ewt o/ 16:31:50 The live image boots into i3 16:33:01 Hmm, that was the case when we were using XFCE on live but wanted to go to a minimal i3. So the last pr was all about cleaning the XFCE thing and thanks for reviewing it and pointing the issues. 16:33:34 a botton in i3 bar to open the installer maybe? 16:33:54 not in i3 bar itself, but we could add it to i3-nagbar 16:34:22 or do it the ghetto-way: write the instructions to the desktop background 😛 16:34:25 Hmm, Interesting. I was thinking to create a custom config for the live and add it in the ks but was thinking about the mod key, what default should we go for ? 16:34:40 alt 16:35:05 nasirhm; i think we leave it as is so people can set their own as it is now 16:35:05 but in firefox we use alt + number to change between tabs 16:35:41 just run the wizard 16:35:48 and folks can change it themselves 16:35:58 Hmm, by creating a universal config on the live we would be able to have the liveinst on Workspace 2 or 1 16:37:59 So people won't have to run liveinst on terminal but it sure does have a tradeoff here that if we go for WIN (I personally use it) and people prefer ALT for it ? 16:38:33 leave as is,is my vote 16:39:19 Hmm, liveinst on terminal. We can add it with a short video or a gif on the docs on how to do it. 16:39:41 What do others think defolos @CarlosRFS ? 16:40:33 pop up a doc on the desktop or wiki page 16:40:51 that's a good idea 16:41:15 should work 16:41:35 can put it on the spin page 16:41:38 To pop up a doc on the desktop, I think it would still require one to modify the i3 config. 16:41:58 yes 16:42:21 That would be a great idea in our case as some people won't know about the $MOD key and read the main 3 bold lines on the docs. 16:43:32 #action let `liveinst` be accessible by urxvt to install. 16:43:37 assume no one reads not even the topic in the channel 16:44:03 nasirhm; that is one thing we havent tested 16:44:27 what happens if liveinst in run in a different terminal 16:44:28 I'd still be in favor of just running the i3 setup once the live image starts 16:44:45 defolos; it does 16:44:52 everytime 16:44:53 That's what we currently have are proceeding with. 16:45:05 > <@defolos:matrix.org> I'd still be in favor of just running the i3 setup once the live image starts 16:45:06 * That's what we currently have and are proceeding with. 16:45:10 so why the discussion about mod? 16:45:43 defolos: It was an idea from my side to ease the launch of liveinst without opening the terminal. 16:46:07 .hello2 16:46:08 x3mboy[m]: Sorry, but you don't exist 16:46:20 .hello x3mboy 16:46:21 x3mboy[m]: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 16:46:25 nasirhm; what other terminals are available 16:46:25 :D 16:46:27 x3mboy: You nick on the matrix side has a [m] attached 16:46:43 kk4ewt: Another way to launch it is to do by dmenu 16:46:59 we can put the live inst to start after the i3 mod menu 16:47:06 isnt something impossible 16:47:12 that can be opened by $MOD+D and typing i3. 16:47:46 * that can be opened by $MOD+D and typing liveinst*. 16:48:00 yeah i know 16:48:01 isnt something impos"> Hmm Interesting 16:48:35 ! 16:48:37 to start automatically like in the original fedora with gnome 16:48:49 The race condition is caused by Intel RST 16:48:50 but after the user choose the mod key 16:48:57 I think we can spend some time on finding a way to launch a program from the KS. 16:49:20 CarlosRFS it doesnt autostart in Workstation 16:49:57 x3mboy: I think that would need some research as in the case of a DE it seems to work fine, Isn't it ? 16:50:22 the last time i boot a workstation iso it start automatially 16:51:19 Sure, but I will try to file a bugzilla if I can reproduce it in workstation 16:51:35 We have 2 spins affected, so probably is worth it 16:51:51 x3mboy[m]; i am already working on that 16:52:03 @CarlosRFS thanks for reminding it, I think launching a program is possible from the ks as it happens with WORK as well, it asks you to select either to use it for live or install. 16:52:09 but can be that i press the return key without see 16:52:26 You're fast! 16:52:56 I have several questions about the current iso 16:52:57 you mean in the boot the user select it right? 16:53:18 We aren't shipping any browser, right? 16:53:22 How about having them on Open Floor ? 16:53:38 Sure 16:53:47 in the ks i remember to see the word firefox but just as suggestion i think 16:54:02 #action kk4ewt filing the GTK error bug on Bugzilla 16:54:44 #topic GUI Editor 16:54:49 x3mboy[m]; i am working with qa to get it filed and fixed 16:54:55 The most awaited topic of the day :D 16:55:31 okay was in the Ideas file 16:56:04 Proposals are: xed, gedit, leafpad, the other one that is called like leafpad but with numbers 16:56:08 Any other? 16:56:31 I recall kk4ewt said pluma 16:57:15 s/said/suggested/ 16:57:25 my opinion: use Fedora's default 16:57:44 defolos: `ed` ? 16:57:55 ed isnt a gui editor 16:58:20 nano 16:58:58 defolos: nano runs on a terminal :D 16:59:27 I don't see a problem in that 17:00:11 neovim 17:00:17 gvim 17:00:31 remember you need to make it for the noobie users to be able to use 17:00:38 ctrl + alt + c X ctrl + c -> battle of legends... 17:00:55 so gedit or some gui editor 17:00:57 305 MB to have qutebrowser!!!!!!!!!! Holly sh$%&/( 17:00:57 kk4ewt: i3 is hardly suitable for newbies 17:01:12 defolos; yes it is 17:01:24 If we are going that way I will propose xed 17:01:26 Good idea 17:01:47 you really hate mouse right? 17:01:53 i3 is the twm for newbies, it doesn't require programming knowledge to configure it 17:02:20 i thought we had to have firefox becasue that is the fedora default but i may be confused 17:02:38 I like firefox too 17:02:40 * nasirhm doesn't have any suggestions on text editor but the candidate should be lightweight and shouldn't have many runtime dependencies 17:02:52 kk4ewt: We can go for firefox 17:02:57 #info 20200721 is due date for the change to be filed 17:03:09 but i dont remember how many dependencies he have, and now firefox 80 have support to VA-API in Xorg too 17:03:11 #chair kk4ewt 17:03:11 Current chairs: defolos kk4ewt nasirhm 17:03:21 #info 20200721 is due date for the change to be filed 17:03:30 so we will put VA-API packages in the iso too? 17:04:05 CarlosRFS if they are in the fedora repos 17:05:10 So, Which GUI text editor are we going for 17:05:24 whatever one you put in 17:06:05 :) 17:06:12 if in 5 minutes we dont choose one i think notepad its the better choice. 17:07:59 I agree with @CarlosRFS here :D 17:08:13 let's have a quick vote as we're running out of time 17:08:54 * defolos votes for nano or pluma 17:09:06 GEDIT 17:09:06 EMACS 17:09:06 XED 17:09:06 NOTEPAD 17:09:06 PLUMA 17:09:07 JUST NANO 17:09:11 nano isnt a gui 17:09:12 choose one people 17:09:18 gedit 17:09:26 * defolos is fine with gedit 17:09:36 we dont need a editor that thinks its a desktop 17:09:54 * nasirhm is good with gedit and pluma 17:09:59 GEDIT 2 votes 17:09:59 EMACS 17:09:59 XED 17:09:59 NOTEPAD 17:09:59 PLUMA 17:10:00 JUST NANO 17:10:11 (edited) GEDIT 3 votes 17:10:11 * x3mboy[m] is good with pluma or xed, and against gedit 17:10:11 EMACS 17:10:12 XED 17:10:12 NOTEPAD 17:10:12 PLUMA 1 vote 17:10:12 JUST NANO 17:10:36 (edited) GEDIT 3 votes 17:10:36 EMACS 17:10:36 XED 1 vote 17:10:36 NOTEPAD 17:10:36 PLUMA 2 votes 17:10:37 JUST NANO 17:12:08 Final Verdict. Pluma or Gedit ? 17:13:08 python3 -c 'from random import choice; print(choice(["pluma", "gedit"]));' 17:13:08 gedit 17:13:11 gedit it is 17:13:14 Gedit its the better idea. 17:13:44 gedit it is then :D 17:14:04 Any objection on gedit ? 17:14:28 its build by the aliens that want to domain or planet 17:14:34 (edited) its build by the aliens that want to domain our planet 17:15:02 we really need more people in this meetings 17:16:03 #action add gedit on the Brainstorm page and in the Spin's ks 17:16:14 Would you like to do it @CarlosRFS ? 17:16:32 nasirhm; need new ks this evening 17:16:38 Well, a package to be removed after installation for me 17:16:43 Not a problem 17:16:46 i am still not sure how to do that 17:17:03 why you dont love gedit? 17:17:38 @CarlosRFS you can fork the i3 repo, in the packages section add gedit or the package name and create the PR 17:18:36 ok 17:18:49 isnt that link right? 17:18:54 'Untitled Image' uploaded by C​arlosRFS: https://i.imgur.com/fyiwnM8.jpg 17:19:09 https://pagure.io/i3-sig/Fedora-i3-Spin/ 17:19:13 the repo in the pagure i already cloned 17:19:42 Yeah, it's the same 17:20:00 You would have to pull it again later today when our latest PR gets merged with i3 on live 17:20:42 feel free to ping me on IRC if you've got any questions :) 17:20:47 firefox was already decided, because it's shipped by default by Fedora 17:20:47 packages session in that file? 17:21:09 @CarlosRFS Packages Section* 17:21:35 what file * 17:21:38 Here's the latest PR: https://pagure.io/i3-sig/Fedora-i3-Spin/pull-request/5#request_diff : 17:22:14 @CarlosRFS how about having a quick chat on IRC after the meeting ? 17:22:43 okay... 17:22:48 here* after the meeting. 17:23:06 Hmm, so firefox is our browser by default 17:23:13 yes 17:23:18 and it's open Floor now 17:23:31 #action add firefox in the ks if not available 17:23:40 #topic Open Floor 17:24:14 x3mboy: You had some questions regarding the spin, kindly share them here. 17:26:08 #chait x3mboy 17:26:14 #chair x3mboy 17:26:14 Current chairs: defolos kk4ewt nasirhm x3mboy 17:26:45 Yes 17:26:50 I know the iso is WIP 17:27:47 So, some decisions to be made 17:27:58 Configuration at start looks great to me 17:28:08 I read you were discussing it 17:28:29 I remember we decided Firefox, as I commented before 17:29:22 There is no graphical network manager 17:29:29 We commented nmapplet 17:30:07 We should cover this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Desktop_test_matrix#Release-blocking_desktops:x86.2F_x86_64 17:30:15 As minimum 17:30:24 Hmm, nm-applet sounds like a good idea to me (personally. I'm more of a fan for nmcli :D) 17:30:54 Some people dont like to deal directly with NetworkManager 17:32:04 @CarlosRFS I agree. 17:32:45 x3mboy: We've got package manager, image viewer, text editor covered from the link you shared 17:33:08 I'm using nmcli, but an indicator it's not bad 17:33:30 add archive manager there, as we've got tar that can be used from cli 17:33:47 tar? 17:34:35 and we don't need a file manager or do we, (Making an assumption here, If i use i3, I think i would know how to use basic commands like cd, cat, etc) 17:34:36 We're kind of based on xfce so the one that sounds like a radio station is good 17:34:48 I'm not going to push my choice of file manager here 17:35:06 ok firefox and gedit added to Brainstorm 17:35:10 x3mboy: We'got no xfce apps on us now :) 17:35:53 CarlosRFS thanks for adding. 17:36:04 What do you think about file manager? 17:36:22 its strange but i use dolphin 17:36:42 or did you want one for cli? 17:36:49 defolos, kk4ewt, CarlosRFS, nasirhm ? 17:37:06 I personally think we don't need a file manager, if I use i3, I would know how to browse for files on cli 17:37:24 * defolos uses pcmanfm 17:37:29 Same on gedit, and we are still shipping it 17:37:33 If we go for a CLI one, I use rover. It's foll. 17:37:42 s/foll/FOSS/ 17:37:55 We are already doing it with GTK, dolphin will pull a lot of qt libs that are heavy 17:38:06 I use vifm 17:38:20 dolphin-- from my side. 17:38:31 yeah, 11 of then 17:38:48 make sure someone is working on the self change request which is due next tuesday bye 17:38:53 I can be a little biased here with rover, as I've that packaged that on COPR: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nasirhm/rover/ :D 17:39:17 kk4ewt: We've got the draft wiki setup which i and jwf are working on :) 17:39:29 kk4ewt: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/i3/SpinChangeProposal_Draft 17:39:56 Ok, so options are: pcmanfm or dolphin? 17:40:15 Thanksfully nobody is asking about nautilus 17:40:41 I'm a -1 for dolphin for the qt libs 17:40:54 caja 17:41:45 Voting time: 17:41:45 pcmanfm or caja ? 17:42:56 i added gedit in i3-extended, i should put above? 17:43:09 * nasirhm thinks we're out of time and I've to take care of some work tasks. 17:43:17 pcmanfm 17:43:32 both 17:43:36 i added gedit in i3-"> We can add the to minimal one. 17:44:09 I don't have any experience with both of them, so no votes from my side :) 17:45:09 Firefox i put in the minimal one cause the life without a browser its sad 17:45:41 @CarlosRFS can you kindly add gedit to i3-minimal as well ? 17:45:46 ok 17:47:05 So, we are good for now 17:47:08 How about discussing about filemanagers and other mentioned cases on the test case wiki for workstation for the next meeting ? 17:47:08 You can close the meeting 17:47:15 Great advance 17:47:40 The HW detection is quite good 17:47:57 I never had to disable the pcspkr by myslef before 17:47:59 :D 17:48:17 #action add a point about the Workstation testcases softwares on the next meeting's agenda 17:48:36 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/i3/Brainstorm 17:48:37 Desktop testcases, not workstation 17:48:45 It applies to everyone 17:48:51 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/i3/SpinChangeProposal_Draft 17:48:59 Gotcha 17:49:09 #action add a point about the Desktop testcases softwares on the next meeting's agenda 17:49:18 .hello2 17:49:20 lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' 17:49:27 Have a Good Day 17:49:33 #endmeeting